The Tragic Downfall of The Flash 

I never want to hear the words ‘Run Barry run’ again

I find it fascinating how every CW superhero show has a good first season, a better second season, and then completely falls apart.

the biggest issue with the series is that they didn't bother being consistent with the Flash's actual power. 90% of the villains on the show wouldn't be able to hold a candle to him.

why dosent the flash just run at every villian at like 1000 mph and just blow a hole through their chest with a 1000 mph single punch??? like is there a reason given in the show for why he dosent just even just grab the bad guys at the speed of sound and put them in a maximum security prison cell within literally a single second?

The CW forgot one small but incredibly important part of Barry as a character. Barry was incredibly lonely. Due to Professor Zoom's machinations, Barry grew up as a very lonely child, it took it to collage, having no roommate (Also Zoom) , and took it to work in his almost always solo role as a CSI. When he became the Flash, this intensified a million-fold. Because as the Flash, a single day could feel like a relative week. While he did learn to compensate for that, along with his initial massive calorific intake, via the Speed Force, and simply drawing energy from it, rather than simply trying to keep up. This is why he tried to make every interaction felt personal, every mission its own period of time in order to simply deal with 'time' as a relative factor, an odd quirk that seemingly always made Barry late for social events. So when Wally got the old spark of speed, he grabbed hold of the kid, as Wally could now understand the solitude, but never have to suffer it. ... Now make THAT series, and watch the fans flood back.

the main problem i had with the show was iris's character portrayal, she was arrogant self centered, and at times emotionally abusive towards berry. she was constantly using emotional manipulation to get berry to do whatever she wanted him to do. the whole relationship was toxic.

As someone who still watches this show (mainly because my parents like it), I can confirm that most episodes go like this: Barry: *encounters a villain and stops to talk instead of apprehending them first, putting people in danger* Villain: *hits the flash with one attack after saying something, then escapes (teleports off screen miles away)* Barry: "the bad guy was too strong, we stand no chance unless we get some random invention or idea even though I can instantly K.O them b4 they even know im there" *Meanwhile a side plot is going on, usually involving Iris getting dragged to a random dimension or just straight up getting kidnapped* team flash member *gives a quick pep talk* Barry: *stops to talk but actually wins this time* *dramatic cliffhanger* then next episode we disregard the life lesson barry or someone learns to teach it to them again later and then there's the usual season nowdays Beginning: A new meta or group is found, or some weird things are occuring, and they realize something or someone is behind it Barry encounters the big bad, STILL stops to talk, then gets curb stomped and beaten up like he's in kick the buddy a tiny bit of filler new suit improvements (i miss the leather) Middle: Iris gets kidnapped character development, and new characters are introduced, but we all know they're really just reskins of old and better characters who left the show *side characters get powers for no good reason* 3 side plots begin another big bad encounter, and the team learns more abt them, with the evil guy usually having a somewhat sad backstory which most of the time doesn't justify their actions end of middle: bad guys identity is revealed end: Iris gets saved and the side plots either end or get left on a cliffhanger (also they stopped a bad guy, and someone either died or left) but wait THERE"S MORE a new villain or group gets introduced and the cycle repeats I am sleep deprived, goodbye

I loved Barry as a forensic expert. I was expecting him to juggle his job and superhero duties. But like immediately he is a full time superhero.

The "bargain visual effects aren't the problem, poor writing is" argument is so spot-on, it sums up every bad season perfectly. It costs nothing to write proper build-ups, tension, stakes, character motivation, and every established storycrafting technique that grabs and keeps an audience engaged episode to episode. Consistency also costs nothing but costs everything if one screws it up. This show needed a visionary showrunner with the mettle of, say, Vince Gilligan or Eric Kripke, paired with a network that believes in them. Never liked Berlanti, but that's just me.

I don’t mind the idea that Barry occasionally relapses (heck if I remember right, Flashpoint is triggered more by a moment of weakness with Barry trying to save his mom when he should have accepted that couldn’t happen), but I think the issue isn’t the occasional relapse, it’s that it literally feels like his character learns and lesson and then resets because “the status quo is supreme” and not something you should be constantly building on…

I would point out that Team Flash in season one is even smaller than it appears, since Wells isn't actually a true member in that season - being the villain and all. Yes he fills the role, but halfway through the season we learn the truth and that flips his entire dynamic on its head. Plus, that actually makes Team Flash a useful plot element, with the betrayal, rather than the drag it became later.

honestly for iris, she could have worked as a main character if they leaned more into her journalist/investigator job, imagine if she was the one that found cicada, she was the one who figured out who savitar was, who reverse flash was? but in a way that made her seem like a skilled investigator, which considering she was raised by a cop, her being good at that isnt hard to believe, and in turn, we wouldnt have needed that ridiculous french sherloque. Iris could be the person to show that you dont need superpowers to be a hero, which is what the earlier seasons of the cw arrowverse were a bit better in portraying.

25:49 Whilst you are right in saying he is a badass, I think that what makes Barry such a good character in general is the fact that he cares In the animated series, he knew every person he saved by name, lived in an apartment with barely any furniture, he prioritised saving and helping people - even villains - over his own interests and any semblance of glory (Such as the Flash museum) And personally I don't think they did that iteration justice in the Arrowverse But I feel like they tried And ended up making him reliant on a lot of other characters which defeats the point of this dude with superspeed who turns out to be *just a random millennial with superspeed and a good heart saving a whole city all by himself*

Grant Gustin is a fantastic Flash, but I've always noticed how they never let him fully utilize Barry's sense of humor in the show. He sometimes felt more like Barry when he guest starred on Arrow or Supergirl.

Grant Gustin is the Flash for me as well. Season 1 is a fantastic season. As a big Flash fan of both Barry and Bart, it was so awesome to see Barry brought to life.

The power inconsistencies are also a thing in the comics. At one point it's stated that the reason the main Rogues (Captain Cold, Heatwave, Mirror Master, etc) are still around is because both they and Flash treat their battles almost like a game, and Flash is holding way back

Season 1 was a quirky, yet oddly charming start to the series. Sure it had it’s flaws, but it’s episodic format and overarching story managed to pull me in. This was at a time I knew nothing about the Flash as a character and this show introduced me to Barry Allen for the first time. I was hooked on the first season and was eagerly anticipating the s2 premiere after the finale. However, you could detect the tonal shift by episode 2 of the second season and it never really recovered after that. I kept waiting and waiting through seasons 2 and 3 for it to return to the fun and quirky show that pulled me in, but it never did. I gave up watching regularly after season 3 and binged watched season 4 when it came out on Netflix. But after season 4 teased a return to it’s previous format but ultimately failed to deliver, I finally tuned out. It’s kinda sad thinking back on it.

I so badly hated Iris in this show that it was the first time I had to struggle to separate the actor from the character. Normally, I just...can do that. But Patton's face being so inextricably linked to the character I most hated in that show for so long made it difficult. Just like Gustin is the Flash in a positive way, Patton is Iris in a negative way. And that shit with Nora and Thawne did not make it easier.

I really loved season 2, possibly more than season 1, i really enjoyed zoom and his character arc in the show because he was basically the dark version of barry, his mom died but unlike barry he had no one to go to which is why he's evil, he sort of lashed out against the world and lost the feeling to care about people until he meets Caitlin which makes him think that maybe he doesn't have to be alone but after she rejects becoming evil with him, all he cares about is being as powerful as he can be so he can destroy the world that took everything from him

For me it's the repetitive, someone gets upset and leaves the room, and then the group looks at each other intensely and decides who is going to have the heart to heart. One person goes to talk to the upset person and then the issue is "resolved." Happens at least twice an episode.

Thank you for putting this all into one video. I felt so many of these problems in those first seasons, and it’s sort of validating to hear someone agree. I hate so much when shows have a special character concept, and just extend it to everyone in the cast (looking at you Vampire Diaries), and the villains were so insanely underpowered to Barry it was like, “What are we doing here?” Also, Pretty Little Liars was my SFR.

I'll say in defense of Cisco becoming Vibe, it at least was something somewhat planned in season 1. I think he could've been more interesting as Vibe if they'd handled him better after seasons 1 and 2.

Oh I totally forgot Thawne's ancestor committed suicide to erase him! That was the most incredible goosebumps moment! I remember crying my eyes out for Eddie, and Candice's reaction. Damn. I hate that they undercut that later.

Having only seen the first "run Barry, RUN" moment, I quite liked that scene. Nice to see they beat it to death.

Agree with your take on Iris, personally I never even shipped her and Barry romantically never saw the chemistry, especially since they had the foster sibling dynamic

Barry: I can’t do it Everyone: have you tried running very fast? Barry: *runs very fast* Barry: I did it

I think the netflix marvel shows actually showcase a big problem with how television is(was?) made. When the shows were greenlit, a certain number of episodes was ordered (13) and then the show has to fill that vacant space like pouring water into a glass. The problem with that is that then the story has to stretch and/or compress in order to fit the void. This means that even a small number of episodes can feel like too many because the pacing was determined by the episode count and not the needs of the story. With shows like the flash it tednded to show itself more in "filler episodes" and in situations where the budget of one episode is sacrificed for another (like when they did that sharkman vs gorilla grod episode, you could actually tell that earlier episodes had been written around not using special effects so that money could go to the shark vs monkey fight.)

Hearing about the "Speed Force constructs" are what killed any desire to continue the series in me. I never even finished season 7 after learning about them. I saw the footage of it ands was like, "Uh, when did running fast turn into being green lantern?"

One main issue was the lack of presence of the flashs rouges gallery. It truly had some really good villains but the cw kinda forgot about them. Captain cold for example, would have made a terrific villain but he was caught up in another cw nightmare...

When Eobard confronted cisco seconds after he found out he was the reverse flash, was amazing! because Eobard was just terrifying in the first season.

Every time I learn about the production of every CW show, I get more and more grateful for Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. Truly. A miracle. Because nobody watched that show while it was airing, but it kept getting good reviews and winning awards. It was that one rare time where the CW actually tried to make something great.

I actually think that Iris could have worked really well if they leaned into the reporter thing more from the beginning. I only saw seasons 1 and 2 of Daredevil, but Karen Page always felt like what Iris should have been. A regular person who didn’t need powers or incredible combat training or genius intellect to go up against bad guys. Someone with street smarts, empathy and determination to uncover the truth and expose corruption. That would have given her a unique niche on Team Flash instead of forcing her into becoming the team leader (for some reason) or a speedster.

I think CW Flash really blew it's load early in the first season. So much happened that could've been used thought multiple seasons that it felt like they peaked before even really starting

I disagree with the point about "they keep giving people powers" because you have it backwards (for most of the characters) they are introduced BECAUSE they are super powered characters from the comics. The writers are just trying to do the thing where we (the audience) meet them before they had powers. Now, the way that they go about it isn't great, and gets worse and worse as the seasons go on. I think the problem here has more to do with the writers not knowing what to do with them once their powers are introduced than the fact that they have powers at all.

Tragic is the perfect word to describe this show. S1 and 2 was so promising I only wish it got better. I think that's what people miss when talking about the flash. We ALL had hope that s1 and 2 was setting the stage for the show to find it's footing and and then get really good but the creators went the opposite direction

@FriendlySpace This IS a video I have NEVER forgotten. Simply because you hit it on the nail PERFECTLY and echo so many truths about modern TV and movie writing, I've felt about for a long time. And sadly, about the Flash and Arrow. Since this video was uploaded your spot on wisdom has been proven right in so many movies and TV shows since. CW was once a fantastic place for comic book fans and created a superb TV universe. Their "Crisis" event was a true treat for fans because they bought back a lot of universes and actors from the past. CW actually beat MCU to the multi verse by many years as well as proving these characters CAN work in the same screen together. But, as shown in this video, somewhere along the way CW started to become lazy and it's CLEAR even the actors on The Flash and Arrow started to look either bored or aware they were being served with substandard material. You can even tell it on their faces or body language. SURELY it's not rocket science to realise that adding new characters constantly will choke and damage main characters? When it was literally up to 9 characters made up of main and supporting characters the show had balance. It flowed and paced well. The audience ARE NOT STUPID. And their patience isn't limitless. Hollywood clearly looks down on us. Tragic because, as the Flash and Arrow showed, when you have the audience on your side, it creates a result where we're winners. Worst of all? CW betrayed the great actors who worked so hard to start the CW universe from the start. David

If I recall correctly, in the Injustice comics Flash is assertive enough to TURN HIS BACK ON SUPERMAN. I know that isn't the main timeline, and it takes several pretty horrible events, but it's such a ways from this Flash that needs everyone to hold his hand.

I think the phrase “Run Barry, run.” worked well ONLY with the Reverse Flash. It was first a sort of encouraging phrase from him to Barry before he revealed he was the Reverse Flash, but then it became almost a way of mocking him and I loved that in Season 1. Buuuut now anyone says it sooooo…. Yeah

I agree with you 100%, I couldn’t put my finger on it but to me I couldn’t find out why, but it became a chore sometimes watching the episodes and I gave up a lot earlier I would say after season 2 and then came back and forth, catching episodes here and there, and just reading up on the flash. For me, I think the big thing was also Wally West wasn’t cast properly. I’m used to the strawberry blonde, geeky prankster, and I could just never really get across the way CW went with casting. Wally West, or just wasn’t true to the comic.

Wow, I haven’t watched Flash since Season 3, and I had no idea how bad the show looks in recent seasons. You hit the nail on the head, that whole segment with Godspeed absolutely looked and sounded like Power Rangers. And leave it to the Arrowverse stunt choreographers to take characters with little to no melee combat focus and shoehorn in an “epic” sword fight, because that’s all they know how to shoot, or at least that’s all they’re interested in shooting.

I remember back when I watched the show (stopped somewhere in season 2 or 3), I watched a podcast episode on it and one of the hosts described the plot affectionately as "Barry, you have to run" - "How fast?" - "Like, really really fast", and I still think about that a lot Also, the first iteration of Wells/Thawne was great (casual ableism in the portrayal aside) and as much as I loved Thomas Cavanagh for it, I hated how they kept bringing him back, he was just a completely different character with nothing of what I enjoyed about him in the first place. But hey, we have the same face in the team.

I was pretty young when the flash first dropped, and I remember watching it with my family. I loved it cause it was a comic show, but they liked it cause it was just solid television. We’d watch it on a weekly basis til Barry got to the alternate universe shenanigans. There was Cisco turning into vibe and killer frost and all these things that were cool, but right after it even like 8-9 year old me started noticing the repetitive formula after the big event.

The arrowverse as a whole has fell apart (for me at least) but it has also produced some of the best superhero content that I've ever seen and I can easily go back and rewatch it

I have a feeling Grant Gustin is extremely grateful for those episodes where he doesn't need to do anything. He (and most of the main cast) have probably settled into the Ackles/Padalecki 'paycheck' phase of their job, they know the show isn't good but it's paying for the mortgage.

27:57 I don’t think it was a matter of unlearning the lesson, I think it was because he was a young and immature speedster that even though he was warned not to, losing his dad right in front of him when he just got released pushed him over the edge. He even admitted before he did it that he was broken inside. So he knew that it was the wrong thing to do and the consequences are dyer, but his emotions got the better of him. It was really a case of “F*ck around and find out”, and he did.

Honestly, i don't get why the didn't try to follow more on how Smallville told the story of Superman. I think it works much better as a long running show, because it had a clear goal in mind. Who does Clark Kent go from a High Schooler to the Superman we know. I don't say Smallville was perfect, but it was much better than all of the CW shows.

Barry revealing that he is the flash to his mom is easily the best scene in the whole show.

My main issue with this series is that each season had too many episodes, 23-26 each season. It made inevitable that we would get a lot of filler. It was a big reason I stopped after season 4. Bring it down to 12 or 13 episodes a season, and you could have a more cohesive and better paced story.

Its really hard to write the Flash, because his speed should solve pretty much everything within a few minutes of the intro. So his speed varies tremendously not just from episode to episode but from scene to scene. He can either dodge bullets, or cannot dodge a punch, depending on what the writer wants to do.

I can never understand the 20+ episodes model being an issue in of itself. As you pointed it out, there are shows that make it work, because at the end of the day it comes down to writing. If the writing is good, people will keep wanting more (until they don't which is usually a testament to the shows longevity and not to the number of episodes of each season). Hell, The Flash's current season is a great example. 10 episodes less than the previous season yet it still sucks because the writing still sucks.

The problem with this flash is this... In order to have enough going on to fill a whole tv show, they couldnt just focus on one character. So they had to make a team. The only way a team will work is if the flash needs them. The only way for him to need them is for him to never evolve and shed the team, so he stuck in a constant "need help" state. The flash is constantly dealing with other dc characters in the comics, but they dont have the rights. So the show itself is what makes him a bad flash.

I still remember watching the season one finale and being in tears when Barry had to let his mom die, I stopped watching midway through season 4 and I’m kinda happy I did. Watching these characters become cardboard cutouts and cliches was too much.

I watched seasons 1 and 2 back when they came out, and I really liked both of them. Season 3 was a bit boring, and I got distracted by other stuff. I am glad to see that I got out at the perfect time

I love the fact that most people dropped the show entirely during Chida season I agree with a lot of the things you said the only thing I don’t agree with is that season 1 is the only good season, season 2 is pretty good in my opinion the only thing bad about season 2 was the zoom reveal

The inconsistency I found most hilarious is one episode where he is able to run to China and back in a few seconds, but in the next, he is unable to run across a large vestibule and back in time to prevent a villain from running out the door.

I can't believe the tagline you chose for the video. After this many seasons and the overall quality of the show, I still consider this show as a major success. Every major flash villain showed up at least once and most were fun to watch. Arrow lost it's edge early in comparison due to using it to launch legends.

I started watching the flash a few weeks ago. I absolutely loved seasons 1-3. I think the CGI was alright "for it's time" but pretty much since i started to watch season 4 it felt like the writing quickly changed or the writer was changed. I didn't like the thinker, i felt like it was a very slow build up to nothing, i feel like the sentence of "The last full season i watched altogether was season 3" is so relatable. I can only watch a couple at a time with the later seasons. I'm on season 7 and it's okay but no way near as good as the beginning of the series. The inconsistencies' with capturing bad guys where he literally just talks to them when he could've easily captured them or completely forgetting he is literally THE FASTEST MAN ALIVE.

Watched the first 4 seasons(never finished the 4th) the 1st was intresting and got me watching ...the 2nd i liked Zoom he was menacing honestly i thought he was some kind of undead speedster at 1st that was consumed by those speed ghosts(wich would have been awesome btw) then things started going downhill i mean the killerfrost kinda made sense with her metagene freezing her heart turning her into a psychopath but they pushed that plotline too fast amd too strong i mean losing all emotions doesn't technicly automaticly turn you into a homocidal maniac you still need that special spark to push you into that direction(gues they noticed that later since they added the multiple personalities bs lnd ended up causing eaven more confusion meh glad i stoped at season 4)

I'd like to go back one day and count every single time Barry "lost his powers". They wore the HELL out of that plot device! Not to mention Barry's penchant for defeating the enemy with love and understanding, which let's face it, was more than likely a budgetary tactic to save money on special fx...regardless, the show had run its course and I was about to give up on it anyways lol

I really hate how the show never made Barry into the Flash and what I mean by this is that, it's forgivable that the support crew played more of an active role during the first 2 seasons perhaps. But in season 3 and onwards, the show never allowed Barry to grow into the Flash. He always needs to get coached, almost as if he could never operate on his own, almost as if the writers didn't know that the Flash usually operated on his own.

Like Syndrome said, “Once everyone’s super, no one will be.”

nothing will ever come close to the joy i felt watching s1-2 flash.

Can we all admit season 2 and 3 were actually good? The way the villians were pieced together was great imo. Their backgrounds, how their backgrounds made them how they were as supervillians, etc. I will admit, some of the things that happened werent....great. But, the first 3 seasons were very very good and s2 and s3 deserve more love.

I'd say Savitars intro was great, him punking Barry didn't just actually look good but it was actual fighting too, instead of playing tag all over the city for three minutes without a single blow exchanged. And then things teetered off.

I absolutely loved season 1-4, I thought 5 was also good and the villain was phenomenal, 6 was pretty enjoyable but a noticeable drop in quality and then I quit halfway through season 7

I think batwoman is the only show that can get away with the “team” aspect, because the Bat family is such an integral part of the bat universe

Barrry fights a villian. He fails. He sulks. He gets a pep talk. He beats the villian. This is the main go to for every single episode. I gave up on the series in season 5.

One point about Reverse Flash... Bringing him back, is probably the only true to the comic thing the writers did... Eobard is literally immortal in a way... He cannot be erased from the timeline, because he is crucial to the space continuum... If he is killed or destroyed or whatever, the universe will find a way to bring him back... He exists in all timelines and parallel universes simultaniously... He is literally unkillable or at least a version of him...

Man. This guy's taste in music is freaking bomb. Every intro slaps harder than before

Caitlyn should have become a full on villain and could have made an entire season revolving around Killer Frost and trying to save Caitlyn and bring her back. Now that would have been cool and interesting. Seeing Barry wrestle against a foe who is actually a friend. Instead, I feel like they tried to do too many things with her character in smaller arcs.

I will always have a soft spot for this show cause it made Flash my favorite DC hero, but things really went downhill by season 4

I like how many times you pointed out that it's not the actors that are doing a bad job, it's the writing. Which is 100% true, Grant Gustin is THE Flash, and the fact that we can all see that despite the shit writing just proves how amazingly well he fits the character. Just imagine what he could do with some actual good writing. I dropped off after season 5, and it's just heartbreaking to see how far the show has fallen. Really hope they manage to pull something coherant together by the finale.

I remember when I was younger when me and my family would huddle around the TV to watch The Flash. After season four my family stopped watching the show. The show ended in season four for me. Whenever I think of the Flash I will always think of Grant Gustin

Apparently, the reason why reverse flash comes back, is that he is a living paradox, and as long as Barry continues to fight him, Thawne is apparently immune to timeline changes.

I remember a bit in the comics, after Final Crisis, where the rogues find out the the first Flash is back. They immediately start talking about how they have to take shit seriously again, because Barry wasnt as soft with them as Wally was. That's not to say Wally was a bad hero, hes arguably better than Barry, but he has a much more light hearted approach to hero work

Season 1: Barry runs fast enough to go back in time Every other season: Barry fails to beat the villain because he's not fast enough

There was one episode where Barry finally confessed to Iris and they became a couple but runs back in time. They become a couple 3 or 4 times in a row, always a bit later in time than the attempt before. It's where I stopped. I remember being so frustrated that Barry actively chose to undo things and relearn his lesson and suffer AGAIN that I stopped in the middle of the episode and never picked it up again. I think it was even in the second season, they already lost me with this 😂

I love Candice Patton, but Iris infuriated me to my core. My biggest problem with Iris is the fact that she's for some reason always in the right. No matter what she does, no matter the negative impact, no matter if it is objectively a wrong decision/bad choice/shitty thing to do as a human being who supposedly cares about the people around her, she is pretty much not only immediately forgiven, but also, usually, told that they were wrong to tell her otherwise.

I really liked seasons 1-4, maybe since I was younger I enjoyed 4 a lot more than everyone else, then 5 I didn't mind, I saw it as a kind of aftermath since Netflix originally had 4's last episode titled as the "finale" and I found enjoyment in it, then 3 episodes into 6 and I gave up. I couldn't take it anymore it was horrible

Personally I think the show fell apart around season five. Season 4 was good in some ways but you could feel the change in the writing that was happening. You could tell that once they had a clean slate of a new season starting they would change a lot of the writing and it just became awful. All the visual stuff went to crap around season 5 even the main suits and then it somehow just kept getting worse.

I’m a die hard fan of the show and the Arrowverse but you nailed it with this one. I do not like Chester or Allegra. They add nothing to the show but we waste so much time with their side stories. And now they want to pair them up. We do not care! Seriously! Chester feels like a satire of what the writers think nerd culture is and Allegra had one of the worst stories last year where she ditched the assignment Iris gave her to write her own thing, felt like it was the piece piece of writing in the world, and when Iris called her out on it…she still let her do the story. WHAT?! God, I hate these two. They’ve dragged the show down.

I wonder if Smallville had any effect on how they handled superhero shows after that. Clark Kent was 100% the main character for nearly every episode of 10 seasons and that nearly killed Tom Welling. Wonder if they were trying to preserve their actors by spreading the load? Seems a little too nice for a studio though.

"Iris has no powers" Excuse me?! She obviously has the power of love and friendship!!

Although, the first time Wells says “run, Barry, run” gave me chills.

I wouldn't mind a 20-ish episode length if they did something with the filler to expand on the themes or characters and it's mostly done in the first and mid chunk of the season and focused on the main storyline from mid-to-end of the season. The first season did it well.

I'm currently at season 5 but I've been frustrated with the show since season 3. Most of the team's issues could be entirely avoided if they just talked to eachother. Every single episode there seems to be some miscommunication where someone is angry, storms out and then someone else says "I'll go talk to them". It's kinda bad if most tension could've been avoided if the cast weren't idiots.

I love the whole video but I’m gonna disagree with your take on savitar and zoom (especially zoom). Zoom didn’t just wanna be the fastest man alive, he was also just trying to be alive, the velocity 9 drug was killing him and with the flashes speed he would live a lot longer, and I loved the complete distinction of him compared to thawne of him being a total psychopath like real serial killers made a speedster. Savitar yeah sure kinda meh, but I can totally by the time remnant that wants revenge plot, so I thought it was good

While the side characters weren't always well written you can't say they were completely useless. If anything the problem was that they were too useful at the expense of the flash

what’s painful is that Grant is *so* good. he just has that look and emotion and snark that is all Barry Allen. I can’t imagine someone else doing what he does, and now he’s wasted in this show, and it’ll take ages until someone tries their hand on this kind of Flash story again, and it won’t be him. I like Flash in JL (the Zack Snider version) just fine, but there’s something about Grant that is perfect for this

Another thing, they wanted Arrow to be a role model for the Flash so they had to stop him from killing because the flash wouldn't be cool with that. But they should of not let Arrow kill in the first place to avoid this story conflict.

This is not just a problem with The Flash, or even just super hero shows in general. I've found a lot of tv series stuff so many characters and story lines into their plots, that it just becomes an unfocused, confusing mess.

Zoom wanted to live so he must consume more speed, Savitar wanted ensure his survival by creating the paradox, Devoe wanted to make the world dumb so he can teach everyone everything again or something.

This guy nailed it. Shares my exact frustration.

I agree. the thing that killed the show for me was when suddenly EVERY SINGLE ONE of the side characters had powers

1:04:14 what savitar means is that sometimes when altering time, if you alter something that ends up killing you for example, the speedforce will make it so that it doesn't affect you because the only way you died was from yourself which couldn't have happened if you didn't exist so it creates a paradox which the speedforce doesn't like so it may try to erase something that shouldn't exist from the moment that it's altered but not before it since prior events are the only way that thing can exist, this is exactly why the reverse flash still exists even though he was erased, literally what savitar was saying in this scene

I’ve literally never seen the flash, arrow, supergirl or any of these shows, but all I ever hear about them is about how their fan base hated what they did with the show that I rarely hear good things. As a game of thrones fan I sympathise however (cough cough, season 8,) but nice to know what all the downfall was about

Misfits is utterly fantastic. Glad to hear it being held up as such

Idk about everyone else, but I'd LOVE 22 episodes of a show... that was actually written well 🤷‍♀️

16:40 Chester isn't a metahuman, but for the rest, I totally see your point, it became an easy way to do something with characters that they don't know what to do with and it's so annoying

If the writers would let the fans write the show it would be a 10/10 💀💀💀