The Tragic Downfall of The Flash 

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Run, Barry! Run!
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0:00 Intro
1:36 Breakdown & Downfall
8:23 The Flash is not about The Flash anymore
22:02 The Barry Problem
31:46 The Iris Problem
41:42 The Villain Problem
50:41 The CW Problem
1:04:31 Conclusion
The Flash
Barry Allen
Eobard Thawne
Iris West
Cisco Ramon
Killer Frost
Reverse Flash
Grant Gustin
Carlos Valdes
Candice Patton
The CW
Stephen Amell
Oliver Queen
Felicity Smoak
Emily Bett Rickards
Melissa Benoist
Kara Danvers
Crisis On Infinite Earths




23 Eyl 2023




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nattyism 2 yıl önce
I never want to hear the words ‘Run Barry run’ again
Jedidiah Ukoko
Jedidiah Ukoko 2 yıl önce
Run Barry, Run😭
GarmrsBarking 2 yıl önce
Then have a... Run forrest run...
12morganna 2 yıl önce
Well, I agree, but you got to admit that saying '' dance Barry dance'' (or any other word that run) wouldn't have worked for him 🤣
Robin Mitchells
Robin Mitchells 2 yıl önce
And it’s always so serious, why can’t they say it enthusiastically or as a joke at least a couple times? Just to break up the monotomy.
Freeman 2 yıl önce
“Die Flash die!”
Michael Fraser
Michael Fraser 2 yıl önce
I find it fascinating how every CW superhero show has a good first season, a better second season, and then completely falls apart.
National nation
National nation 2 yıl önce
That’s why I’m worried for superman and Lois; however in arrows case it fell apart in season 4 Another special case is batwoman due to how bad it is
Michael Fraser
Michael Fraser 2 yıl önce
I don't know if I'd say Arrow season 4 was where it fell apart. More like season 4 was the crash caused by season 3 blowing the rails apart.
Hunter Krebel
Hunter Krebel 2 yıl önce
Supergirl might be the exception, since Season 2 was where the problems started to pop up and become more apparent.
Michael Fraser
Michael Fraser 2 yıl önce
@Hunter Krebel I’d concur there. I’d also say another exception is Black Lightning since that was consistently good throughout.
National nation
National nation 2 yıl önce
@Hunter Krebel I did like season 2 as it had a faithful superman
Taterz 6 aylar önce
the biggest issue with the series is that they didn't bother being consistent with the Flash's actual power. 90% of the villains on the show wouldn't be able to hold a candle to him.
Zoetje 5 aylar önce
For real, sometimes he’s faster than _lightning_ and others seems to be frozen in time. Other times it seems to be as fast as a bicycle.
LG HD TV- 5 aylar önce
Yeah he literally gets beaten by thugs and people with martial arts training. Even Batman couldn't defeat flash unless he predicted him.
twilightdream 5 aylar önce
Exactly, he should be super powerful but somehow keeps struggling with minor villains even now in season 9
KitKat270 5 aylar önce
YES! There's a whole channel that talks about this in the first three seasons of the flash, "The flash is terribly inconsistent" if you want to check it out. (Just fyi, he does swear a lot though).
Niko DelValle
Niko DelValle 4 aylar önce
I love how there's this one episode where Barry moves so fast they contain an entire episode in the space of a few seconds, and in another episode he gets tripped by marbles and then can't find the normal ass person who fled on foot literally seconds earlier.
ZERO 3 aylar önce
why dosent the flash just run at every villian at like 1000 mph and just blow a hole through their chest with a 1000 mph single punch??? like is there a reason given in the show for why he dosent just even just grab the bad guys at the speed of sound and put them in a maximum security prison cell within literally a single second?
Anna-Flora 3 aylar önce
He's not a murderer is the answer to the first one, and for the second one generally speaking a generic reason why the bad guy is totally a challenge
North_Shore-poly 3 aylar önce
Hes not a murderer, wth lol
Abedeus 3 aylar önce
Same reason Spider-Man just doesn't use all of his strength to smash every villain's head into a pulp... or why Batman just doesn't shoot the Joker, except that one comic.
Velocity 3 aylar önce
The same thing happens in comics and no one cares he lost to captain cold and others that shouldn’t be able to lay a finger on him
Only Yalix
Only Yalix 3 aylar önce
Literally no one wants to watch that
ThatAriesBloke 6 aylar önce
The CW forgot one small but incredibly important part of Barry as a character. Barry was incredibly lonely. Due to Professor Zoom's machinations, Barry grew up as a very lonely child, it took it to collage, having no roommate (Also Zoom) , and took it to work in his almost always solo role as a CSI. When he became the Flash, this intensified a million-fold. Because as the Flash, a single day could feel like a relative week. While he did learn to compensate for that, along with his initial massive calorific intake, via the Speed Force, and simply drawing energy from it, rather than simply trying to keep up. This is why he tried to make every interaction felt personal, every mission its own period of time in order to simply deal with 'time' as a relative factor, an odd quirk that seemingly always made Barry late for social events. So when Wally got the old spark of speed, he grabbed hold of the kid, as Wally could now understand the solitude, but never have to suffer it. ... Now make THAT series, and watch the fans flood back.
Diego Vargas
Diego Vargas 5 aylar önce
The CW instead gave the lonely hero an army of undeveloped friends to keep him company😊
Warui 5 aylar önce
From Barry's altered perception, the world is full of warm statues and roughly half of the speedsters who can keep up with him are villains who want him dead. Honestly that's horrifying.
KitKat270 3 aylar önce
@Warui Well but eerily put.
RedTail 1-1
RedTail 1-1 Aylar önce
They might make it. If they could understand half of what the hell you tried to say.
Jet Aylar önce
It would have been amazing if that's how they ended Season 8, where he has one of those confrontations with the speed force and it yells at him to tell the truth, that he hasn't been using his power properly and because of this, due to his selfishness of wanting to focus on his relationships and enjoy spending his time with everyone, others ended up suffering. That's where he could be honest and explain himself for the previous seasons ending with him becoming a near Godlike character and keeping the city safe. Then Season 9 could have been focused around his friends and WALLY trying to bring him back from just being the *fastest man alive* to being a father to his child and a mentor to wally who would then take up the mantle.
N¥LÃ CØRVỊN4 5 aylar önce
the main problem i had with the show was iris's character portrayal, she was arrogant self centered, and at times emotionally abusive towards berry. she was constantly using emotional manipulation to get berry to do whatever she wanted him to do. the whole relationship was toxic.
_Kenneth_ Aylar önce
I find it quite ironic that Barry has more chemistry with other characters than Iris
Sheer Will
Sheer Will Aylar önce
I kinda hoped Barry got with felicity, they had good chemistry and it would have been interesting to see.
Xehanort10 Aylar önce
@_Kenneth_ But if you point that out Iris fans call you racist.
Firefly Arc
Firefly Arc 17 saatler önce
i felt the same with her and caitlin@Sheer Will
RandomPlayer_117 6 aylar önce
As someone who still watches this show (mainly because my parents like it), I can confirm that most episodes go like this: Barry: *encounters a villain and stops to talk instead of apprehending them first, putting people in danger* Villain: *hits the flash with one attack after saying something, then escapes (teleports off screen miles away)* Barry: "the bad guy was too strong, we stand no chance unless we get some random invention or idea even though I can instantly K.O them b4 they even know im there" *Meanwhile a side plot is going on, usually involving Iris getting dragged to a random dimension or just straight up getting kidnapped* team flash member *gives a quick pep talk* Barry: *stops to talk but actually wins this time* *dramatic cliffhanger* then next episode we disregard the life lesson barry or someone learns to teach it to them again later and then there's the usual season nowdays Beginning: A new meta or group is found, or some weird things are occuring, and they realize something or someone is behind it Barry encounters the big bad, STILL stops to talk, then gets curb stomped and beaten up like he's in kick the buddy a tiny bit of filler new suit improvements (i miss the leather) Middle: Iris gets kidnapped character development, and new characters are introduced, but we all know they're really just reskins of old and better characters who left the show *side characters get powers for no good reason* 3 side plots begin another big bad encounter, and the team learns more abt them, with the evil guy usually having a somewhat sad backstory which most of the time doesn't justify their actions end of middle: bad guys identity is revealed end: Iris gets saved and the side plots either end or get left on a cliffhanger (also they stopped a bad guy, and someone either died or left) but wait THERE"S MORE a new villain or group gets introduced and the cycle repeats I am sleep deprived, goodbye
BobRooney 4 aylar önce
that's the whole point. make it pointless and drag it along for years and years and years until it's become completely unwatchable and completely lame. the finale sucked so hard. seriously, these writers should never be hired for any other show. it was the worst writing ever.
RandomPlayer_117 4 aylar önce
@BobRooney I can indeed confirm that the finale sucked so much ass, most of the villains shouldn’t have gotten beaten that easily, it felt half baked and rushed
Rabia 4 aylar önce
​@RandomPlayer_117ikr? I'm bummed Cisco didn't make a cameo but not even that would've saved the finale
RandomPlayer_117 4 aylar önce
@Rabia I can agree with that
Nojo 3 aylar önce
That’s honestly how the show has always been, the villains are so incompetent and most of them aren’t anymore than just people with guns, but the flash and star labs are also so incompetent that the villains get away at least 2 or 3 times for each of them, the villains actually have plot armor minus Savitar who waits forever to stab someone who is already down on the ground and by the time he’s ready someone closes the box and seals him away. Flash literally had so many chances to catch Captain Cold in season one but just doesn’t and instead let’s star labs come up with over complicated and dumb plans that don’t work (like forcing CC and his friend to shoot their guns at each other instead of, you know, knocking them out and/or transporting them) I think the show has always been stupid but that’s just my opinion
des2knee Yıl önce
I loved Barry as a forensic expert. I was expecting him to juggle his job and superhero duties. But like immediately he is a full time superhero.
Laws' of Lycurgus
Zek Kiel Their day to day's allowed the world feel okay as soon as they started throwing full time crime stopping duties the show started having dumb scenarios for them to be in.
Slevin Channel
Slevin Channel Yıl önce
@Laws' of Lycurgus The Show had always bad writing, evidend by Madvocate making an hour-long Criticism-Video about it.
Amaan Momin
Amaan Momin Yıl önce
No Fr tho they literally forgot all about his day job we only saw forensic shit in like season 1 and that’s it
IHMyself Yıl önce
YES, I was also really hoping for more forensic expert stuff.
PsyrenXY Yıl önce
Lucifer did the "meta surrounded by regular humans with a steadily growing cast" way better than Flash did, AND it had a satisfying ending. Thank god it was never on the CW
Enzo Rocha
Enzo Rocha 3 aylar önce
The "bargain visual effects aren't the problem, poor writing is" argument is so spot-on, it sums up every bad season perfectly. It costs nothing to write proper build-ups, tension, stakes, character motivation, and every established storycrafting technique that grabs and keeps an audience engaged episode to episode. Consistency also costs nothing but costs everything if one screws it up. This show needed a visionary showrunner with the mettle of, say, Vince Gilligan or Eric Kripke, paired with a network that believes in them. Never liked Berlanti, but that's just me.
Klevisa Bashalli
Klevisa Bashalli 27 gün önce
Well it does… It costs good writers and we know WC has none of that
Klevisa Bashalli
Klevisa Bashalli 27 gün önce
Omg, did I accidentally mistake the letters of the CW to write 🚾 🚽??!
Klevisa Bashalli
Klevisa Bashalli 27 gün önce
Oh no…
Megamanlanprime 6 aylar önce
I don’t mind the idea that Barry occasionally relapses (heck if I remember right, Flashpoint is triggered more by a moment of weakness with Barry trying to save his mom when he should have accepted that couldn’t happen), but I think the issue isn’t the occasional relapse, it’s that it literally feels like his character learns and lesson and then resets because “the status quo is supreme” and not something you should be constantly building on…
Malachi 2 aylar önce
I would point out that Team Flash in season one is even smaller than it appears, since Wells isn't actually a true member in that season - being the villain and all. Yes he fills the role, but halfway through the season we learn the truth and that flips his entire dynamic on its head. Plus, that actually makes Team Flash a useful plot element, with the betrayal, rather than the drag it became later.
Fireheart 3 aylar önce
honestly for iris, she could have worked as a main character if they leaned more into her journalist/investigator job, imagine if she was the one that found cicada, she was the one who figured out who savitar was, who reverse flash was? but in a way that made her seem like a skilled investigator, which considering she was raised by a cop, her being good at that isnt hard to believe, and in turn, we wouldnt have needed that ridiculous french sherloque. Iris could be the person to show that you dont need superpowers to be a hero, which is what the earlier seasons of the cw arrowverse were a bit better in portraying.
Toast_In_A_Bucket 3 aylar önce
25:49 Whilst you are right in saying he is a badass, I think that what makes Barry such a good character in general is the fact that he cares In the animated series, he knew every person he saved by name, lived in an apartment with barely any furniture, he prioritised saving and helping people - even villains - over his own interests and any semblance of glory (Such as the Flash museum) And personally I don't think they did that iteration justice in the Arrowverse But I feel like they tried And ended up making him reliant on a lot of other characters which defeats the point of this dude with superspeed who turns out to be *just a random millennial with superspeed and a good heart saving a whole city all by himself*
Marcell2aG Yıl önce
Grant Gustin is a fantastic Flash, but I've always noticed how they never let him fully utilize Barry's sense of humor in the show. He sometimes felt more like Barry when he guest starred on Arrow or Supergirl.
Chanique Yıl önce
I completely agree!! Barry is so funny in a way that no one else is. Not only his humor but his intelligence seems to be more remembered on the other shows (earlier) I mean I get it because the other characters fill roles but damn can he get a little slice of something 😓
Mr. Cheese🧀
Mr. Cheese🧀 Yıl önce
I love Grant Gustin as The Flash bro… it’s a shame how the show he’s in isn’t as incredible as he is lmao
Aisha_Luv! Yıl önce
In just the bloopers he's so charismatic and funnu wtf
So Sleepy
So Sleepy Yıl önce
@Chanique because they force all the intelligence stuff to wells cisco and caitlyn when in reality barry can do everything they do in less than a second. that's why the whole team thing sucks because they put all this focus on the useless side characters that add nothing to the story when someone like barry can easily work solo and do everything faster by himself
old man mark 09
old man mark 09 Yıl önce
Barry is not the funny one that was wally west when he became flash after Barry died
Mika Rose
Mika Rose 4 aylar önce
Grant Gustin is the Flash for me as well. Season 1 is a fantastic season. As a big Flash fan of both Barry and Bart, it was so awesome to see Barry brought to life.
Brett Martin
Brett Martin 4 aylar önce
The power inconsistencies are also a thing in the comics. At one point it's stated that the reason the main Rogues (Captain Cold, Heatwave, Mirror Master, etc) are still around is because both they and Flash treat their battles almost like a game, and Flash is holding way back
Gatekeeper201 4 aylar önce
Season 1 was a quirky, yet oddly charming start to the series. Sure it had it’s flaws, but it’s episodic format and overarching story managed to pull me in. This was at a time I knew nothing about the Flash as a character and this show introduced me to Barry Allen for the first time. I was hooked on the first season and was eagerly anticipating the s2 premiere after the finale. However, you could detect the tonal shift by episode 2 of the second season and it never really recovered after that. I kept waiting and waiting through seasons 2 and 3 for it to return to the fun and quirky show that pulled me in, but it never did. I gave up watching regularly after season 3 and binged watched season 4 when it came out on Netflix. But after season 4 teased a return to it’s previous format but ultimately failed to deliver, I finally tuned out. It’s kinda sad thinking back on it.
The Warrior of Dorkness
I so badly hated Iris in this show that it was the first time I had to struggle to separate the actor from the character. Normally, I just...can do that. But Patton's face being so inextricably linked to the character I most hated in that show for so long made it difficult. Just like Gustin is the Flash in a positive way, Patton is Iris in a negative way. And that shit with Nora and Thawne did not make it easier.
kekemc 24 gün önce
this is how i felt about Danielle Panabakers characters
Hypersonic456 3 aylar önce
I really loved season 2, possibly more than season 1, i really enjoyed zoom and his character arc in the show because he was basically the dark version of barry, his mom died but unlike barry he had no one to go to which is why he's evil, he sort of lashed out against the world and lost the feeling to care about people until he meets Caitlin which makes him think that maybe he doesn't have to be alone but after she rejects becoming evil with him, all he cares about is being as powerful as he can be so he can destroy the world that took everything from him
Adebola Adedoyin
Adebola Adedoyin Yıl önce
For me it's the repetitive, someone gets upset and leaves the room, and then the group looks at each other intensely and decides who is going to have the heart to heart. One person goes to talk to the upset person and then the issue is "resolved." Happens at least twice an episode.
go Yıl önce
Classic CW
iamchrispaezjr Yıl önce
Joey A
Joey A Yıl önce
And the upset person never seems to make it past the hallway before its resolved. Relationships are easy in CW land.
marie Yıl önce
What I hated was the fact that messing with time and creating new timelines or universes was such a cop out. Whenever the show wrote itself into a corner, it basically rebooted itself
Ajla F
Ajla F Yıl önce
Fr and they ALWAYS say " i got it"
Vivian Goldstein
Vivian Goldstein 22 gün önce
Thank you for putting this all into one video. I felt so many of these problems in those first seasons, and it’s sort of validating to hear someone agree. I hate so much when shows have a special character concept, and just extend it to everyone in the cast (looking at you Vampire Diaries), and the villains were so insanely underpowered to Barry it was like, “What are we doing here?” Also, Pretty Little Liars was my SFR.
LeiaKasta 6 aylar önce
I'll say in defense of Cisco becoming Vibe, it at least was something somewhat planned in season 1. I think he could've been more interesting as Vibe if they'd handled him better after seasons 1 and 2.
Jaycie Victory
Jaycie Victory 5 aylar önce
Oh I totally forgot Thawne's ancestor committed suicide to erase him! That was the most incredible goosebumps moment! I remember crying my eyes out for Eddie, and Candice's reaction. Damn. I hate that they undercut that later.
Dad 3 aylar önce
Having only seen the first "run Barry, RUN" moment, I quite liked that scene. Nice to see they beat it to death.
Purple Tigress
Purple Tigress 6 aylar önce
Agree with your take on Iris, personally I never even shipped her and Barry romantically never saw the chemistry, especially since they had the foster sibling dynamic
GippyHappy Yıl önce
Barry: I can’t do it Everyone: have you tried running very fast? Barry: *runs very fast* Barry: I did it
Glisten Yıl önce
Barry's arc: Goes from a character who runs fast to a character who runs faster
ktwinkybeatz 22
ktwinkybeatz 22 Yıl önce
Or how he messes up and gives up until he is talked back into it with a very.long.talk. It's like some writer wants us to know why they won a writing certificate in 10th grade.
Toast Boi
Toast Boi Yıl önce
*Wanna see me do it again?*
WlatPziupp Yıl önce
​@Glisten Then someone else runs even faster, then some Flash ally runs fast but not quite as fast, then the whole team has powers and terrible costumes, then someone runs faster and Barry runs faster again! After watching a few CW shows, usually stopping when I realize I haven't watched it in a while and don't really care, I've learned my lesson to just bail on purpose at the third "oh come on now this is dumb". They always fuck it up with hokey drama, completely changing everything that made it fun in the beginning, and rapid repetitive power creep. Arrow started out with a guy who went pretty nuts after spending ages alone on an island, becoming a violent and murderous vigilante. Step by step they introduced new shit he did on the island until he actually spent a couple of days alone on the island, completely rewriting the whole premise, and defeating his foes with the power of friendship. Of course he, the brooding loner, gets a huge team of buddy buddy also superpowered vigilantes going on wacky adventures together. Of course there's also endless poorly written drama between them. AND THEY STOPPED DOING THE SALMON LADDER WORKOUT SCENES! Those were so fucking tasty
@Glisten super easy, barely an inconvenience
Michael Maguire
Michael Maguire 6 aylar önce
I think the netflix marvel shows actually showcase a big problem with how television is(was?) made. When the shows were greenlit, a certain number of episodes was ordered (13) and then the show has to fill that vacant space like pouring water into a glass. The problem with that is that then the story has to stretch and/or compress in order to fit the void. This means that even a small number of episodes can feel like too many because the pacing was determined by the episode count and not the needs of the story. With shows like the flash it tednded to show itself more in "filler episodes" and in situations where the budget of one episode is sacrificed for another (like when they did that sharkman vs gorilla grod episode, you could actually tell that earlier episodes had been written around not using special effects so that money could go to the shark vs monkey fight.)
Kyler Rolston
Kyler Rolston 6 aylar önce
Hearing about the "Speed Force constructs" are what killed any desire to continue the series in me. I never even finished season 7 after learning about them. I saw the footage of it ands was like, "Uh, when did running fast turn into being green lantern?"
Biggie Trismegistus
Biggie Trismegistus 4 aylar önce
I haven't seen any of the Flash beyond the first season but I've been reading the comics since before the speed force as a concept was created. "Speed Force constructs" is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.
REZR 5 aylar önce
One main issue was the lack of presence of the flashs rouges gallery. It truly had some really good villains but the cw kinda forgot about them. Captain cold for example, would have made a terrific villain but he was caught up in another cw nightmare...
Jakob Nunez
Jakob Nunez 6 aylar önce
When Eobard confronted cisco seconds after he found out he was the reverse flash, was amazing! because Eobard was just terrifying in the first season.
SirEriol 4 aylar önce
Every time I learn about the production of every CW show, I get more and more grateful for Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. Truly. A miracle. Because nobody watched that show while it was airing, but it kept getting good reviews and winning awards. It was that one rare time where the CW actually tried to make something great.
Rabia 4 aylar önce
Your comment is refreshing. I never see anyone or hardly anyone talk about Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. That show was such a gem and it got to finish when Rachel and Aline wanted it to. Iirc Rachel set out to tell a 4-5 season story and she did just that! I didn't like the rushed ending but it's by far one of the best, if not, the best show to air on The CW in the last decade. Maybe ever. I hope that it gets even more fans from it being on Netflix.
SirEriol 3 aylar önce
@Rabia I understand what you mean, not enough people have experienced that show. I do think Rebecca Bunch is one of the best written characters that television has offered in the last 20 years. People tend to disregard comedy as a facile form of entertainment, but man, does this show has layers. And poopie jokes, but mostly layers. I don't think the ending was truly rushed, but rather that it comes across that way because of the abruptness of the time jump. Perhaps I'd change my opinion or double down on it when I get to rewatch that show with my friends!
M. 3 aylar önce
@SirEriol LOW . CW has been canceled. GET WOKE GO BROKE
sienna 🎧💌
sienna 🎧💌 2 aylar önce
@M.define woke
sienna 🎧💌
sienna 🎧💌 2 aylar önce
respect vampire diaries and the originals
Kung Lao’s Hat
Kung Lao’s Hat 2 yıl önce
I actually think that Iris could have worked really well if they leaned into the reporter thing more from the beginning. I only saw seasons 1 and 2 of Daredevil, but Karen Page always felt like what Iris should have been. A regular person who didn’t need powers or incredible combat training or genius intellect to go up against bad guys. Someone with street smarts, empathy and determination to uncover the truth and expose corruption. That would have given her a unique niche on Team Flash instead of forcing her into becoming the team leader (for some reason) or a speedster.
Bryce Cross
Bryce Cross 2 yıl önce
They should've leaned into it at the very least by S3, but they didn't until....S6?
Slospop112 2 yıl önce
I 100% agree, Karen was Matt's love interest, but she was still her own person outside of this relationship. She was a 3 dimensional character with her own goals, she made mistakes and actually had to suffer the consequences of those mistakes. She never needed any powers to contribute, and never tries to take the spotlight away from everyone else. Nothing ever feels forced and we actually care about her. Also I highly recommend watching Daredevil Season 3
Captain Charisma
Captain Charisma 2 yıl önce
Like Lois in Superman and Lois. She’s awesome
sKy Dreamer
sKy Dreamer 2 yıl önce
@Captain Charisma true. Unlike Lois, Iris felt so force
Memri oxox
Memri oxox 2 yıl önce
@Captain Charisma omg thank u! Lois in SandL is amazing
varicosevisage 6 aylar önce
I think CW Flash really blew it's load early in the first season. So much happened that could've been used thought multiple seasons that it felt like they peaked before even really starting
B L 5 aylar önce
I definitely think they could’ve delayed adding the time travel aspect to the show
Michael Maguire
Michael Maguire 6 aylar önce
I disagree with the point about "they keep giving people powers" because you have it backwards (for most of the characters) they are introduced BECAUSE they are super powered characters from the comics. The writers are just trying to do the thing where we (the audience) meet them before they had powers. Now, the way that they go about it isn't great, and gets worse and worse as the seasons go on. I think the problem here has more to do with the writers not knowing what to do with them once their powers are introduced than the fact that they have powers at all.
JinxySaberK 5 aylar önce
Tragic is the perfect word to describe this show. S1 and 2 was so promising I only wish it got better. I think that's what people miss when talking about the flash. We ALL had hope that s1 and 2 was setting the stage for the show to find it's footing and and then get really good but the creators went the opposite direction
David Aston
David Aston 2 aylar önce
@FriendlySpace This IS a video I have NEVER forgotten. Simply because you hit it on the nail PERFECTLY and echo so many truths about modern TV and movie writing, I've felt about for a long time. And sadly, about the Flash and Arrow. Since this video was uploaded your spot on wisdom has been proven right in so many movies and TV shows since. CW was once a fantastic place for comic book fans and created a superb TV universe. Their "Crisis" event was a true treat for fans because they bought back a lot of universes and actors from the past. CW actually beat MCU to the multi verse by many years as well as proving these characters CAN work in the same screen together. But, as shown in this video, somewhere along the way CW started to become lazy and it's CLEAR even the actors on The Flash and Arrow started to look either bored or aware they were being served with substandard material. You can even tell it on their faces or body language. SURELY it's not rocket science to realise that adding new characters constantly will choke and damage main characters? When it was literally up to 9 characters made up of main and supporting characters the show had balance. It flowed and paced well. The audience ARE NOT STUPID. And their patience isn't limitless. Hollywood clearly looks down on us. Tragic because, as the Flash and Arrow showed, when you have the audience on your side, it creates a result where we're winners. Worst of all? CW betrayed the great actors who worked so hard to start the CW universe from the start. David
Malachi 2 aylar önce
If I recall correctly, in the Injustice comics Flash is assertive enough to TURN HIS BACK ON SUPERMAN. I know that isn't the main timeline, and it takes several pretty horrible events, but it's such a ways from this Flash that needs everyone to hold his hand.
CallMeCloby Yıl önce
I think the phrase “Run Barry, run.” worked well ONLY with the Reverse Flash. It was first a sort of encouraging phrase from him to Barry before he revealed he was the Reverse Flash, but then it became almost a way of mocking him and I loved that in Season 1. Buuuut now anyone says it sooooo…. Yeah
Why this happend? ?
I love season 1, it's actually interesting compared to the rest, but i think the issue also came from there as the formula they use in every single episode coming after that is just the same but getting worse each time, the fights in season 1 actually carried weight as they tested barry's and his team's strenght (as well as speed) and sometimes, they would force the main villain to do smth (like how Eobart was almost forced to use his speed to run away from the electric lad). Now it all feels like an anime filler episode
Ivanna Claudette
Ivanna Claudette Yıl önce
The fucking dog next door: Run Barry run
Sofie Yıl önce
@Ivanna Claudette 😂😂😂
SkyGuardian Yıl önce
POV: They're actually mocking him.
Sogeking Simp
Sogeking Simp Yıl önce
I actually think it works well with Barry's dad too and arguably Joe. Barry's dad telling him to run works well cause he was just a kid, and Eobard coming back and saying it to him as his mentor adds a connection to the 2 for Barry. Eobard is his mentor and idol and is repeating the same line thst Barry's father said to him when he was just a kid. As you said, its like reverse flash is mocking Barry. I wouldn't be surprised if he heard Barry's dad say that the night Nora died and holds that over Barry as encouragement and a reason to stay angry at him and get faster. And I think Joe saying it works because Joe is that new father figure in his life. It only works like twice though. I think it's fitting for him to say it after zoom kills Henry to give us that sense of a passing of the torch moment almost.
Drift Wood
Drift Wood 3 aylar önce
I agree with you 100%, I couldn’t put my finger on it but to me I couldn’t find out why, but it became a chore sometimes watching the episodes and I gave up a lot earlier I would say after season 2 and then came back and forth, catching episodes here and there, and just reading up on the flash. For me, I think the big thing was also Wally West wasn’t cast properly. I’m used to the strawberry blonde, geeky prankster, and I could just never really get across the way CW went with casting. Wally West, or just wasn’t true to the comic.
Andrew Lewis
Andrew Lewis 6 aylar önce
Wow, I haven’t watched Flash since Season 3, and I had no idea how bad the show looks in recent seasons. You hit the nail on the head, that whole segment with Godspeed absolutely looked and sounded like Power Rangers. And leave it to the Arrowverse stunt choreographers to take characters with little to no melee combat focus and shoehorn in an “epic” sword fight, because that’s all they know how to shoot, or at least that’s all they’re interested in shooting.
Elanor Niennandilme
Elanor Niennandilme 3 aylar önce
I remember back when I watched the show (stopped somewhere in season 2 or 3), I watched a podcast episode on it and one of the hosts described the plot affectionately as "Barry, you have to run" - "How fast?" - "Like, really really fast", and I still think about that a lot Also, the first iteration of Wells/Thawne was great (casual ableism in the portrayal aside) and as much as I loved Thomas Cavanagh for it, I hated how they kept bringing him back, he was just a completely different character with nothing of what I enjoyed about him in the first place. But hey, we have the same face in the team.
Ddl 5 aylar önce
I was pretty young when the flash first dropped, and I remember watching it with my family. I loved it cause it was a comic show, but they liked it cause it was just solid television. We’d watch it on a weekly basis til Barry got to the alternate universe shenanigans. There was Cisco turning into vibe and killer frost and all these things that were cool, but right after it even like 8-9 year old me started noticing the repetitive formula after the big event.
Adam Barnes
Adam Barnes Aylar önce
The arrowverse as a whole has fell apart (for me at least) but it has also produced some of the best superhero content that I've ever seen and I can easily go back and rewatch it
Jade Nostromo
Jade Nostromo 2 yıl önce
I have a feeling Grant Gustin is extremely grateful for those episodes where he doesn't need to do anything. He (and most of the main cast) have probably settled into the Ackles/Padalecki 'paycheck' phase of their job, they know the show isn't good but it's paying for the mortgage.
Tom Lawal
Tom Lawal 2 yıl önce
Not Ackles/Padalecki being an adjective
Ander Garcia
Ander Garcia 2 yıl önce
Friendly space ninja needs to make a video on supernatural also.
Dave102693 2 yıl önce
Finally a SPN who admits the show has been trash for a significant amount of its runtime!!!
JHE 2 yıl önce
@Dave102693 after season 5 spn was a hellhole
Dave102693 2 yıl önce
@JHE facts. I stop watching altogether after season 9. The first 5 seasons were height of the series.
K 2 aylar önce
27:57 I don’t think it was a matter of unlearning the lesson, I think it was because he was a young and immature speedster that even though he was warned not to, losing his dad right in front of him when he just got released pushed him over the edge. He even admitted before he did it that he was broken inside. So he knew that it was the wrong thing to do and the consequences are dyer, but his emotions got the better of him. It was really a case of “F*ck around and find out”, and he did.
Widur 5 aylar önce
Honestly, i don't get why the didn't try to follow more on how Smallville told the story of Superman. I think it works much better as a long running show, because it had a clear goal in mind. Who does Clark Kent go from a High Schooler to the Superman we know. I don't say Smallville was perfect, but it was much better than all of the CW shows.
Sebastian 4 aylar önce
Barry revealing that he is the flash to his mom is easily the best scene in the whole show.
_Kenneth_ Aylar önce
I cried in that scene 😭
Shane N.
Shane N. 3 aylar önce
My main issue with this series is that each season had too many episodes, 23-26 each season. It made inevitable that we would get a lot of filler. It was a big reason I stopped after season 4. Bring it down to 12 or 13 episodes a season, and you could have a more cohesive and better paced story.
DarkEclipse23 3 aylar önce
That’s how Stargirl made it before Gunn axed it.
Christopher Taylor
Its really hard to write the Flash, because his speed should solve pretty much everything within a few minutes of the intro. So his speed varies tremendously not just from episode to episode but from scene to scene. He can either dodge bullets, or cannot dodge a punch, depending on what the writer wants to do.
Razanon Yıl önce
They should have stuck with Flash's rogue gallery being oddly light hearted and sympathetic. Like, I remember a scene from the comics where Trickster is causing trouble but Flash asks him if he has been taking his meds. Not as an insult, seriously asking him and Trickster reveals he hasn't. Flash talks him down and gets him help. I loved that scene. Flash actually knows his villains and cares about the why behind their issues. Scenarios like that would have been awesome to see in the show.
JamesPolymer Yıl önce
YES. Even the _Justice League: Unlimited_ cartoon included this plot point in one episode. Even better, the Trickster is voiced by Mark "The Joker" Hamill. =)
Xil J
Xil J Yıl önce
I just want them to point to the ADHD, and they don't have to come up with excuses why he can dodge a bullet then runs into a punch. Barry is late again, Barry forgot he can throw lightning again because he was focusing on pure speed, Barry got analysis paralysis again because his brain sees a hundred steps to a simple task. I know Impulse is more often portrayed as stereotypical ADHD kid, but Arrowverse Barry fits an adult who learnt to cope, it's not a rare thing, and saying it runs in the family is realistic.
ChaosPrototypeIX Yıl önce
Crazy idea: villains arent obvious attention vvhores but instead intelligent criminals who avoid lime light and Barry with his forensic skills (you know, his actual job) and with the help of the team he needs to figure out who is the criminal. Meanwhile the rest of the time writers can actually explore characters in the show and their relationships. Just because Barry is fast and superhero that doesnt mean that is all there it is to be in the show.
JamesPolymer Yıl önce
@ChaosPrototypeIX That's actually an excellent idea. One Flash rogue with plenty of potential here is Murmur, a former surgeon turned serial killer who's trademark is removing his victim's tongue. They could also go the route _Batman: Arkham City_ took and revamp some of their villains to be more realistic/serious; for example, turning Calendar Man into a serial killer.
Vinicius Tavares
Vinicius Tavares 4 aylar önce
I can never understand the 20+ episodes model being an issue in of itself. As you pointed it out, there are shows that make it work, because at the end of the day it comes down to writing. If the writing is good, people will keep wanting more (until they don't which is usually a testament to the shows longevity and not to the number of episodes of each season). Hell, The Flash's current season is a great example. 10 episodes less than the previous season yet it still sucks because the writing still sucks.
VeteranRedBeard 2 aylar önce
The problem with this flash is this... In order to have enough going on to fill a whole tv show, they couldnt just focus on one character. So they had to make a team. The only way a team will work is if the flash needs them. The only way for him to need them is for him to never evolve and shed the team, so he stuck in a constant "need help" state. The flash is constantly dealing with other dc characters in the comics, but they dont have the rights. So the show itself is what makes him a bad flash.
Pointblank0303 4 aylar önce
I still remember watching the season one finale and being in tears when Barry had to let his mom die, I stopped watching midway through season 4 and I’m kinda happy I did. Watching these characters become cardboard cutouts and cliches was too much.
BloodRider 1914
BloodRider 1914 3 aylar önce
I watched seasons 1 and 2 back when they came out, and I really liked both of them. Season 3 was a bit boring, and I got distracted by other stuff. I am glad to see that I got out at the perfect time
JadedEmperor 4 aylar önce
I love the fact that most people dropped the show entirely during Chida season I agree with a lot of the things you said the only thing I don’t agree with is that season 1 is the only good season, season 2 is pretty good in my opinion the only thing bad about season 2 was the zoom reveal
Alex P
Alex P Yıl önce
The inconsistency I found most hilarious is one episode where he is able to run to China and back in a few seconds, but in the next, he is unable to run across a large vestibule and back in time to prevent a villain from running out the door.
Tanvir Ali
Tanvir Ali Yıl önce
Is that the Goldberg episode?
Alex P
Alex P Yıl önce
@Tanvir Ali I don’t remember it that detailed. *spoiler alert* it was when he was in prison, and while the camera was off him, he ran his cell mate to China and returned before the camera rotated around again. Then one or two episodes later, someone distracts him by dropping civilians from the upper floor, and he doesn’t have time to run across the lobby and save them before the villain escapes. I think he actually runs slower than a regular human sprinter in that scene, just with the lightning effects added.
Tanvir Ali
Tanvir Ali Yıl önce
@Alex P Yeah it was the fucking Goldberg lol. Flash really had the weirdest inconsistencies like The final battle with Savitar who's like The fastest Guy ever but Jay , Barry And Wally caught up to him like he was a regular speedster. Also the plot of Wally being faster than Barry never went anywhere. It's so damn frustrating and that's why I dropped it after S4.
Relo Yıl önce
@Alex P You'll love the new episodes. You know that whole time traveling thing Barry loves to do and loads of speedsters semi-regularly do? Apparently Barry goes "evil" finds out it was reverse Flash manipulating the timeline to make him the flash and Barry the reverse flash (without explaining how) but to undo that Barry needs to time travels which suddenly causes the earth to break into pieces. (Why now? Who knows.)
Daniel Brian
Daniel Brian Yıl önce
@Tanvir Ali They never said he was faster, just that he adapted to his speed faster than Barry did. And apparently almost everyone that gains speed does… Having said that, would we really want to watch a show where every new speedster is much much slower than Flash?
Kevin Gallagher
Kevin Gallagher 2 aylar önce
I can't believe the tagline you chose for the video. After this many seasons and the overall quality of the show, I still consider this show as a major success. Every major flash villain showed up at least once and most were fun to watch. Arrow lost it's edge early in comparison due to using it to launch legends.
Wispy 6 aylar önce
I started watching the flash a few weeks ago. I absolutely loved seasons 1-3. I think the CGI was alright "for it's time" but pretty much since i started to watch season 4 it felt like the writing quickly changed or the writer was changed. I didn't like the thinker, i felt like it was a very slow build up to nothing, i feel like the sentence of "The last full season i watched altogether was season 3" is so relatable. I can only watch a couple at a time with the later seasons. I'm on season 7 and it's okay but no way near as good as the beginning of the series. The inconsistencies' with capturing bad guys where he literally just talks to them when he could've easily captured them or completely forgetting he is literally THE FASTEST MAN ALIVE.
MusicLover_KB Aylar önce
OMG u're a 1st time viewer? Me too but r u watching the Arrowverse in general or just the Flash? I'm watching the Arrowverse in general, I just watched Crisis On Earth X and loved it. Post-Earth X, I decided to save the rest of Flash season 4 for last, I'm finishing the 3rd season of Supergirl right now
Enache Paul Iulian
Enache Paul Iulian 29 gün önce
Watched the first 4 seasons(never finished the 4th) the 1st was intresting and got me watching ...the 2nd i liked Zoom he was menacing honestly i thought he was some kind of undead speedster at 1st that was consumed by those speed ghosts(wich would have been awesome btw) then things started going downhill i mean the killerfrost kinda made sense with her metagene freezing her heart turning her into a psychopath but they pushed that plotline too fast amd too strong i mean losing all emotions doesn't technicly automaticly turn you into a homocidal maniac you still need that special spark to push you into that direction(gues they noticed that later since they added the multiple personalities bs lnd ended up causing eaven more confusion meh glad i stoped at season 4)
WeerdMunkee 5 aylar önce
I'd like to go back one day and count every single time Barry "lost his powers". They wore the HELL out of that plot device! Not to mention Barry's penchant for defeating the enemy with love and understanding, which let's face it, was more than likely a budgetary tactic to save money on special fx...regardless, the show had run its course and I was about to give up on it anyways lol
A youtube commenter
A youtube commenter 6 aylar önce
I really hate how the show never made Barry into the Flash and what I mean by this is that, it's forgivable that the support crew played more of an active role during the first 2 seasons perhaps. But in season 3 and onwards, the show never allowed Barry to grow into the Flash. He always needs to get coached, almost as if he could never operate on his own, almost as if the writers didn't know that the Flash usually operated on his own.
Lauryne Amanda
Lauryne Amanda 2 yıl önce
Like Syndrome said, “Once everyone’s super, no one will be.”
Memri oxox
Memri oxox 2 yıl önce
The Incredibles?
Shivansh NA
Shivansh NA 2 yıl önce
@Memri oxox yes
Jash 2 yıl önce
no why would no one be super that makes no sense
Jojo Bizarre Livingstone
@Jash 🤦‍♂️
Abbas Zaidi
Abbas Zaidi 2 yıl önce
​@Jash What exactly made Flash extraordinary? It was because he was unique and not many others were gifted. Then everybody gets powers and he became just ordinary. Sure he's fast but his powers don't make him special anymore. Super means amazing. The reason superpowers are super is because not everybody gets them. To give another example, why is coal worth so little compared to diamonds? It's not only because of how dull it is. Coal is useful for starting fires but it isn't rare. Google says there's over 1.06 trillion tonnes of proven coal reserves worldwide. You can't sell it as something amazing when it's so common Hope I explained it well. LMK if your still confused and which part you don't get
Jarlie34 5 aylar önce
nothing will ever come close to the joy i felt watching s1-2 flash.
Puppet_Mqrker 2 aylar önce
Can we all admit season 2 and 3 were actually good? The way the villians were pieced together was great imo. Their backgrounds, how their backgrounds made them how they were as supervillians, etc. I will admit, some of the things that happened werent....great. But, the first 3 seasons were very very good and s2 and s3 deserve more love.
Ghostly One
Ghostly One 5 aylar önce
I'd say Savitars intro was great, him punking Barry didn't just actually look good but it was actual fighting too, instead of playing tag all over the city for three minutes without a single blow exchanged. And then things teetered off.
Sea Bassist
Sea Bassist 4 aylar önce
I absolutely loved season 1-4, I thought 5 was also good and the villain was phenomenal, 6 was pretty enjoyable but a noticeable drop in quality and then I quit halfway through season 7
Ben 2 aylar önce
I think batwoman is the only show that can get away with the “team” aspect, because the Bat family is such an integral part of the bat universe
Poseidon785 2 yıl önce
Barrry fights a villian. He fails. He sulks. He gets a pep talk. He beats the villian. This is the main go to for every single episode. I gave up on the series in season 5.
Brody 9984
Brody 9984 2 yıl önce
Barry every season: I need to get faster
Xehanort10 2 yıl önce
They've now added "Instead of fighting criminals Barry just says "Don't do it" and runs off without knocking out or jailing them naively thinking they'll instantly reform."
Brody 9984
Brody 9984 2 yıl önce
After season 4 it just gets meh
Brody 9984
Brody 9984 2 yıl önce
At least with arrow they changed up the formula
Jeffrey Riley
Jeffrey Riley 2 yıl önce
I gave up in Season 4 when they beautifully established the Thinker then they killed off the actor playing him the next episode!!!
Alex D
Alex D 3 aylar önce
One point about Reverse Flash... Bringing him back, is probably the only true to the comic thing the writers did... Eobard is literally immortal in a way... He cannot be erased from the timeline, because he is crucial to the space continuum... If he is killed or destroyed or whatever, the universe will find a way to bring him back... He exists in all timelines and parallel universes simultaniously... He is literally unkillable or at least a version of him...
Chingiz 6 aylar önce
Man. This guy's taste in music is freaking bomb. Every intro slaps harder than before
Lightning Bolt
Lightning Bolt Aylar önce
Caitlyn should have become a full on villain and could have made an entire season revolving around Killer Frost and trying to save Caitlyn and bring her back. Now that would have been cool and interesting. Seeing Barry wrestle against a foe who is actually a friend. Instead, I feel like they tried to do too many things with her character in smaller arcs.
Vinicius Figueiredo
Vinicius Figueiredo 9 gün önce
I will always have a soft spot for this show cause it made Flash my favorite DC hero, but things really went downhill by season 4
Nischal 2 yıl önce
I like how many times you pointed out that it's not the actors that are doing a bad job, it's the writing. Which is 100% true, Grant Gustin is THE Flash, and the fact that we can all see that despite the shit writing just proves how amazingly well he fits the character. Just imagine what he could do with some actual good writing. I dropped off after season 5, and it's just heartbreaking to see how far the show has fallen. Really hope they manage to pull something coherant together by the finale.
Tweeks 2 yıl önce
You can tell the actor playing iris doesn’t really put her all in her scenes like she use to in the past seasons. I stayed past S6 but seventh was almost unwatchable for me
Nischal 2 yıl önce
@Tweeks from the few clips I've seen of the later seasons, it feels like all the OGs that haven't left yet are just sleepwalking through their scenes. Especially Joe and Iris yeah. They all deserve so much better.
Tweeks 2 yıl önce
@Nischal definitely
Jaden Bryant
Jaden Bryant 2 yıl önce
@Nischal yeah Joe actor looks like he's depressed half the time
Raj 2 yıl önce
Honestly? I think they’re getting bored of it? Clearly imo Tom and grant are the only ones giving there all despite the writing.
fo 4 aylar önce
I remember when I was younger when me and my family would huddle around the TV to watch The Flash. After season four my family stopped watching the show. The show ended in season four for me. Whenever I think of the Flash I will always think of Grant Gustin
KenHacker 3 aylar önce
Apparently, the reason why reverse flash comes back, is that he is a living paradox, and as long as Barry continues to fight him, Thawne is apparently immune to timeline changes.
Critical Fail Gaming
Critical Fail Gaming 3 aylar önce
I remember a bit in the comics, after Final Crisis, where the rogues find out the the first Flash is back. They immediately start talking about how they have to take shit seriously again, because Barry wasnt as soft with them as Wally was. That's not to say Wally was a bad hero, hes arguably better than Barry, but he has a much more light hearted approach to hero work
Tinfoil Slacks
Tinfoil Slacks 6 aylar önce
Season 1: Barry runs fast enough to go back in time Every other season: Barry fails to beat the villain because he's not fast enough
Schneemilee 2 aylar önce
There was one episode where Barry finally confessed to Iris and they became a couple but runs back in time. They become a couple 3 or 4 times in a row, always a bit later in time than the attempt before. It's where I stopped. I remember being so frustrated that Barry actively chose to undo things and relearn his lesson and suffer AGAIN that I stopped in the middle of the episode and never picked it up again. I think it was even in the second season, they already lost me with this 😂
Nyx Yıl önce
I love Candice Patton, but Iris infuriated me to my core. My biggest problem with Iris is the fact that she's for some reason always in the right. No matter what she does, no matter the negative impact, no matter if it is objectively a wrong decision/bad choice/shitty thing to do as a human being who supposedly cares about the people around her, she is pretty much not only immediately forgiven, but also, usually, told that they were wrong to tell her otherwise.
Xehanort10 Yıl önce
Yeah instead of being right when she's right and wrong when she's wrong she's treated as right no matter what. Even when Barry's right he just gives in and tells Iris she was.
Xehanort10 10 aylar önce
You probably won't love Candice Patton when you find out she mocked homeless and trans people. Her claiming that the show being about Barry and not Iris is racism is annoying too. It's about Barry not Iris.
Kusariyaro 10 aylar önce
Black female = must be right . Its CBS
Remco Schedel—the SKULL
The power of melanine.
Akatsuki 9 aylar önce
@Xehanort10 Candice was right to mock trans people but she should not mock homeless people
thereal_FlipFlop 2 aylar önce
I really liked seasons 1-4, maybe since I was younger I enjoyed 4 a lot more than everyone else, then 5 I didn't mind, I saw it as a kind of aftermath since Netflix originally had 4's last episode titled as the "finale" and I found enjoyment in it, then 3 episodes into 6 and I gave up. I couldn't take it anymore it was horrible
Bayou Hero
Bayou Hero 6 aylar önce
Personally I think the show fell apart around season five. Season 4 was good in some ways but you could feel the change in the writing that was happening. You could tell that once they had a clean slate of a new season starting they would change a lot of the writing and it just became awful. All the visual stuff went to crap around season 5 even the main suits and then it somehow just kept getting worse.
Jose Rivera
Jose Rivera 6 aylar önce
I’m a die hard fan of the show and the Arrowverse but you nailed it with this one. I do not like Chester or Allegra. They add nothing to the show but we waste so much time with their side stories. And now they want to pair them up. We do not care! Seriously! Chester feels like a satire of what the writers think nerd culture is and Allegra had one of the worst stories last year where she ditched the assignment Iris gave her to write her own thing, felt like it was the piece piece of writing in the world, and when Iris called her out on it…she still let her do the story. WHAT?! God, I hate these two. They’ve dragged the show down.
Jessica Richmond
Jessica Richmond 2 aylar önce
I wonder if Smallville had any effect on how they handled superhero shows after that. Clark Kent was 100% the main character for nearly every episode of 10 seasons and that nearly killed Tom Welling. Wonder if they were trying to preserve their actors by spreading the load? Seems a little too nice for a studio though.
WhatSoEver 2 yıl önce
"Iris has no powers" Excuse me?! She obviously has the power of love and friendship!!
bonbon 2 yıl önce
Is this a joke? I don’t mean this in an insulting way I’m just asking.
Bonzaidalek 2 yıl önce
@bonbon It is
Nompumelelo Mashele
Nompumelelo Mashele 2 yıl önce
🤣 🤣 🤣
Nompumelelo Mashele
Nompumelelo Mashele 2 yıl önce
🤣 🤣 🤣
bonbon 2 yıl önce
Thank god I thought so but then I started worrying that this was a little kid that loves this show or something 🤣🤣
Superiorband 3 aylar önce
Although, the first time Wells says “run, Barry, run” gave me chills.
AP Nicole
AP Nicole 5 aylar önce
I wouldn't mind a 20-ish episode length if they did something with the filler to expand on the themes or characters and it's mostly done in the first and mid chunk of the season and focused on the main storyline from mid-to-end of the season. The first season did it well.
RalfsStuff 2 aylar önce
I'm currently at season 5 but I've been frustrated with the show since season 3. Most of the team's issues could be entirely avoided if they just talked to eachother. Every single episode there seems to be some miscommunication where someone is angry, storms out and then someone else says "I'll go talk to them". It's kinda bad if most tension could've been avoided if the cast weren't idiots.
CJohn 3 aylar önce
I love the whole video but I’m gonna disagree with your take on savitar and zoom (especially zoom). Zoom didn’t just wanna be the fastest man alive, he was also just trying to be alive, the velocity 9 drug was killing him and with the flashes speed he would live a lot longer, and I loved the complete distinction of him compared to thawne of him being a total psychopath like real serial killers made a speedster. Savitar yeah sure kinda meh, but I can totally by the time remnant that wants revenge plot, so I thought it was good
linneaus msiska
linneaus msiska 12 gün önce
While the side characters weren't always well written you can't say they were completely useless. If anything the problem was that they were too useful at the expense of the flash
Sara 2 yıl önce
what’s painful is that Grant is *so* good. he just has that look and emotion and snark that is all Barry Allen. I can’t imagine someone else doing what he does, and now he’s wasted in this show, and it’ll take ages until someone tries their hand on this kind of Flash story again, and it won’t be him. I like Flash in JL (the Zack Snider version) just fine, but there’s something about Grant that is perfect for this
Zemox92 2 yıl önce
Grant would have made a better Wally West than Barry Allen.
Zemox92 2 yıl önce
@𝗡𝗶𝗰𝗼𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗲 Hey Grant is not that bad. The problem is the script. The writing sucks
David Wouldntyouliketoknow
100% at least up until I stopped watching mid season 3 for the reasons mentioned in this video.
Alien To You
Alien To You 2 yıl önce
I remember people just saw a photo of him grinning in the suit and lost it. He made the show a hit before it aired with a grin!
Ken 2 aylar önce
Another thing, they wanted Arrow to be a role model for the Flash so they had to stop him from killing because the flash wouldn't be cool with that. But they should of not let Arrow kill in the first place to avoid this story conflict.
inspiredinthedark 27 gün önce
This is not just a problem with The Flash, or even just super hero shows in general. I've found a lot of tv series stuff so many characters and story lines into their plots, that it just becomes an unfocused, confusing mess.
Daniel Lim
Daniel Lim 6 aylar önce
Zoom wanted to live so he must consume more speed, Savitar wanted ensure his survival by creating the paradox, Devoe wanted to make the world dumb so he can teach everyone everything again or something.
Xehanort10 6 aylar önce
Devoe was basically a "I hate these young uns and their phones" boomer. There's even a line that proves it where he says "People will put down their idiot phones and become curious again."
Sports Prediction
Sports Prediction 3 aylar önce
This guy nailed it. Shares my exact frustration.
Fer Davila
Fer Davila Yıl önce
I agree. the thing that killed the show for me was when suddenly EVERY SINGLE ONE of the side characters had powers
Kendi K
Kendi K Yıl önce
Riight. In season 7 suddenly Barry’s whole family just ends up with superpowers out of knowhere. And when they go to fight the villain, they don’t even use super speed. They use lighting stars and lighting swords and shit 💀. I was like wtf even is this show. There seems to be no real plot, plot twists, no more humor, it’s so bland
Whitney Dahlin
Whitney Dahlin Yıl önce
That is the problem with the CW. All they make is soap operas. At it's heart ALL of their shows are trashy soap operas for a niche audience. Like trashy soap operas for teens or trashy soap operas for nerds or trashy soap operas for other nerds or a remake / spinoff of an existing trashy soap opera. I should know I love trashy middle eastern soap operas. But I go in knowing after season 1 things are going to get convoluted and unbelievably crazy. Everyone's going to have an evil twin, people will start faking their deaths and by the time the show wraps up everyone will have f***** everyone at least once in the most dramatic way possible. But by it's very nature trashy soap operas are not well written they have a very specific formula they use as a blueprint for every single episode and every single season. They use up all their good ideas in season 1 and they're hoping you care enough about the characters by the end of season 1 you'll sit through the next 15 seasons. But most people don't enjoy trashy soap operas and I don't blame them, I have never finished a full soap opera because it gets too wild and also somehow boring by season 4 and I actually enjoy them. But people who go into these shows thinking that it's going to be an actual good show or who don't know that CW exclusively makes soap operas are going to be really disappointed and really let down and I feel bad for them!
Nick Koyle
Nick Koyle Yıl önce
Nah Supernatural was definitely a soap opera especially in the final seasons. One of CWs biggest problems was they had no clue when they had good storylines or villains.
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Hypersonic456 3 aylar önce
1:04:14 what savitar means is that sometimes when altering time, if you alter something that ends up killing you for example, the speedforce will make it so that it doesn't affect you because the only way you died was from yourself which couldn't have happened if you didn't exist so it creates a paradox which the speedforce doesn't like so it may try to erase something that shouldn't exist from the moment that it's altered but not before it since prior events are the only way that thing can exist, this is exactly why the reverse flash still exists even though he was erased, literally what savitar was saying in this scene
Tuxninja7 6 aylar önce
I’ve literally never seen the flash, arrow, supergirl or any of these shows, but all I ever hear about them is about how their fan base hated what they did with the show that I rarely hear good things. As a game of thrones fan I sympathise however (cough cough, season 8,) but nice to know what all the downfall was about
vorno102 4 aylar önce
Misfits is utterly fantastic. Glad to hear it being held up as such
ChrissyPlus Aylar önce
Idk about everyone else, but I'd LOVE 22 episodes of a show... that was actually written well 🤷‍♀️
Lucas AYMERIC 6 aylar önce
16:40 Chester isn't a metahuman, but for the rest, I totally see your point, it became an easy way to do something with characters that they don't know what to do with and it's so annoying
K I N G S M E N 6 aylar önce
If the writers would let the fans write the show it would be a 10/10 💀💀💀
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