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The Man in the White Suit - ve42.co/Suit
London, B. (1932). Ending the depression through planned obsolescence. - ve42.co/London32
Slade, G. (2009). Made to break: Technology and obsolescence in America. Harvard University Press - ve42.co/madetobreak
Krajewski, M. (2014). The great lightbulb conspiracy. IEEE spectrum, 51(10), 56-61. - ve42.co/Phoebus
Planet Money, The Phoebus Cartel - ve42.co/PMobs
The Light Bulb Conspiracy - • The Light Bulb Conspiracy
Special thanks to Patreon supporters: Mac Malkawi, Oleksii Leonov, Michael Schneider, Jim Osmun, Tyson McDowell, Ludovic Robillard, jim buckmaster, fanime96, Juan Benet, Ruslan Khroma, Robert Blum, Richard Sundvall, Lee Redden, Vincent, Lyvann Ferrusca, Alfred Wallace, Arjun Chakroborty, Joar Wandborg, Clayton Greenwell, Pindex, Michael Krugman, Cy 'kkm' K'Nelson, Sam Lutfi, Ron Neal
Written by Derek Muller and Petr Lebedev
Animation by Ivy Tello
Filmed by Derek Muller and Raquel Nuno
Edited by Derek Muller
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Music by Jonny Hyman and from epidemicsound.com"Aquatic Planet", "Rhythm of Dreams", "Tread Lightly", "Unexpected Visitors", "Curved Mirrors" "Drunken Lullaby" "Fluorescent Lights"
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25 Mar 2021




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Louis Rossmann
Louis Rossmann 2 yıl önce
8.5 million people watch you, and you planted a seed today in their mind about right to repair. Thank you.
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Yooo the og
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I expected you here
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I knew you’d like this
HopeisAnger 7 aylar önce
My physics teacher said, "Planned obsolescence isn't a problem, we have recycling now." I hope college is less idiotic than high school.
quilibrium 6 aylar önce
Spoiler alert, it is not.
herman 6 aylar önce
@quilibrium depends on your teachers and school.
Will Thomsen
Will Thomsen 5 aylar önce
The idiocy gets worse if anything as you move along. Everyone just gets more and more dug into their opinions and sides and parties. Less and less tolerant of new ideas and more convinced of their own views
Tina 5 aylar önce
You are about to the sorely disappointed. I'm 29 and my real education didn't start until after college and I had to teach myself. As a matter of fact I didn't actually get my life together until I realized that virtually everything I learned in college was bs, not designed to educate me, but instead designed to turn me into a tool for international mega-corporations. So many of my old friends never figured out how many lies they were told, their entire lives were ruined, half are no longer with us, the other half live in poverty & misery. College is not what it is advertised to be, it's not what it was 20 years ago, today it is an illusion and a WEAPON...
Niko Leven
Niko Leven 5 aylar önce
as per my experience, professors are much less idiotic than high school teachers, because they actually know what they're doing. (Obviously this is just my experience, so it won't apply to all professors.
j77mes 5 aylar önce
This is one of the most important videos you've made Derek. The physical and chemical waste of disposable or intentionally short-lived items is one of the greatest ecological and economic challenges of our time
Dorian Anreiter
Dorian Anreiter Aylar önce
this video is daft. long lasting bulbs were a dreadful idea. short lasting bulbs were an advantage to everyone. they cost less to run and made more light. bulbs cost pennies and are a disposable good, making them last longer at the cost of using far more power is asinine.
Charles Courtwright
Charles Courtwright 17 gün önce
You obvoisly didnt finish the video, modern bulbs last 10k+ hrs, are qay brighter and use a fraction of the energy to power, what is cheaper, 10 bulbs that last 1k hrs or 1 bulb that lasts 10k? The 1k hr bulbs will take more man hours to make and cost more to ship for the same lifespan
Spencer Lukay
Spencer Lukay 5 aylar önce
This gets even more nefarious when you think about how a handful of large companies have monopolized their influence across the majority of companies.
ippan pedrozo
ippan pedrozo 3 aylar önce
yup, just apply this video's concept to farming, food, clothing, and housing: we (specifically mostly just US companies) throw away perfectly edible food, of which could be given away for free and feed literally the entire world population. companies actually hire police to guard their dumpsters overflowing with food, and pour bleach all over the dumpsters so that anyone desperate enough to dig through trash would get poisoned. companies throw away and destroy excess/buy up second hand brand clothes so that their brand's clothing supply stays artificially low to drive inflated prices. there are enough empty housing and space to house every single human on earth, yet companies would rather a paying customer buy houses than save the lives of human beings trying to survive against the outside elements. capitalism with it's infinite growth model is illogical and evil. this video should be proof enough that the myth "capitalism breeds innovation" is just a myth.
David Ryall
David Ryall 2 aylar önce
@ippan pedrozo apply it to pharma too. 5 boosters later and annual boosters on the horizon. Nothing will be cured while subscription services are more profitable
Harmony Petersen
Harmony Petersen Aylar önce
We need small little companies to spring up and start threatening them.
James Dinius
James Dinius 21 gün önce
​​@ippan pedrozoYou had a good point, until you went into the housing issue. The food and clothing issues are deplorable, but complaining that builders don't give away the houses they built, spending their money on building materials, construction workers, permitting and inspections is just idiotic. That's not remotely comparable to poisoning waste food you can no longer sell or destroying second hand clothing. Building a home is a massive investment, and if you require builders to operate as a charity, giving away their hard work, guess what happens?HARDLY ANYONE ONE WOULD EVER BUILD A HOUSE! Do you expect Habitat for Humanity to pick up the slack if you drive every single for-profit builder out of business? Oh wait, they can't. You've also driven the lumberyards and quarries out of business by destroying their main customers.
Reed Lheureux
Reed Lheureux 9 aylar önce
Even LED bulbs have planned obsolescence. To achieve a certain luminosity, nearly all bulbs use a single diode wired with a higher voltage than what it is rated for. This significantly reduces the lifespan and the energy efficiency of the bulb because the diode gives off lots of heat. Manufacturers could easily use several diodes under a lower voltage to achieve the same luminosity while consuming a fraction of the energy and allowing the bulb to last several times longer. Dubai is the only place in the world that regulates the efficiency of LED bulbs, and hence is the only country in the world that sells energy efficient LED bulbs.
Acme Fixer
Acme Fixer 8 aylar önce
@Reed Lheureaux Said, "...nearly all [LED] bulbs use a single [LED] diode wired with a higher voltage than what it is rated for." That's nonsense. Anyone can look into a LED light bulb and see there are more than a single [LED] diode. They typically have 24 or more LEDs. And if you knew anything about diodes and LEDs you would know that the voltage changes very little; it's the higher current and consequently higher power that shortens the LEDs' lives. But what really shortens their life is higher temperatures caused by being in enclosures that have poor ventilation.
MrJimbaflonix 7 aylar önce
I replaced all my bulbs at home with LED's and have had to replace a bunch already and it has been about 4 years. Some of the bulbs are in low use areas that are barely used
Acme Fixer
Acme Fixer 7 aylar önce
@MrJimbaflonix Be wary of LED lights that are on sale. Some stores find that they're getting a lot of returns of defective lights, so they get rid of them by selling them heavily discounted. I've bought LED lights back when they were $20 each, and they're all working just fine. They were mostly Philips brand.
Zach Samay
Zach Samay 7 aylar önce
@Acme Fixer I've noticed that. It seems that with LED products, you get what you pay for.
Acme Fixer
Acme Fixer 7 aylar önce
@Zach Samay For a period of a few years, the Southern California Edison company was giving an automatic rebate for LED lights, cutting their prices substantially. This cut electricity use substantially, too. I believe they stopped that years ago. Now the LED lights are made much cheaper, and one corner that is cut is the metal to dissipate heat. So if the light is kept cool it should last. But most light fixtures were made for hot incandescent lights and the fixtures had no ventilation. If there were a few vent holes to allow heat to escape, the LED lights would last longer.
Sergeant Extreme
Sergeant Extreme 6 aylar önce
Fun fact: The Centennial Bulb isn't even the only Shelby Electric Co lightbulb still in existence. It's just the oldest (and therefore most famous) one. There are actually 26 lightbulbs that were made by Shelby Electric prior to 1914 that still function even to this day.
HyperVectra Aylar önce
@Dorian Anreiter I agree. Would love to know how efficient that bulb is for that pitiful 0.1 candela amount of light
Be Smart
Be Smart 2 yıl önce
On the other hand, TRvid is filled with lots of unplanned obsolescence
Dyslexic Mitochondria
Haha yep
Mattea renzi
Mattea renzi 2 yıl önce
​@Dyslexic Mitochondria OMG Hi! I watch your channeI. Absolutely love your videos bro. U made me fall in love with science haha
Ford 2 yıl önce
Abhay Kashyap
Abhay Kashyap 2 yıl önce
Yeah! I love your videos too
Some Species
Some Species 2 yıl önce
Literally everything now is filled with lots of unplanned obsolescence
Derek Kerton
Derek Kerton Yıl önce
I went full LED early about 10 years ago, and as you said, didn't expect to ever have to change them. But I have had to change some bulbs out twice already. And some of these were name brands (Philips, CREE), and other cheap brands performed about equally well. I suspect there's some planned obsolescence in LED bulbs, too. Regardless, their low power consumption and cooler temps make them great, but I wish they lasted longer.
Hachiro 10 aylar önce
From taking a few apart that died on us, I've noticed that it's almost always the power supply that died. (The part that converts 120 volts AC to 12 volts DC.) Usually a capacitor was bulging. A couple of cent part, that probably could be replaced if I didn't have to destroy the bulb housing to get to it.
JustARandomHorse 666
JustARandomHorse 666 9 aylar önce
They're overvolting the LEDs, you can use a light fixture that excepts more bulbs then you need and run them at low power.
Khorinis 7 aylar önce
None of my LED lights last more than a year. Some of them die out in around 6 months.
Rainer Büsching
Rainer Büsching 7 aylar önce
LED lights don't work for the 30'000 hrs as advertised - me found out, too.
Rainer Büsching
Rainer Büsching 7 aylar önce
exactly my finding
itptires 3 aylar önce
As an engineer this is why its frustrating when people talk about how dumb the engineers are for designing this the way they did etc.... my response is always to the effect of the engineers can design just about anything to work well and last forever but corporate/ management wouldn't want it
EskiMosher \m/
EskiMosher \m/ Aylar önce
Technology Connections recently made a great video about this topic (specifically about lightbulbs and the phoebus kartell). There were very good and economical reasons to make a bulb last for only 1000h, evan as a customer. Shorter lived bulbs are way brighter or use less power(depending on the wattage). And with how cheap a lightbulb were compared to the increased power a long lived bulbs used it was just cheaper for customers to change them more often. Planned obsolescence sadly still exist, but the whole lightbulb conspiracy is kinda bs.
Backon Lazer
Backon Lazer Yıl önce
I've had to change plenty of LED bulbs. Planned obsolescence is as strong as ever.
Rainer Büsching
Rainer Büsching 7 aylar önce
jep, same here. I dunno why they make that stupid "lasts 30'000hrs" advertisement!
you dont know what luxury you have
buy better LED bulbs...
33moneyball 2 aylar önce
They’re way too bright…inhuman
Norneda 2 aylar önce
You are probably buying shitty ones then and the power regulation circuits fail on you. I have never changed one in my life (other than for changing the specific color to a warmer or colder white) in 15 years.
Owen Bubar
Owen Bubar Aylar önce
Same. The brighter more expensive the quicker they die. Several 150w equivalent lasted < 3 months in the kitchen overhead. However, I've 100w incandescent bulbs in the living room that are from the 1980s and still going strong.
CherryVision_VFX 11 aylar önce
I always had this conspiracy in my head for a long time, at least relating to phones. Thinking they made the software efficiency degrade on purpose. Only just learned the term for it today
Jellyf0x 2 yıl önce
The thing I hate most about planned obsolescence is that it assumes we have endless resources. It's terrible for our planet.
New Yorth Times
New Yorth Times 2 yıl önce
Sidemen AFTV Clips & More ehh, 3d printing still uses "resources."
King Hassy
King Hassy 2 yıl önce
Its the same with fashion, cloths used to last much longer, now its more profitable to sell seasonal wear that has to be replaced every 3 months
FatHamstar 2 yıl önce
Completely agree and the exact same applies to capitalism
Chris 2 yıl önce
Sidemen AFTV Clips & More I didn't know you could 3d print all the elements in electronics like gold colbalt and phosphorous lmao.
Eat My Shorts
Eat My Shorts 2 yıl önce
True and how often do we can upgrade our electronics? So much, e-waste is created..
7Blau7 Yıl önce
Wow. I had this in my playlist forever. The IPhone 14 came out yesterday. The video is soooo well Made, informative and entertaining. I am a lawyer specialising in competition, yet i have never heard about the lightbulb-cartell before. What an inspiring story on competition law.
Ashish Ahuja
Ashish Ahuja 9 aylar önce
When I was a kid and went for shopping with my parents, I often heard the shopkeeper/seller convince us to buy a product by telling us in Hindi language "dada le pota barte" (written in Hindi as "दादा ले पोता बरते"). It translates to "grandfather buys , grandson uses" and means that product is of such a good quality that it would last three human generations: grandfather, father, and grandson. High quality used to be a competitive advantage to drive sales back then. Now high quality cannibalizes the sales of a product. Capitalism, consumerism, and greed rock*! :) *sarcasm
Heisenberg🥸 8 aylar önce
अब तो दादा भी ठीक से बरतने नहीं पा रहा 😅
Justin James
Justin James 8 aylar önce
That is the difference between a local mom and pop business and a multinational corporation. The mom and pop business doesn't have to worry about creating a product that lasts forever because they are such a small fraction of the overall market. There will always be new customers for their product. When they are a producer and have a large share of the market, if they create a product that lasts generations they will cannibalize their business.. The answer is strong anti-trust laws (anti-cartel laws) and protections against monopolies..
Astrid 7 aylar önce
@Justin James Yeah, anti-captialist laws tend to fix capitalism. Crazy
James Cheddar
James Cheddar 7 aylar önce
@Justin James I'm a libertarian so I think any regulations should be in the name of making it equally free for everyone. One thing I was thinking a few years back was that it should be that you're only allowed to own land you live or work on. So rather than having CEOs who make most of the companies money and haven't even set foot in half the locations the one guy who owns each location will have to keep it successful because there is no CEO to throw them a lifeline
Jerome M
Jerome M 15 gün önce
Planned obsolescence is quite depressing, but always good to keep in mind. Thanks a lot for this video ! 🙏
ctbrahmstedt 2 aylar önce
This video oversimplifies the Phoebus Cartel's actions. Incandescent bulb longevity inversely affects efficiency. Longer-lasting bulbs are dimmer and need higher wattage for the same brightness, which costs more in energy. Back then, it was cheaper to replace shorter lifespan bulbs than to bear the energy cost of long-life ones. The Cartel also standardized bulbs, making any brand's product similar, and removing manufacturer advantages. Granted, it did reduce competitive advantage to innovate and make more efficient bulbs, but that’s not the argument here. Technology connections just released a great video on this, I recommend checking it out.
FatGuy 2 aylar önce
I just watched it, I knew something was off and there had to be some kind of energy savings aspect of it, beefing up the inside of the bulb would just take more energy to get it to a certain temperature and im sure they cared about saving energy since i think thats the whole reason they started day light savings like a hundred years ago
Andrew Lam
Andrew Lam 2 aylar önce
I was looking for this comment, watched Tech Connections video on it as well as I thought Alec would say the exact same thing as the veritassium video. Pleasantly surprised.
Well, what is more reasonable: Phoebus wanted to save energy, or Phoebus wanted to make a bit more money. Don't underestimates the droping sales and the preasure to grow & shareholder value. It sound like propaganda. BTW: we do have another cartel with the toner / printer ink and also the pharma industry. Guess what? It needs to be so expensive, because else we can afford more research. Well, that why you make so much profit? Why don't you reinvest that ... oh, never mind.
fufun4me 23 gün önce
​@CivilianApplicationsthay argument doesnt work here, because those bulb companies were also the power companies. It was in their best interest to push bulbs that lasted forever and took a ton to power, so they could sell that power. The opposite happened for the sake of efficiency. This vid is probably the worst work veritassium ever put out.
Justin Schwerdtfeger
Justin Schwerdtfeger 19 gün önce
Thank you so much for this. When I watched Technology Connections video, I thought about this one. Planned obsolescence is absolutely an issue in countless products today, just Technology Connections says, but this just isn't a very good example.
Somniad 2 aylar önce
(Hopefully you aren't inundated with this kind of comment right now) It would probably mean a lot to a lot of people if you issued a partial retraction on this video or something like that; personally, I would be very interested in a breakdown of exactly *how* you got the light bulb part so wrong - what errors in your process could have caused it. Such information would, at the least, be of great value to me. Knowing how smart people still manage to make significant factual errors helps to avoid them in the future.
xVDRx 24 gün önce
Sources for him being wrong?
James64 20 gün önce
@xVDRx to put it very briefly longer lasting bulbs have thicker filaments which need more power to reach the same brightness' so if a 60w bulb is about as bright as a 100w that lasts considerably longer, you would likely save money in the long term using a bulb that uses less power since incandescent light bulbs were dirt cheap, the channel technology connections has a video that goes into great detail. edit: i just checked and apparently in 1945, 1 light bulb cost around 10 cents.
Painless kun
Painless kun 6 gün önce
@James64 & @somniad thanks for such a valuable piece of information on why we use these light bulbs, as cheap they are and replacing LEDs (now) would be cheaper than paying thousands in bills for higher energy costs. This piece of info should be brought to light.... (get that inbuilt joke)
NightHawkInLight 2 yıl önce
Great video! As a carbon filament lightbulb enthusiast I'm glad you didn't hold out the centennial bulb as an example of long life in and of itself, as the limited power supply is certainly the main factor. The only flaw in this video (in my opinion) is the led bulb being held out as finally being everlasting. If anything, planned obsolescence is more at work in led bulbs than ever. Sure, the leds themselves last, but the components in the base of the bulb which supply the leds with dc power are absolutely not made to last (edit: Actually I should qualify that statement, because I don't know about all manufacturers. There could be some good ones.). You could make your own led bulb that would last far longer than those sold off the shelf.
Sascha Broich
Sascha Broich 2 yıl önce
Using the cheapest parts that fulfill the requirements saves a lot of money when mass producing. So a no-brainer for maximizing profit. Shorter lifespan is a welcome side effect.
NightHawkInLight 2 yıl önce
@Sascha Broich That's the trouble. You can rarely prove planned obsolescence because an equal excuse could be that the manufacturer just cheaps out on quality. In this case using quality parts would equate to only a few cents more per bulb, so the scale seems to lean one direction rather strongly, though there's some weight on both sides.
Ken Yost
Ken Yost 2 yıl önce
@Sascha Broich If efficiency is what we are after, running more LEDs at lower voltage is where it is at. But of course manufacturers will never go for that.
Sascha Broich
Sascha Broich 2 yıl önce
@Ken Yost Cost efficiency for the producer means cheapest parts while advertising "maximum output". More light for the Watt sells.
gre 2 yıl önce
Check out the special bulbs the Saudi's ordered from Philips/Osram if you want to know what a real long life led bulb looks like. Cant buy 'em here.. surprise!
Michelle Doll
Michelle Doll Yıl önce
This is why I sew my own clothes in Classic styles. Skirts, shorts and shirts can be "updated" with the addition of a couple of inexpensive accessories. Even a nice scarf can be made from a bit of silk and some dye & a few beads. It's not hard to keep a nice wardrobe like this. And it looks better, especially if you don't have an "off-the-rack" body. It can be expensive to buy fabric, so it's a good idea to start small. Make 1 item per season, and build on a basic 3 skirt, 3 pants, 6 shirt, 2 jacket wardrobe base. Even if you never get past the "easy" stage, it's a fun hobby. Here's to Planned Forever clothes!
Tamia Jackson
Tamia Jackson 11 aylar önce
I'm with you on this...! I'm learning to sew right now
Tru Dough
Tru Dough 10 aylar önce
JustARandomHorse 666
JustARandomHorse 666 9 aylar önce
"Skirts, shorts and shirts can be "updated" with the addition of a couple of inexpensive accessories." Everything could be updated this way if products were designed properly. It would be amazing if people who wanted to have up to date style could just buy a new cover to swap the old ones with and clothing was designed with a similar thing in mind. What would be even better would be if keeping up with trends wasn't turned into a societal standard and people who didn't keep up with the latest trends weren't bullied then monetised on social media for wearing something that's out of fashion or just being them self. I'm starting to get into making my own cloths on my 1910 treadle sewing machine without touching a single piece of plastic and the last winter coat I'll ever need unless something awful happens is on my list of things to make.
EmmaAppleBerry 7 aylar önce
If you make 8 chemises at least 3 everyday dresses 8 aprons to wear over the dresses this preventing your body and the outside world from dirtying the dress and then you make 2 nice/church dresses sunday best etc so one thats maybe shorter sleeved summer material and one thats long sleeved winter material. With this and if you wish a corset sockings/socks and a leather bag gloves shoes youll really only need to do minor repairs and replace the chemise/apron about once a year but all that worn cotton can be used for rags or quilt padding and of course the quilt covering can be the offcuts of sewing the everyday dresses etc and frankly if youre smart youll have very few offcuts or waste with fabric and instead will just use the worn soft and too thin for clothing use and frankly worn in fabrics are way softer perfect for bedding and rags and quicker to dry AND youll be getting far more life out of the product than if you had continued using it as clothing so its not a waste but actually you gain from recyling old clothes. People always need manchester (quilts sheets pillows table cloths curtains) cleaning rags and hygiene products (nappies pads ribbons patches for clothes) so basically you can neber have enough of these handmade high quality often takes a long time to make and aquire the materials so its done over time as the material is gained like children growing out of clothes that are too weak to mend and hand down etc. So really i wish society had stopped at that point. Where everything could last a lifetime or more and be easily repaired and there was little to no waste at all.
Jonathan Ryu
Jonathan Ryu 13 gün önce
Yes, I definitely remember this from economic class back in high school...planned obsolescence. Thus, I take apart all my electronics if something was wrong and my engineering background helps.
R251400 8 aylar önce
Planned obsolescence - the perfect way to create BS jobs & damage the environment.
Exhumatu 9 aylar önce
Seen thousands of videos here but none with this impact. I've created subtitles first time in my life only to show this movie to family. Love you! I'm not going into details, but you changed my life with this video.
elakstein 7 aylar önce
Later on when you have time, please do share how it changed your life.
Alonso B
Alonso B 5 aylar önce
How come little bro?
Jacob Bell
Jacob Bell Aylar önce
Thank you for bringing this to peoples attention. The poor are a huge victim of this greed.
JerryRigEverything 2 yıl önce
Great video. Thank you for bringing attention to this.
Lewin 2 yıl önce
I love your voice
Moid Hassan
Moid Hassan 2 yıl önce
wow, what a crossover
Jcorpz77 2 yıl önce
Slow Hand
Slow Hand 2 yıl önce
sudah malam
Aha 2 yıl önce
Here before this comment blows up
Jaime N. Christley
Jaime N. Christley 3 aylar önce
Incidentally, THE MAN IN THE WHITE SUIT is a terrific film, one of the very best of 1951. Apart from the conceit about the indestructible textile, it's a great film about labor and class relations. The director was Alexander Mackendrick, whom many reading this will know from going on to direct THE LADYKILLERS and SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS. The "I kid you not" remark about its Best Screenplay nomination, not sure who that was intended for....
Jo Brown
Jo Brown Yıl önce
I believe that making something as best as we can so that way it lasts forever and we don't have to continuously replace it would be the more ideal approach because then you wouldn't be wasting all the material and all the hard work and time and effort put into obtaining these materials from wherever they're source by just throwing them away or discarding them to have them wind up in oceans or landfills or the ditch on the side of the road. make things to last so we don't have to waste and want, cuz eventually we won't have it in order to make the things that we waste and want ,but the reason we don't is more than likely in my opinion anyway the reason why we "don't" for a lot of things, because money beats all
Painless kun
Painless kun 6 gün önce
Ofc with your statement, but I feel that as technology evolves, we will just have to throw away a perfectly fine product, as it is outdated and newer and better products are in line. What I do understand is that people (Mostly these big production companies) don't want to replace their already placed and working industrial sites, factories and machines, however reusing it for some other product also works, Just that big heads want to make easy money without having to replace their Industries. However, with more upgrades to products, and their hardware, comes upgrades to machines making them, Storages storing them, and More Industrial sites being made. So I don't understand why these big headmasters of their companies don't just try to make a lasting product already, and have a option to recycle old products. It will be cheaper (In a way, cheaper than making new industrial sites for same product) and work towards a equilibrium. (Just my Opinions, I don't have most knowledge about these sectors of Industries, feel free to correct me.) I will make a comment with this reply to @jobrown3008
Octo 9 aylar önce
The issue of planned obsolescence is compound. You addressed the obvious technological side and some of the cultural one, but didn't touch the social implications of it today. I think a lot of people wouldn't be so driven to update their electronics and cars and clothes if it weren't for the culture of consumerism and judgment of their social peer group if they fail to do so. Sure, you can be reductive and try to say that people only want the new shiny thing because "it's a new color" and it appeals to their surface vanity, but I think it's a lot more than that. It's the fact that there is a stigma around being the one in the office with the oldest phone, or going out for drinks with your friends in the least trendy clothing. Even if YOU like the older thing, or at the very least don't have a personal desire to update it in a vacuum, you'll find that the outside pressure of wanting to 'keep up' can change that fairly quickly. I think that's also starting to change a little. An interest in vintage clothing and vintage machines, a renewed excitement about "homesteading" and "cottagecore" ideals (even surface level as they can be), along with a growing frustration in modern technology not delivering on promises made is converging into a population that's rejecting the idea that there's something wrong with having an older phone, dressing in an older style, or choosing to do things a simpler way. Eventually, that will not be a preference but rather a necessity. Between climate change, resource scarcity, stagnating incomes, and disasters like Covid 19, we're going to see less and less "keeping up with the Jones'" type of behavior simply because it can't be accomplished anymore. The rising cost of food and other basic goods necessarily means that spending on non-basic goods will have to go down, if wages don't rise. We're already seeing a huge squeeze on things like canning equipment, goods for growing your own food, sewing equipment and supplies, etc. Things that normal people can do to "go back to the old ways". At least in some respects.
Ultra 9 aylar önce
Good read, and pretty much inevitable too, since companies want to cut costs and gouge prices so much.
Octo 8 aylar önce
Zaydan Alfariz Yes! Almost all historical dress is coming back into fashion, with people wanting to make or have clothes made for them in historical styles. It's a good thing, if we can support it and make good quality things.
Octo 8 aylar önce
Zaydan Alfariz Yes! I also like Bernadette Banner, Angela Walters, and Abby Wilcox.
Ryan Taylor
Ryan Taylor 2 aylar önce
I've been following the right to repair movement for a few years now and the attention it's been getting has been great, there's been some decent wins for the fight recently. I hope that this video encourages you to do research and avoid products where the manufacturer put R&D money into making sure you get screwed 2 years after purchase
A G 2 yıl önce
As an electrical engineer, I can assure you... We are literally educated in school about how to design for the desired failure timeframe. It seems criminal
ToroMoto 2 yıl önce
Any more info on this? So you remember the textbook or course code? I'd love to do some more reading on this
miguelonas 2 yıl önce
@ToroMoto I would like to read more on this too.
MrSearaphim 2 yıl önce
Guess I'm lucky my teachers were vividly against this.
instagib783 2 yıl önce
@ToroMoto @miguelonas Start with the phrase 'Mean Time to Failure' or MTTF and go from there. IMO, the concept itself isn't nefarious but it can be used that way.
Growzy101 2 yıl önce
It is unmoral and seed of corrupt. Humans don't deserve anything less than an a asteroid wipe.
Sneha Bag
Sneha Bag 25 gün önce
Pretty knowledgeable and significant video it is! Thank you Veritasium 💜❤️
Zach Yıl önce
This video is a fascinating exposé on a widely suspected but until now difficult to prove phenomenon -- planned obsolescence. A very sneaky tactic And a very well produced documentary. Thank you.
Josh Bippert
Josh Bippert 7 aylar önce
A friend of my parents once invented a device that screws into the lightbulb socket before the bulb that acted like a surge protector for incandescent bulbs. This dramatically increased the lifespan of the bulbs in his house to the point where he never had to replace the bulbs. GE learned about it when he tried to patent it and got the device patented before he could. This device has since been buried
Caveman Hikes
Caveman Hikes 6 aylar önce
Interesting. Surge protectors do exist and they do work but yeah not the convenient kind that screws in with the light bulb.
Leo TheCrafter
Leo TheCrafter 4 aylar önce
If that's true then please try to find conclusive evidence of plans etc and challenge the patent or basis of prior art. It doesn't matter who patented it first, if it existed before the patent application, it is null.
Joshua Higginbotham
Joshua Higginbotham 3 aylar önce
@Leo TheCrafter The difficulty with that is that even if you have all of the evidence in the world it costs 5-10 million dollars to break a patent.
Leo TheCrafter
Leo TheCrafter 3 aylar önce
@Joshua Higginbotham yeah that's true for these high profile high stakes cases. Maybe you can find a lawyer that demands payment only afterwards if the case is won. In that case you would have to persuade the lawyer that it's a clearly won case
cthellis 2 aylar önce
I do believe Technology Connections just threw down a gauntlet here.
V0LDY 2 aylar önce
more like a pair of Havel's Gauntlets
Tom Van Dongen
Tom Van Dongen 2 aylar önce
​@V0LDYwith a bit of STONE cold logic
can can
can can Aylar önce
He also said he thinks the incentive was to make profit, other stuff was just happy accidents.
Carlos D Gutierrez
Carlos D Gutierrez Aylar önce
​@can canmeh, everything was a trade-off between efficiency, lifespan and price and lifespan is inversely proportional to efficiency if you keep your price constant, to increase both the price would have become too prohibitive to make the product viable as a mass consumer good. Everything have trade-offs in real life engineering, you can't have your cake and eat it at the same time.
Kitty T Kat
Kitty T Kat 10 aylar önce
Thirty years ago, I was selling bulbs that burned from 5-7 yrs. Farmers especially loved them. It was the postage that they objected to, and I couldn't blame them. It was a ridiculous amount and the company closed after thirty very successful years.
Burns Blown Glass
Burns Blown Glass 2 yıl önce
A GM engineer once told me, "it's easy to make a car last forever, getting one to break down in 7 years is the trick"
James Langridge
James Langridge 2 yıl önce
I aways thought it was getting one to break down the day after your warranty expires is the trick. 😁
Altair 3750
Altair 3750 2 yıl önce
An example of why I will never buy a GM product. Hondas and Toyotas are more durable.
Burns Blown Glass
Burns Blown Glass 2 yıl önce
@Altair 3750 Nissan and Volvo are my preferences
thatkidKgosi 2 yıl önce
Ohh my gosh. That explains alot
Effin Casual's
Effin Casual's 2 yıl önce
But as Toyota has shown us,a lasting car,equals more sales.
bhavesh rana
bhavesh rana 2 aylar önce
I normally don't bother to comment on videos I like, but this was very informative! Keep doing what you're doing.
V0LDY 2 aylar önce
After watching the recent video from Technology Connections I remembered this video, and I can now see how poorly researched and explained things are. Turns out there was no actual conspiracy if you take long enough to learn how lightbulbs actually work and the tradeoff between duration, light emitted and efficiency. Not saying planned obsolescence isn't a thing (my washing machine I fixed with 5€ by replacing a connection caused by purposely faulty design instead of the 200€ or straight up replacement of the whole thing was a good lesson about it), but the Phoebus Cartel is an awful example of it because the lightbulbs weren't made bad on purpose, they simply had to pick a tradeoff between filament life and power.
fxturist853 7 aylar önce
my grandmother's old fridge lasted for like 30+ years and it was still working when we changed it (some functions weren't working but it was mostly in freezer) and when we bought new fridge, it started to malfunction in like a year lmao
Caveman Hikes
Caveman Hikes 6 aylar önce
I have the same problem with lawn mowers. The oldest mower never has to be replaced. The newer ones I have to replace almost every year. I bought the old one used 20 years ago.
CPM 2 aylar önce
As a child in the '50's, my parents use to tell us how “public service” companies in Milwaukee would replace burned out bulbs when customers came in to pay their bill. They said the customer was required to bring the burned out bulb in with them, hand it over and were given a new one. We've reached this “advanced” state of customer service via ownership of government by corporations. How lucky we are, no? ROFLMAO!
nicholas ash
nicholas ash 9 aylar önce
Bloody hell! I can remember when the "everlasting lightbulb" was an urban myth, and you were a tinfoil hat enthusiast if you thought it was true. A while ago i heard that a certain computer processor manufacturer were working on their Mk VII model before they'd even released the Mk V (I.e. the successor's successor) - I gave it no credence then, but I'm starting to wonder now!
tommie cottril
tommie cottril 9 aylar önce
Company who realse things every year has had done the major things like designing, tools required, molds etc many years before the product was realsed do you think apple can make a iPhone in just 1 year (yes with what little they change) but a modern day CPU (core prosing unit) has billon of parts in it.
Lee Bee
Lee Bee 7 aylar önce
It's not true. Testing has shown that in real-world conditions, modern 'bulbs' such as LEDs don't really last much longer than real bulbs, plus they don't count as real light bulbs anyway since they're so unpleasant, depressing, toxic, cold, etc. They're a horrible, nasty, cheap, tacky substitute for real light bulbs which I would never use. They also burn my skin.
mk VV
mk VV 7 aylar önce
@Lee Bee Remind me not to have you write any ad copy for my company ;) Fwiw, I've found that the "warm" or "natural" led coatings are adequate for GP lighting. Then there's bright white for when I need it. Black lights for when I want it. Etc.
Konrad Peters
Konrad Peters 2 yıl önce
As an industrial designer I can honestly say that’s one of the most frustrating aspects of the industry. One always wants to design a product with the best characteristics.
Sparkey Jones
Sparkey Jones 2 yıl önce
I'm sure it is. In your occupation you can identify and fix flaws in many designs that lead to reduced lifespan. It's really too bad most companies are no longer interested in selling a product designed with longevity in mind. But, I wonder how much of this is due to so many consumers basing their purchasing decisions mainly on cost? Our grandparent's generations were much different. They were willing to pay much higher prices for products that not only functioned better, but lasted longer.
Alex 2 yıl önce
@Sparkey Jones The disposable income has gone down, it's not a mindset. It's not having the money to make big purchases.
Konrad Peters
Konrad Peters 2 yıl önce
@Sparkey Jones that is also true. New and shiny for most consumers is more important than functional and long lasting. Even if the design is great. Look at the old Mercedes Benz from before the 90's. Great machines that with proper maintenance will outlast you. Can't say the same for newer cars. People used to keep they cars, washing machines, refrigerators for decades. And it's worse than turning your back on identifying flaws, it's actually designing something and then figuring out how to make it go bad. It's basically destroying your design.
Rubiconnn 2 yıl önce
People are suckers. They'll eat up marketing and use it as brand loyalty instead of just relying on data and companies know this.
Patrick M
Patrick M 2 yıl önce
I'm also an industrial designer and I honestly haven't come across any projects that I would consider to have planned obsolescence. All components, especially small components, have a cycle life, nothing lasts forever. You can make things last longer but it usually comes at some other cost like money or size or performance, etc.; and at a certain point, the product no longer meets it's requirements and lasts far longer than it would become technologically obsolete. Generally speaking my clients would prefer the last impression of their product NOT to be it crapping out.
Sr. Cv.
Sr. Cv. Aylar önce
LED bulbs in my house break between 2 and 3 years after I start using them. It's exactly the case of planned obsolescence, not the everlasting light bulb you mention. And it's way easier achievable with all this electronics inside, then it was with ordinary bulbs.
Sand NuggeR
Sand NuggeR 4 aylar önce
The fact that this is legal is tragic but what is even more tragic is that a company like apple is so influential nowadays. People really don't learn.
Michael Bobic
Michael Bobic 21 saatler önce
For me, the reality is that I have never had an LED bulb last twice as long as my nice warm incandescent bulb. They usually last about 5 months longer. Forget 10 times longer; that has never even come close to happening.
ryanpaul Yıl önce
This is interesting because it seems like the planned obsolescence is applicable in mostly newly created things. Like when lightbulbs were first being used it was a concern that they would go out of business because too good of one was made. The same with cars, now people want to make their car last longer. And iPhones as you said have not changed much and the old ones would work perfectly fine except for the software updates forcing them out. It's been ~140 years since the first lightbulb and now we have an "everlasting one". Maybe in 40 years we will have cars that last quite some time.
Caveman Hikes
Caveman Hikes 6 aylar önce
I know that car tires have had the ability to last as long as the car for a long time now. But they try to keep them around 100,000 miles. As a maximum. Otherwise it gets expensive and then you could still damage the tire. But, lifetime tires have been possible but mostly intentionally avoided by manufacturing companies
Rick Mellinger
Rick Mellinger 10 aylar önce
There’s another interesting case of industry collusion around planned obsolescence. I believe story goes, around the late 90’s/ early 2000’s the auto industry wanted to get older cars off the road in favor of newer ones that we’re more difficult to repair (basically targeting old carbureted vehicles), so in order to make it more difficult to live with them they got together with the fuel industry, with help from US lawmakers, to change fuel standards to add in ethanol. Fun thing about ethanol additive gasoline, after a while the ethanol will begin to separate out. So if you store a carbureted engine with modern gasoline in it for more than a few weeks it will clog the carb and you need to re-jet it. A lot of people didn’t want the maintenance hassle and bought newer models, the additives made the gasoline cheaper to produce, the agriculture lobby loved it because it was a new source of corn consumption, and Congress got a great round of funding from all three industries. Everyone won, except the public who got worse quality gas, more expensive to buy and maintain cars, and taxes taken out to subsidize the additional corn demand
Crypto With Lorenzo
My mum had an oven that lasted 30 years, fully functioning right till the end. Then when she got a replacement, the technician told her that the company who manufactured them went broke because their ovens very rarely broke down. It's sad that we've gone from one extreme of excellent durability and reliability to planned obsolescence.
Daemien21 Yıl önce
Because we cant find or change an economic solution to this as a species
David M.
David M. Yıl önce
Which company?
gizzy guzzi
gizzy guzzi Yıl önce
how long have you had your car? I am driving a 25 y.o. car with 200k miles on it. Impossible 40 years ago (without a complete rebuild at least once)
Crypto With Lorenzo
@David M. It was a company named St. George, here in Australia, which is now defunct. You will see a bank and rugby league team bearing the same name, but they're completely unrelated.
Crypto With Lorenzo
@gizzy guzzi My original comment relates to an old oven that lasted up to Jan 2020. However, my car is 7 years' old to date so too early to tell how long it'll last.
Baldr Yıl önce
This says a lot about the society we live in
Gentello 10 aylar önce
It does not surprise me, look to the history.
mk VV
mk VV 7 aylar önce
@Gentello Yeah, I think the abundance of resources reveals certain aspects of human behavior. An abundance, perhaps, that used to be very limited--to aristocracies and above. And we see some of those stereotypical behaviors writ large.
doomguy 6 aylar önce
You could always join an ahmish community
Norneda 2 aylar önce
We do indeed live in a society
Brian Haygood
Brian Haygood Yıl önce
I've seen plenty of LED lightbulbs blow out in a year or two of use. I think a lot of manufacturers are using poor quality heat management in the bulb's base to make sure their bulbs don't last.
Erik Lindgren
Erik Lindgren 11 aylar önce
yes! that, and just running the diodes harder than they are really rated for. if you want efficient bulbs, you put more diodes in, and slightly under run it instead, thats how you get those "15 year + " lifespans.
Jack Paul
Jack Paul 10 aylar önce
@Erik Lindgren not mentioning the dubai bulbs in this video was a massive oversight.
ninjaswordtothehead 2 aylar önce
Remember, the people in charge who approve and encourage the planned failure of things, and the waste that goes with it; are the very ones saying us, the people, need to do more for the environment.
Name 9 aylar önce
This is why anti trust laws are so important and shouldn’t be neglected
Ethan Kironus
Ethan Kironus 8 aylar önce
My dad would say--and mind you, he agrees that planned obsolescence is wrong because of the waste it produces--that it's both rational/profitable for companies to use planned obsolescence, and fair (they decide how their stuff is made, not to mention that in and of itself planned obsolescence isn't bad, though it's certainly problematic, but systemic planned obsolescence is the problem). I'm seriously NOT defending any form of planned obsolescence.
Ryan Taylor
Ryan Taylor 2 yıl önce
When I was a young boy and my Grandfather complained "They keep making this junk cheaper so you have to keep buying it"... he must have said that a hundred times to me over the years... turns out Grandpa knew what the hell he was talking about.
Another Available Name
Grandpa doesn't have all those years for no reason. The greatest tragedy is that us young people tend to ignore their wisdom.
LS-Swapped Cessna
LS-Swapped Cessna 2 yıl önce
All us young people turn up our noses at the 'boomers' for their often seemingly backwards ways of thinking, but they have wisdom on things that we're clueless about.
John from tennessee
John from tennessee 2 yıl önce
@Another Available Name YOU SAID IT
The other John Smith
This is true even in most of our lifetimes. Mobile phones used to be virtually indestructible (with normal use). And the screen was made from plastic, which scratched like a MF, but didn't crack.
Krzysztof Czarnecki
Krzysztof Czarnecki 2 yıl önce
It's literally killing -two- -three- four birds with one stone for the manufacturers - while charging the same amount of money, using less material/lower rating components costs them less, and at the same time they last a shorter amount of time. This also allows a smaller enclosure, that is more appealing to customers, and that in turn helps further reduce lifespan by making the product heat up inside more, and making it less mechanically durable. Just look at every device with more than 1 transistor in it made in the last decade and a half - the trend is to make them thin and "pretty" and try to shove that into people's brains as "fashion", and use brittle and easily scratched materials, while cheaping out on everything inside.
Michael T. Wardle "Spider"
My grandfather called it "built in obsolescence." It is a disgusting result of our money hungry civilization. It will ultimately lead to society's downfall.
Team Ahabhouna
Team Ahabhouna Yıl önce
Your presentation and timing is fantastic. Always look forward your useful videos.
Cory Dinsmore
Cory Dinsmore 8 aylar önce
There truly is no such thing as business ethics.
Terry Doner
Terry Doner 9 aylar önce
I’ve heard it said that an engineer needs to choose between serviceability and reliability. Something can be made more serviceable but will likely be less reliable, increasing the probability of needing service. I’m sure it isn’t that straightforward, but would be an interesting exploration.
Silky Heineken
Silky Heineken 2 aylar önce
I remember learning about this Cartel 20yrs ago during a Small Business Management Course and at the time I thought it simply too fantastic and put it down to an over zealous Lecturer bending the truth to make for an interesting story to tell us. Pretty stoked to learn all these years later that it was actually true 😂 Hazahhh!
Bruno Santos
Bruno Santos 2 aylar önce
The light bulb conspiracy is an excellent documentary that explains this very well. 💡
BADWOLF42 2 yıl önce
Slightly different than obsolescence, but when I was 13 or so, my neighbor (who lived about a mile away since I grew up on a farm) hired me to help him cut and load some old, dead oak trees to sell the wood. For those who don't know, wood is usually sold by the cord when dealing with large sales, which is a measure of volume (around 1,000 gallons, I think). So I started loading this wood into a trailer, and on the second day I was helping him, he stopped me and told me that I was loading it too well. I was being too efficient, packing the wood into the trailer too tightly and thus reducing his profit from the sale of the wood, since there was more wood per cord. He made me stop and instead load it loosely and less efficiently. A few days after that, I came up with a way to use his tractor to load the wood faster than either of us could by hand, and he fired me once he realized how well it worked. Really taught me a lot about the world.
Nels Blair
Nels Blair 2 yıl önce
I don’t blame him for releasing unneeded laborers. I might blame him for shorting the customer. I don’t blame him, if he had just wanted you manual load times to be faster but used the packing efficiency argument to show his concern, without directly calling you slow.
Daniel Jensen
Daniel Jensen 2 yıl önce
I mean you kinda did that to yourself if he was paying you to help and you showed him he could just use the tractor without needing you at all.
Ivan Kocher
Ivan Kocher 2 yıl önce
You optimized yourself out. Welcome to the world. Happens when you automate your job too much, your employer finds that you are not needed any more, sadly that employer is short sighted, cause he can use you to automate more stuff instead.
Seldom Pooper
Seldom Pooper 2 yıl önce
ha :D
Anarchy RC
Anarchy RC 2 yıl önce
Never seen wood measured in gallons. Thanks for the laugh :D
Yash Chaturvedi
Yash Chaturvedi 6 aylar önce
This video is THE best video on TRvid I have ever seen. It was SO well made and so well done up to the very last moment which gave me goosebumps. Keep up the great work!
Gina Marie Turino
Gina Marie Turino 6 aylar önce
MCmadness110 2 aylar önce
This aged like milk, watch technology connections video on the subject.
qb connect
qb connect Yıl önce
I swear Amazon practiced planned obsolescence this past prime day 2022. I never heard the phrase until this video. But I thought it too coincidental that the Firestick I had for 4yrs never had any problems until a month before Prime day '22. It started 'glitching', and by the time Prime day came it didn't work at all. In my stubbornness I refused to buy a new one, feeling like I was being taken. Out of spite I bought a Roku instead. I hope they both don't eventually form a 'cartel'. 🤷🏾‍♂️
Paolo Saggese
Paolo Saggese 2 aylar önce
I'm afraid that something similar to what happened with the old incandescent bulbs is happening again with the LED bulbs. If in principle they could last practically "forever", in reality I have already had to replace dozens of them in my house, in the few years since they became available. Sure they're a lot more efficient than old incandescent ones and last a little longer than those, but they cost more and don't last anywhere near as long as they could and should...
Om Babsail
Om Babsail 9 aylar önce
I knew it. I bloody knew it. I felt the difference from when I was younger when everything was more reliable in general and lasted longer, much longer. for example, I still have the same old tools I used back when I was a kid, but any new composite tools I buy often just wear out much quicker or break outright. Or another example, ACs, my grandfather's house was the first house we had ACs installed in, and that was about 24 years ago, they lasted the entire 24 years with no major problems with literally over 18 hours a day of use, due to the desert's high heat here and freezing cold winters where we need AC heaters. After 24 years they actually replaced them with new "efficient designs" about early this year, 2 broke down. months of use, 2 broke down (out of 5 used daily). They broke down quite badly too, electrical failure in one and mechanical in the other, replaced electronics and repaired mechanical parts. while the old ACs lasted atleast 10 years or so before their first "break down" (of course maintenance was carried out yearly due to the AC running out of cooling fluid) and despite their break down it was very minor, most just got their motor jammed (can't be surprised from the dust here) and a couple others broke some parts which were replaced for cheap compared to the expensive electric parts of the new ones. Don't even get me started on cars. Anyone who drives today knows anyway, but despite this toyota and a couple of other asian companies still don't rip us off which makes them easily leaders in reliability and durability. Other problems were with bulbs like mentioned in the video, we had replaced our old lights with LEDs recently, let's see how that goes..
R. A.
R. A. 8 aylar önce
Not even houses are exempt from this scam. Near where I live, there's 3 apartment blocks that was built some 20 years ago, now sits abandoned due to neglect and disrepair. My house, built in 1974, still going strong after almost half a century. Don't get me started with newer homes that break down within 5 years due to various issues.
Om Babsail
Om Babsail 8 aylar önce
@R. A. Luckily where I live it is damn near impossible to find any house newer than 20 years old. my own house is 20 years old however, but, it's not had any issues yet except for the elevator...yet..
Alex Tonev
Alex Tonev 2 aylar önce
I think humanity needs a strong reminder of the times like during either world war when resources where so scarce they had to make literally ever single thing they had last from clothes to lightbulbs. Consumers and manufacturers alike somehow seem to have adjusted too well to the idea that we have too many cheap and readily available resources at our disposal. I genuinely have no idea how the world will look by 2050 when the world oil runs out, as currently it is being used not just for cars but also things like tarmac and more importantly plastics as well as many more. Yesterday this may have seemed like an event far of into the future, but it’s coming ever closer and I don’t think we are prepared to deal with it.
Zan Yıl önce
The fact that it's so well known and still being allowed to exist is criminal
Cool386 Vintage Technology
Big business rules the world. That's why it will continue to exist, unfortunately.
NikoStalk Yıl önce
@Cool386 Vintage Technology big business are made of people, who the freak will be your Steve Jobs without a hands of smart-enough engineers? huh?
Deaf Panda
Deaf Panda Yıl önce
@NikoStalk the people who Steve jobs is paying, who won’t go against him because he controls their entire income.
Brandy Lou
Brandy Lou Yıl önce
Devil's Advocate thought ... Without big business how would people get the things they use on a daily basis? I get your point, but really you are asking the wrong question. The question is "how can we find a healthy balance between consumerism, and manufacturing? "
Zan Yıl önce
@Brandy Lou By branching out into new fields. The way I see it, light bulbs should have been made practically unlimited use by now and light bulb companies should have diversified into other electronic industries since light bulb progress was done. But instead they stick to making defective ones forever thus making no progress.
Found One
Found One 8 aylar önce
Too bad those LED light bulbs also have planned obsolescence! The first LED bulb I bought was heavy had a heat sink, cost almost $30 and is still going almost 10 years later now. Many others that are recent and lightweight like the one you show at the end didn't make it 1 year!
PhoenixStodios Yıl önce
Calling intentional failure as “ planned obsolescence” is like a calling a fat person “ plus sized model”. It only makes a scam sound like a strategy.
Wednesday 6 aylar önce
This is infuriating and there were supposed to be laws preventing this from happening. Corporate greed is what's destroying us. If products were made better then workers could work on creating new things that make life better
NEVER BREAK 3 aylar önce
Thank you for educating people on this!!!
Jos Bar
Jos Bar Yıl önce
This is also why I never buy an "Extended Warranty" on any product. The idea behind any type of insurance is the company is betting that you will *not* need the insurance or warranty, so they make money off of the premiums people pay. The consumer is betting that they *will* need the insurance and we want to pay a little premium rather than pay a larger amount to get an item fixed or replaced. So, if the manufacturer actually thought the item had a reasonable chance of breaking down, they would not offer a warranty that would make them repair it for free. A product will usually break down after the warranty has expired. Class dismissed.
Sarah Schulz
Sarah Schulz 2 yıl önce
My parents recently got a new microwave and gave me their old one they got for their wedding - I'm 25 and warming up my leftovers in the same microwave my baby food was warmed in... pretty amazing. I would love if everything lasted forever. Planned obsolescence feels like such a waste of resources.
Vladimir Obradovic
Vladimir Obradovic 2 yıl önce
but but, infinite growth! :)
Jack R
Jack R 2 yıl önce
A waste of time, ambition, and effort. But I wonder if it's a character of a downturn of civilizational spirit, when it occurs writ large.
TerraBiker 2 yıl önce
yeah , i had to replace the 20yo microwave only bcs we got new power breakers that couldn't handle the peak load when turning on the MW. It didn't have a soft start...
Psychlist 2 aylar önce
I've often wondered if the main reason filament light bulbs tend to fail is partially due to the thermal displacement on the filament. When the bulb is cycled on and off, this causes displacement back to the original length. This certainly causes the filament to endure tensile stresses as a result. So, if a bulb is never turned off, would it's usable hours be greater than if it is cycled on and off regularly?
Johanne Yıl önce
Instead of starting with a ban on shopping bags which many people repurpose and replacing plastoc straws with shriveling paper ones, the packaging of items don't have less plastic and our tech can't be recycled in a way that doesn't harm the environment. This is a wonderful topic to discuss. "Planned obsolescence" wouldn't seem as nefarious if consumers did in fact know and prices reflected shortened life spans. I bought the first huge iPad with 64G and it's inability to get updates and lags in performance have made me never buy another Apple product. Consumers can change this by refusing to participate.
Gregg Greene
Gregg Greene Yıl önce
That's the same thing with the things we're buying today, one of these are our phones and other devices. Before,during my dad's and mom's time the time spent ( my mom,especially, takes a long time to be done) shopping was well worth it. Those were the times when manufacturers were competing against each other to produce beautiful, durable and really quality merchandise. Well,those light bulbs cartel came earlier but their business practices weren't that well known that time,unlike today obsolescency practices seem to be normal! I think it's a criminal act that should be addressed by the government and other consumer groups. It's a betrayal of people's trust. Yeah,that's why we can't have nice things. It's like freedom,liberty and such,to have nice things one has to fight for it.
Drew 21 gün önce
In the past few years, a surprising number of items I purchased, failed way too quickly. Sometimes in the first year. Each time this happened, I called the manufacturer. I told them I bought this product and it was fine for a while, but now isn't functioning or not functioning properly, what do you think I can do about it.. .am I doing something wrong? EVERY TIME ... the response was basically "I'm sorry for the trouble you are having. What is your address, we'll get a new one out to you" And they did. My take is that they know that quality is for shyte and they just want to preserve their reputation for customer service.
Martin Kykta
Martin Kykta 7 aylar önce
I enjoyed the video and the point it made about the part planned obsolescence plays in manufacturing. One point should be cleared up. The bulb is operating at 4 watts instead of 60 watts because the filament is thinner due to evaporation. The resistance is higher and the operating current is less. The operating voltage is still 120 volts.
Potato Yıl önce
Imagine just how advanced we would be if it wasn't for business practices like this
RawDog Yıl önce
Depends, we might all still be driving cars from the 30's and washing our shirts from the 40s🤔
Lawrence Morris
Lawrence Morris Yıl önce
A lot of business and other practices like a lot of things in the modern world.
LDS Emyaj Nosdrahcir Eniac Sovereign
Exactly. A world that voids merchants and money is a paradise.
luke yznaga
luke yznaga Yıl önce
your not kidding, Potato. ANYBODY REMEMBER the dreams of various World Fairs in the past? all those ideas should have become reality. again, I have to use the tired old stereotype, the Jetsons cartoon. But if you look at NASA technology and our Military tech, you know that these things ALREADY exist but the government and the military WON'T LET PEOPLE have these things!
A Realist
A Realist Yıl önce
@RawDog Not necessarily. People will still buy a modern laptop even if their old typewriter is working fine. They don't need to break their products to be able to sell new improved products.
Azzedine 12 gün önce
This man not only is a genius , he has the courage and savoir faire to teach and share his genius 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Andre Ugland
Andre Ugland 8 aylar önce
Led spot lights lasts alot longer than the powersupply. Half the powersupplies for 30 lights didnt work in an apartment from 2014. Problem was the new drivers didnt make the same light so had to replace them all to get the same light.
samudragupt473 7 aylar önce
Coming to LED lights, in india I have observed every LED bulb is lasting for just 1.25 year of regular use Some last longer , the ones that are used less ... We have a policy to write installation dates on bulbs and have observed this in our factory
Andrew Grosvenor
Andrew Grosvenor 10 aylar önce
Hey there, we recently bought a house that had this leaf blower in the attic... It has a few issues that should resolve, after minor repairs as you demonstrated in this video. THANK YOU very much for the detailed video, instructions, and pro tips! It is really helpful for a guy who knows enough to be "dangerous" LOL much obliged, God bless you and yours! Happy Thanksgiving! I am very grateful for this video! Godspeed+++
Diego S
Diego S 10 aylar önce
TZM went full on this topic and put together a case on how our economic system requires waste and inneficiency to function, addressing the inner workings of the market economy. They published TZM defined, Culture in decline and recently interreflections all for free, although most of the public would be too ignorant to even rationalise half the concepts discussed or begin to seek to get informed. Truly a man ahead of his time Peter joseph and the way he merged disciplines to put forth an argument against the pain humanity inflicts upon itself
SoulfoodFight 2 yıl önce
Imagine the trillions of tons of unnecessary garbage planned obsolescence has caused our planet, the poisoning of our rivers and air and soil... It's so backward and disgusting. 😞
kristoffer3000 2 yıl önce
Welcome to capitalism!
Cello 2 yıl önce
All for the love of money
Diet0r 2 yıl önce
Imagin the trillions of dollars lanned obsolescence has caused our planet
Caaru 2 yıl önce
ah but you can make money moving the garbage around, so it's a trade off. that's why capitalism is so beloved and will def not lead to the death of the planet in one way or another
Sasper 2 yıl önce
@Caaru just moving it around... not getting rid of it or recycling it. recycling isnt profitable so thats why they dont actually do it. its a scam, only a few materials or plastics can be recycled to make profit, otherwise it doesnt happen.
João Reis
João Reis Yıl önce
I don't even care if planned obsolescence is necessary/desirable in the current system, the take away is simple: if a system needs planned obsolescence to survive, in a planet with finite resources and where production has an huge impact on our natural environment, so that system sucks and we should all seek viable alternatives.
robin elliott
robin elliott 3 aylar önce
Around the year 2000 my mother won around 12 light bulbs on some competition online, they had an advertised life of around 12 years and most lasted around 10 with one or two dying after 6 or so years... I've tried to find them many times but cannot. These days I pay £5 for one bulb that lasts upto a year, I hate buying them as I know I'm having my trousers pulled down.
Will Porter [CASHXRAT]
Do we know for a fact the drop in sales for the single year shown in the video was actually caused by the increased lifespan of bulbs? Seems like any number of things could have caused a fall in sales. Curious if there’s more data actually bearing this out, or whether the bulb cartel simply assumed the cause-effect here.
JustARandomHorse 666
JustARandomHorse 666 9 aylar önce
Anyone who even thinks planned obsolescence is the correct way to get repeat customers is wrong on so many levels. The correct way would be not only by providing parts to end users and repair or maintenance services but branching out to make goods that must be replaced regularly such as food, beauty products, cleaning products and office supplies and reduce positions in manufacturing in favour of other positions in the company when something isn't selling as much as it use to. They could also make the chassis of something modular so panels can be changed when the style changes without wasting everything for a different colour or style. They would also have no choice but to bring back hand making and make things slower instead of pushing out unfinished products in time for jesus simps to celebrate genocide. If planned obsolescence never became a thing, we would have an amazing used market where we would be going to for most of our things and the companies who made the products would be getting our money for goods that have to be replaced often and not seen as evil entities that hate the earth. 15:52 We have not reached the point of an everlasting light bulb, they standardise the life span of those to by over volting the LEDs, you can significantly prolong the lifespan by replacing a resistor with a different value that lowers the voltage while barely effecting brightness.
Morgan Ahoff
Morgan Ahoff 5 aylar önce
Pretty good coverage of the topic. I think you forgot a couple of points. First of all, the world could build a car that lasts 40 years, but it would take a lot of resources. The automotive industry has gotten much better at not putting resources into the cars they make, so that thy last longer than people are going to own them anyway (though it means when you buy a used car with a lot of features, nearly everything is breaking down at the same time. Secondly, there was a time when Microsoft embraced the idea of backward compatibility. They advertised that if you owned software that was written to run on DOS 1.0, you could still run it after you upgraded to DOS 3.2. But who would want to? They realized that this was not appropriate for the computer industry, a position that Apple had adopted; they set a limit of 5 years, after which they would not support peripherals, not maintain drivers for them. So backward-compatibility, and longevity, though they seem like good ideas are not necessarily best. And I have a good example regarding light bulbs: my sister was an early-adopter of LED bulb technology, and replaced all the lights in her condo with 13-year bulbs. They cast a sickly, green glow. The technology wasn't quite there yet. Better LED bulbs have subsequently been developed, but she had a home full of bulbs that didn't perform as well, but would last 13 years. She sold the condo, bulbs and all, and the new owners probably threw out all the green bulbs and bought some current technology.
David Letasi
David Letasi 2 yıl önce
My aunt moved into her family home in 1919 at age 14 and had a 1913 Edison light bulb on her second story stair well. She lived in the house untill her death in 2002. She replaced that bulb a year before her death and she gave it to me and I have kept it right up to writing this comment and the other day plugged it in to see if it's still works. Bright as ever! Going on 108 years old.
x y z
x y z 2 yıl önce
NETSHAEK 2 yıl önce
Nobody else like the comment it’s at exactly 108 likes
iknow 2 yıl önce
@NETSHAEK I was going to do it until i read ur comment hahahahah
Eric McClelland
Eric McClelland 2 yıl önce
Someone already ruined it so +1 like for every extra year?
2n9 2 yıl önce
That happened
Thebeardedone 2 aylar önce
With LED lights I think they put bad chips in because they may not go out for a long time, but they sure as heck flicker like crazy after you’ve had them for a while.
Zoolander Skytower
Zoolander Skytower 7 aylar önce
I put led lights in my house, and they go out all the time. I have been in this house for 2 years and replaced all the lights when I moved in. I have since replaced a lot of those lights especially in rooms like the kitchen and living where they get used the most. I guess they figured obsolescence out for LEDs as well. I think it is not the bulbs themselves but whatever condenser or whatever it uses in the bulb. Maybe one day I will rip one apart and see what's in it. Also I noticed phones have a useful lifespan of 2 years. I bought an S10 and broke it so bought another S10 instead of getting the newer S21 and after a year it is still working fine even though the phone model is 3 to 4 years old. My theory was that each upgrade made the phones worse after 2 years but that would only make sense if the phone Model was 2 years old and not the individual phone. Like if they were nerfing the phone firmware or OS with each additional update. But obviously that isn't it if my phone is still working well and is a 4 year old model even though it's a 1 year old phone.
Painless kun
Painless kun 6 gün önce
The most probable reason why a LED bulb goes out is because of weaker components and the immediate stressing and destressing on them by turning them on off more often. Keep a bulb on for a whole year and it would work perfectly fine, however energy costs will rise incredibly high.
Richard The Magician
Richard The Magician 10 aylar önce
This conversation would actually come up on the show Shark Tank quite often. I watch that show all the time and there have been many cases where somebody would bring in a product that's made so well that it would never need to be replaced. And the Sharks would immediately criticize and opt out of investing. They would even be blunt by saying exactly what the video is saying. I can see the pros and cons to this in my own profession. I'm a professional magician. Every now and then a magician will come out with a product to sell the other magicians that is so durable and made so well that it never needs to be replaced. Because of this, that magician would go out of business and the product would disappear from the market. So if you ever lost it or if a new generation wants to get their hands on it, they can't. It becomes lost to time.
Mimi Mills
Mimi Mills 2 aylar önce
Those of us old enough to remember Kirby vacuum cleaners can tell you-they do it on purpose. Billionaires are evil
Belaar 2 yıl önce
It is actually outrageous that planned obsolescence isn't discussed more. It is definitely one of the main issues we need to solve in order to save our planet.
umbium 2 yıl önce
Good luck trying to change the wealthy 1% minds. I bet we will head towards "pay your climatic survival tools" instead of "stop climate change". Unless everyone stops asking their neighbours to do stupid behavipural changes and star demanding the governments and companies
Ben 2 yıl önce
And they also worked out its actually a select few criminal groups even in the world that are responsible for like 90% of the worlds spam emails so if we just got interpol to crack down on them once and for all we could end both a nuisance that has plagued the world since the internet began and also take a chunk out of the global carbon footprint
Asa Foster
Asa Foster 2 yıl önce
@umbium eat the rich ?
TeKaMOTO 2 yıl önce
In George Carlin's words, "The planet is fine, the _people_ are fucked!"
Guessagainkk 2 yıl önce
We are living a capitalistic world
Don Vidovic
Don Vidovic 8 aylar önce
Unfortunately, LED light bulbs mentioned at the end of the video are now running into the problem of planned obsolescence as of 2023. I have several home built LED lights from 2005 that have never failed, a few 2008 commercial that also have not failed. But from circa 2015 on most last between 3-5 years now, with only a few that have lasted longer.
ClubLLAG 2 aylar önce
Right to repair does not solve the problem of planned obsolescence. I had high hopes of this channel.
Ok on ok off
Ok on ok off 3 aylar önce
They really do have superb tech to what we use nowadays, especially with EV’s, they just won’t give it to us
boredgunner 10 aylar önce
Essentially everlasting LED bulbs, but then planned obsolescence came into play once again. Electroboom has a good video on that.