The worst part about twitch ads is that, unlike tv, or TRvid, you MISS CONTENT. You're not just getting interrupted, you miss up to 3-4 minutes of context. Imagine watching TV then missing parts of the show, so yu get back from the ad break and dont know wtf is going on.
its picking between the lesser evils that'll make people come to yt. hopefully this will give some sort of incentive for yt to improve their platform, not just for streaming
It always has… shirtless? Banned. anything that could be interpreted as offensive? Banned. The only thing it has over TRvid is more relaxed copyright enforcement. Not enough to make it worthwhile imo
TRvid vs. Twitch is the dumbest competition between rivals ever. It's like watching two ship captains taking turns to poke holes in their own ships, while the rats scurry back and forth based on which one is the least waterlogged.
I'll be real, after watching this video, the part of TRvid's ship containing streams seems dry as a bone compared to Twitch. And considering that almost Twitch's entire ship is about streams, they're definitely the losers on this one
I’ve never seen a company so dedicated to passive aggressively attacking their own customers, just show such open contempt for the people that make them their money.
@Generic Name they already know fans are going to buy new things like new releases-and I’m one of them I already signed my soul away to a nostalgic video game company
Except VODs are nearly unwatchable unless they're reuploaded on youtube. Enjoy gettting spammed with 3 ads in a row, each of them 20 to 30 seconds long, every ten minutes or so? That's Twitch's VODs in a nutshell.
@ballad at least on youtube, there would be a few skippable ad. The new twitch ad is going to be unskippable. Its going to hurt their content creator and their veiwers.
How, youtube is free, very consumer friendly. In 2015 they said youtube doesn't even make profit, It's break-even. They may be profitable today, but they haven't released that information.
@Default User emotes and a more consistent chat (Sometimes YT doesn’t show a streamer/other viewers certain messages and has much worse ping issues). But those aren’t dealbreakers for me- I just wish it was easier to search by livestream category on YT
@Harry Mitchell Thanks. I've seen a few streams on Twitch, but don't have an account and never used the chat. YT I have done a fair amount of chat on a channels' streams and it seemed okay.
We needed this video. I'm a Twitch partner and was only staying for a potential 70/30 split. This announcement was the opposite of what I wanted to hear so I think it's TRvid time :)
I think the 70% up to first 100k is fair then down to 50%. It is very similar to to progressive system of taxes where the more money you make the larger percentage gets taken from you. If you don't agree with the change Twitch is making then maybe you shouldn't agree with the progressive tax scheme either. The only change I think is that everyone should be on 70/30 split at first then go to 60/40 after $50k then 50/50 on everything above $100k.
@Josue Balderas K but how does your employer which benefits the employer solely taking 50% relate to taxes which in theory benefits society as a whole?
@sss Facts. Idk how Twitch taking a 50% split AND pushing more ads to further fill the corporation's pockets with more money is in anyway related to our tax systems. Taxes are taken and put into different things to benefit and help society. I agree w/ you 100% @sss, and I definitely disagree w/ you @Josue. The analogy between twitch revenue, and tax in our modern day society doesn't make sense in this situation whatsoever. Twitch is not helping viewer experience in anyway, especially with this ad agenda. Twitch is just being greedy, and it's gonna backfire due to top streamers leaving.
It's still number 8. Is it really surprising TRvid is going to be fine with promoting criticism of one of the few places that is anything like a rival?
@mathphysicsnerd No like I mean, my trending pages right now are 80% my country, even if they dont have that many views. Thats why I never liked the page because it was always just reality shows from my country which I never watch.
@Dankster Paws Oh of course, Trending was always dogshit, no one I know uses it. My point was just that I don't find it surprising in the slightest TRvid is doing what (likely ineffectual) things it can to keep this video in the spotlight
What YT needs to do in my opinion is: - add a "live now" section on the main page (talking browser currently) where you're shown people who are live and are either people you've subscribed to, or are people streaming similar content to what you watch (YT already has a decent enough algorithm for that) - also they can modify their algorithm to increase discoverability a bit by favoring smaller streamers who are streaming the content the user is interested in (let's say 50% of the recommendations are mid-to-large size streamers and the other 50% are smaller streamers). It would increase discoverability for new people, but also not neglect the larger people - add some kind of indicator when watching someone's videos if that person is live (small banner above the video saying "{user} is currently live! Click here to go to their stream", or an animated button in the video overlay) - improve the overall UI of the streams (could just base it off of Twitch's UI, they can't sue them for having a similar-looking UI as long as it's different enough) Then they can just sit back and watch Twitch die out while their pockets are being filled with all the old revenue Twitch was making + the revenue from new people making it on the platform + the ad revenue from more content being created on the platform. And while YT is far from being perfect in terms of moderating the community, it sure as hell is a lot better than Twitch which is straight-up biased and gives different punishments for the exact same offense to different people, which would just bring them even more interest.
@Rockerguy96 : at least if you look at your "subscriptions" list, any of your subs who are currently streaming are at the top, with a red wavey symbol (I don't know if you use phone, but on PC this is done with just one click of the three lines in the top left).
If Charlie starts streaming on TRvid I'll 100% watch it. I barely even touch Twitch nowadays just because of how inconvenient it is to use the platform
i've stopped watching twitch since 2013 bcos of how laggy their streams get for me on my end so seeing it fall is kinda insane. felt like my 2013 issues were an omen.
It honestly feels like Twitch is trying to punish their streamer base for progressively moving onto YT Live. Like they're taking it personally and letting it ruin their business.
@Alex chavez Agreed, though this shit has basically been around since centralized authoraty came about. It's an inevitable snowball the minute someone corrupt comes into power.
One thing with youtube that I love is that streams are seamlessly integrated into their video "flow". Missed the beginning of the stream? watch 10 minutes behind if you don't care as much about being live, or, rewatch it as a video later, immediately after the stream is done, since it's just a video now
Can we acknowledge how good Charlie is at making analogies. "a man who came home early from work who found his wife cheating on him, i was devastated". How am I supposed to feel this pain tho.... forever lonely
"Twitch chat is better than TRvid chat" Twitch chat is literally just people spamming the exact same things on cooldown across all Twitch channels and flooding the chat with emotes for 5 minutes every time absolutely anything happens. It's a horrible, miserable experience of hundreds of people trying to get noticed by the streamer while simultaneously being part of some hivemind.
that depends more on the channel, not all are like that but yeah most are pretty awful. at least the really big ones. twitch chat is better technically and has more features
@Theodor Dalene TRvid has a slow mode where you can only comment once per minute. If they could actually display a timer that shows how much time you have left instead of saying "you have to wait X more seconds to comment" and it would post them after a minute passes that would be great.
It's interesting to see how hard Twitch is trying to kill all of their business. It's actually insane. Senseless bans, cutting revenue, blatant double standards, it's nuts.
It may well be that people are deliberately doing a poor job to lose the business over poor management rather than taking responsibility for other decisions like if they were to just close the website formally. A gradual decline in quality may be a better option to transition their business partners (e.g. the people they run ads for) to their new or alternate service, rather than saying "we don't want to do this and we fucked up will you still do business with us?". That, and also the obvious money grubbing from the ad and sub revenue splits. It looks a lot like a "take the money and run, just let it fall apart and cut those loses" situation.
This whole sequence of events feels like the twitch version of the mcu time-line where each sequence of events that have barley anything to do with each other but all slide together perfectly to make an extreme climax
With changes like this coming to twitch me and a couple other smaller creators are most likely going to use services like restream in order to build our communities while getting the best of both worlds (large community from twitch that we grew, and the monetization of TRvid)
really hope that the change from twitch to other sites (if it does happen) will be smooth as possible. i've got this bad feeling that it's going to be a massive disaster for everybody involved.
The fact that twitch has relatively popular alternatives is enough to tell me it’ll die one day. The 50/50 split thing is just going to ruin the idea of growing as a streamer on twitch. Twitch will just be the extra option on a simultaneous stream for extra revenue while their TRvid stream is where they want everyone to subscribe and mainly donate there too.
My main issues with youtube are community and chat based. Like specifically, I wish youtube had a "live" tab or section that only pulls up currently streaming live channels so you can find active community spaces
I'm actually impressed by Twitch because i had never seen this amount of controversy in one site, all at the same time, is like they actually found the perfect formula for their demise in a week or two.
I still wish for Twitch to stay at top. Of course with better terms. If we root for them to go bankrupt it will turn TRvid in a monopoly and that will make that platform inevitably go worse over time too since the initiative to be better than their competitors will be gone.
TRvid's player is far far superior than twitch as well. You can instantly seek back forth in the middle of watching a stream, hit the 'live' button anytime to go back. This seems like a very basic feature and it's mind boggling that the #1 streaming platform doesn't have yet. So in case any content was missed due to ads, you can go back, play at 1.5x or so speed, and then you'll be in sync with live soon.
10:30 you point out a great thing here - when ads are organically placed they are an absolute win win in terms of the streamer getting paid but viewers trusting and understanding that they aren't missing anything. And for those who are still annoyed by the ad content itself, they can sub. As it is today though you see ads in most twitch contexts and you feel you are completely missing content which is massively disruptive, degrades the quality of a stream and ultimately increases the bounce rate which probably ultimately does more harm than good in terms of the bottom line growth etc
I personally am kind of glad to hear this. The less people on Twitch there are, the less money gets given to a horrible company like Amazon. It's time that corporations learned that there are consequences to their greed
They need to implement a reward system for viewers to watch ads. Maybe a large sum of channel points or something, most streamers tend to ignore the channel point system so it would also incentivize that
This is wild, its also a big problem for smaller streamers if they consider moving to youtube from twitch since on twitch its allot easier to discover new streamers since you can just browse for them but on youtube you cant do that as easily so that makes discovering them on youtube allot harder if they dont have a massive audience, if youtube can fix that though that would be huge.
In regards to the chat experience, I understand that would be a massive thing in a big stream, but in smaller communities, the emotes and general chat experience doesn't really matter. Chatting on TRvid is perfectly fine, emotes are the only real loss.
Not true. I've interacted with many smaller streamers and guess what? They use emotes and people chat in there too. It's not always about the big guys. Use your brain
@JD1995 I'm not staying they never use emotes I'm more saying it's less an integral part of the culture of a smaller chat because there's more direct communication rather than a swathe of spammed emotes. It's nice to have but not hugely necessary. And there's no need for the toxic "use your brain" comment it's just unnecessary and devalues anything you might say.
Twitch are surely digging a hole for themselves. I'm personally interested in beginning to stream myself and now considering to go to TRvid instead, makes it better for me and for my viewers, who watch long streams regularly.
I tried Twitch streaming for a few months early this year. Streamed twice a day on a daily basis. Games from series such as Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Rune Factory, Tales of series, Mana series, etc. In hundreds of hours streaming, I never had more than 3 or 4 viewers. Maybe got 7 followers in 4 months. I used a high quality mic, camera, stream quality and never had any buffering issues. I used custom made backgrounds for each game. Had a schedule for each stream. Didn't matter. The truth is, there are WAY too many people streaming on Twitch. They're all streaming the same game you are. There's just too much oversaturation. Every single person with a cheap mic and an internet connection is streaming something. Discoverability is terrible also. Streaming on Twitch as a newcomer is like throwing another plastic ball into a ball pit. You're swimming in the streams. Punny but true. TRvid is even worse but in a different way. My YT channel actually started gaining traction a few months ago. I had like 10 subs in one day. Suddenly, they were gone. TRvid sent me an email saying they believed the subs "could" be fake, so they removed them all. They even removed some that I had before that even happened. Four of my friends IRL all had their subs removed. Lol. That's how ridiculous it is. Which leads me to believe that YT has their own people on the platform that they want getting all the subs and views. Anyone who might pose even the smallest threat to the big channels gets shit on by the people in charge of the platform. They'll simply remove your subs and even your videos if necessary, so what's the point? I just said screw it and quit uploading. There's no point. They'll just destroy my channel as soon as I start growing. If you're not one of their guys, you're kinda fucked. Some might read this and get pissed or even laugh but it doesn't change the facts.
I’m not a huge fan of streaming but I am a huge fan of creators getting paid. In no way should the talent who makes money for you should be short handed in the first place.
also something i've noticed and liked about youtube is that with the algorithm that youtube already has i've literally gotten some amazing channels that are live recommended, while in twitch the way you grow in the platform is basically entirely dependant on already having a platform somewhere else (like youtube) that actually lets you have more chances of getting those random viewers coming in
I calculated the numberes they gave in the message. It's basically 1000$/54TB transfered (with pessimistic numbers like everyone watching in 1080p). It really comes down to AWS prices, they are so extremely high for egress traffic that Twitch loses money. Had Twitch not gotten involved with Amazon they could have used any other much cheaper hoster, but I guess Amazon requires them to use AWS and the users and creators have to suffer.
Imagine if you're in the middle of listening to your friend talk about important topic they enjoy to being cut off and having to wait 3 minutes to listen to them again as they continue to talk while you're gone, missing out on everything that's happening.
I was watching a small streamer today, and I noticed the ads were hitting individual viewers at different times. The streamer wanted to wait for the ads to stop, because they had only a few viewers and they were chatting with them. But for like 20 minutes straight a random cluster of viewers would get half a dozen ads, and then when those viewers were back, another portion of the viewers were hit with six 30-second ads. And this kept going for so long. It made it impossible for the streamer to hold a dialogue with their viewers because there were constantly portions of people being pulled from the conversation. I can’t imagine how frustrating it must have been for that streamer getting crippled like that.
I was setting up in my room to stream on Twitch after years of wanting to do it but not being able to do so. Got soundproofing set up, made one or two pictures that I figured I might use as splash cards, was gonna add some more soundproof panels for even better acoustics. And then Twitch pulls this stunt. After all that time waiting and preparing to get into it with all those resources, and then they just turn on a landmine and start jumping up and down on it. Now I have to find somewhere more feasible and lay a new foundation. Thanks a lot, Twitch.
Dude, Twitch was so fun in the 2010s. I have watched so many speedruns on there. The whole experience was unlike any other. And now they want me to watch 80 ads on every new stream I click on. Unbelievable.
No wonder all the big twitch streamers are absolutely losing it. There was obviously a lot of tension festering and I think this plus a few other events has made the platform and all the creators there implode.
It's kind of a guilty pleasure to watch greedy companies collapse because they just take too much. Netflix and Twitch is heading down to that station and i can't wait for them to arrive
I don’t get on twitch that much, but seeing how many vids Charlie has done about Twitch in the last couple days makes me think that Twitch employees avoid hearing any criticism and concerns.
this corporate greed is so bewildering. no one in their right mind would think that a 50/50 split even comes close to being fair. how on earth has twitch deluded themselves into believing that anyone would be okay with this?
It's incredible how effective Twitch is at destroying their own platform. The way it's going, if they tried to nosedive they would probably become the biggest moneymaker owned by Amazon
I for one think this is a great idea. Nothing makes me more satisfied than the 3 separate times I have sat through 14 ads to watch a 240p stream. Right on twitch!
I agree with others who have said this: Amazon is so greedy they could make Walmart blush. It's not surprising that they're taking more money from creators without giving anything in return.
i don't know much about finance, I'm wondering if Amazon is trying to pull off something similar to a vulture fund but with Twitch instead of newspaper orgs
I would honestly like to see a protest of just moving over to TRvid and to stop streaming on twitch but I know how negatively that would affect some streamers.
This is heartbreaking to me man. After this video and the CoryxKenshin recent video it makes me feel like being a new TRvidr or a new twitch streamer is pointless. I am getting close to my life goal of buying my first house and I was going to start my content journey. Just doesn’t feel possible with twitch and TRvid not favoring new creators
Did you play this video and not pay attention? TRvid cares more than twitch does at this point. Stream on TRvid and replay this video because clearly you missed something
You could run as many ads in TRvid as you want but the viewers are able to run back what's been streaming anytime, even pausing if they want if someone knocks at your door. So much better. There's really no way twitch is even close to TRvid. An Year ago I you never understand a streamer moving to TRvid. But today I can't stand the fact people still streaming on twitch. Like I said. Imagine you watching a tournament live and you get stuck at a final level with 4 consecutive ads and miss the whole damn final. That's absolutely madness.
I feel like the only thing keeping Twitch alive is a few neglected features on TRvid, if TRvid realises this and revamps some of those features such as the live chat on streams then Twitch is doomed imo, especially with the mess that parts of twitch con was in along with all the drama they have been in recently
i think the funniest thing about this entire situation is how youtube was going down a bad road with the favoritism and racism stuff, but then twitch decided to 1 up youtube by not only having their staff paid off, but taking money away from creators, allowing someone to get away with getting piped on stream, AND so many big creators being outed as weirdos
They really need to think about the content creators before they make any changes like this. I also feel like Twitch is going to pull an "Onlyfans" and revert the changes after they see how much negative feedback they're getting, then they just gonna be like "On second thought, you can have that back".
The terrifying thing about all of that, is that as soon as Twitch have successfully killed themselves off the streaming space, the lack of competition will absolutely incentivize TRvid to turn to greedier deals. I can guarantee that TRvid will eventually align to Twitch's 50-50 deal, however time that takes.
Exactly, TRvid has no more massive competitors. It’s like getting two giants to fight thinking they’ll just match each other’s strength and moves forever, but eventually one giant falls and the last one standing decides to go for the village next.
The worst part is that because of their idiotic decisions, Twitch is slowly but surely sending all of their best streamers… to TRvid. Which basically encourages _this_ platform to do whatever the hell _it_ wants to do because now where else are their content creators and audiences going to go if they dislike it here?
I tried twitch for the first time about a month ago. I watch the streamer for like idk 5-10 minutes and got hit by 9 ads. I never noped out of a platform faster in my life.
My friend once jokingly said Twitch accidentally hired TRvid spy with the goal to destroy all TRvid's competition, but at this point it might be the actual reality
nah.. there's no Accident; it's just someone on the high tower not understanding what games are about; and trying to figure just how to squeeze us dry. they lose more then they gain with twitch, but it's fucking amazon. they make so much, yet they clearly wanna save a penny then use a dime to save something.
I’m gonna be honest as someone who doesn’t really watch streams or know how twitch works if creators I watch started streaming on TRvid I’d actually tune in to their lives
Honestly these twitch streamers need to just move on to youtube even tho it might not be as great as a streamering service right. you get exactly what you put up with, cause if you stay that just shows that twitch can get away with it which will probably lead to youtube changing there cut also down the line. people need to stop just putting up with these companies and their decisions and vote with their money, support and make them compete again, instead of just hoping it gets better.
I am just really craving for one of these companies to go on an Armstrong rant, where they finally admit that they don’t give a crap about any of us, and they’re only doing what they do for money and power.
Another plus about TRvid streaming that I do not see people talk about nearly enough is the ability to rewind the ENTIRE stream. If you join late, you can start at the beginning without live chat like a VOD, but don't have to wait until the end of the stream. You can also rewatch parts without the need for clips, and if you tuned in to just see a certain part, not having to worry about missing it.
This is the main reason I never bothered with Twitch. I assume the reason for Twitch being the way it is is something along the lines of it being cheaper for them to not hold onto that data, but I literally cannot catch a live stream of the people I care to watch, let alone in full. My work schedule doesn't sync well to ANYTHING. XD Also, last time I bothered with Twitch, the highlights were straight garbage. A literal clusterfuck that I don't know how anyone thought it was a good idea or bothered with it at all.
@TaoScribble And when the stars align and you can watch a stream from the beginning, you get 4 unskipable 30 second ads in a row and u miss the whole context of the stream 💀
Honestly Twitch is handing TRvid the #1 streaming service title at this point, like they are literally doing everything in their power to make people want to leave. It's crazy
Agreed on pre-roll ads hurting discoverability. i stopped checking out new streamers once they added pre-roll ads because i dont want to sit through ads, find out the stream isnt really for me, and then sit through ads for hte next stream. At least i did at first, now that i have a new super secret method of blocking twitch ads i have a lot more freedom on what channels to check out.
that fact that they even think 50/50 is fair is beyond me, the streamers are the ones doing the work they just sit back and relax while they have money sinking in to the twitch employees
Unfortunately this is not a problem Twitch cant come back from. I wonder if Google had any say in this to be honest. There could be deals going on in the background that are in disguise of bad decision making. The reasons Twitch gave us truly do not make sense, so who will actually be benefiting from this? I say this is something Twitch can come back from because they already know what needs to happen in order to right this wrong, and we all know if they made those changes everyone would be happy again. But before that happens, TRvid is going to see a massive increase in their streamers views. Companies will be wanting to pay TRvid more for their ads as well. When you are too big to fail, you can make these plays. Entire teams of people for both companies have already predicted all of this and its working perfectly in their favor.
They can't give everyone a 70/30 split, how will they pay their top-notch creator support team? I mean, these boys have to spend literally all day ignoring wrongful unban requests WHILE ALSO spinning a little wheel in the office that gives an completely arbitrary number of days for each ban. We're all in this together, Charlie.
Twitch loses money hosting the website anyway, it doesn't seem that greedy when you think of it that way. And everyone already knows about google loses millions on youtube.
Twitch is ultimately only usable for watching streams when you’re subscribed, and when there’s so much good content out there it becomes difficult to sub to all. Overall I prefer TRvid streams, especially with student priced premium. TRvid has its faults, but I think with some more consideration it could be a great streaming platform. Updates to the chat function and possibly a dedicated streaming tab would improve by miles, and give even better competition. It just goes to show how Amazon’s greed carries over to all of its sub-companies.
