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The real reason Boeing's new plane crashed twice

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This isn’t just a computer bug. It’s a scandal.
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Two Boeing airplanes have fallen out of the air and crashed in the past six months. On the surface, this is a technical failure. But the real story is about a company's desire to beat their rival.
Read about Boeing's efforts to get the 737 Max reinstated for flight here: www.vox.com/2019/4/5/18296646/boeing-737-max-mcas-software-update
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Joe M
Joe M 58 dakika önce
There has been at least 5 reports to the FAA from US pilots having similar issues with the 737 Max aircraft however, none have resulted in crashes. Yes, there is a design flaw with the MCAS system but quick and proper actions from the crew can lead to a safe outcome. Boeing should have developed a better training program that discussed the MCAS system, how it operates and how to disable it in the event of a malfunction.
Bob Boberson
Bob Boberson 59 dakika önce
Bad pilot training. Very simple.
meerkat1954
meerkat1954 Saatler önce
Capitalism at its finest, a machine for killing people as profitably as possible. This is what deregulation of corporations brings us. Death by the hundreds.
Bal K
Bal K 2 saatler önce
And here I thought it was because Vox is liberal soy boy cancer....
seahawksphan
seahawksphan 2 saatler önce
How much you wanna bet this video is sponsored by airbus 😂🤣
Andre Nguyen
Andre Nguyen 2 saatler önce
It doesn't matter if it really is. Two planes of the same model same crash pattern. I'm pretty sure Beoing has a hell of explanation to convince customers.
Toasty Volvo
Toasty Volvo 3 saatler önce
So many problems? You listed two incidents that killed many people. I don’t see the legitimacy here.
TheCumminsturbo2
TheCumminsturbo2 3 saatler önce
All of this is comes down to a society that wants to rely on technology to do there job and ultimately makes a dumb society and guess what people were much happier with out all the technology
Γιώργος Μπέκας
AIRBUS is the safest plane. PERIOD.
Kevin Mai
Kevin Mai 4 saatler önce
God so many lives lost
ArmyOfAll
ArmyOfAll 4 saatler önce
Capitalism kills people for profit. I'm shocked. -.-
Drew Pantano
Drew Pantano 4 saatler önce
Why didnt they just increase the height of the plane? So its further away from the ground and slid the new engine and advertise it that way?
deepsea21
deepsea21 4 saatler önce
VOX... Good reporting but the issue goes far beyond what you have reported. My friend has been an AA tech for 30+ years and after the first MAX went down he told me to never get on a MAX plane. Even he wouldn't fly a MAX plane on standby as an AA employee if that was the plane available and he can fly FREE! The issue goes deeper as all airplane manufacturers initially design a great, stable plane but then they start "stretching" them to hold more and more passengers which moves their center of gravity that should be over the wings further and further away. Boeing isn't the only one that stretches to the max.. they all do. But, Boeing stretched the 737 too far and to the point that they had to place the engines far ahead of the wings to try and restore some center of gravity that could only be managed with sophisticated flight control systems. If you visit the Boeing website and read about the 737 MAX they highlight the new placement of the engines in front of the wings... As if that is a good thing. They placed them there to try and restore some form of manageable balance to the plane as it had been stretched to the MAX. Yes, the more efficient engines were larger and had to reside higher up but that was not the whole story. I don't care what Boeing passes through as a flight control software patch, I will NOT fly on a plane that has been stretched to the point it is not sound and requires sophisticated flight control systems to keep it in the air. Our military has the stealth wing bomber that is a great achievement but it can't be flown by our greatest pilots without the highly sophisticated flight control systems that keep it in the air. Military personnel get paid to take risk, as a common passenger on a commercial airline, I don't care to take those risks and don't want to be on a plane that can't be flown by a skilled pilot if the flight control system fails.
Tim
Tim 5 saatler önce
This is the best Airbus commercial I've ever seen.
CatWizard2307
CatWizard2307 5 saatler önce
Why didn’t Boeing raise the 737’s ground clearance by a foot or two so that the engine would actually fit under the wing? It would have saved hundreds of lives
CatWizard2307
CatWizard2307 5 saatler önce
Why didn’t Boeing raise the 737’s ground clearance by a foot or two? It would have saved hundreds if lives
Bill Bright
Bill Bright 6 saatler önce
Be interesting to see how well received the craft is upon recertification.
Данила Чебров
Oh look, in both cases crew during 12 minutes cannot regocnize standart failure scenario "stabilizer runaway condition" and perform proper action. For what purpose they are sitting in cockpit, only for make photos to instagram? If they know about MCAS or no, the must perform standart memory procedure, due to stab runaway may be caused by several reasons, it's not pilot business for perform investigation in flight of root cause of runaway. I think that's why sir Boeing don't inform crew about MCAS at entering 737Max in service - cause it not recall new actions from crew and there is no crew infuence for MCAS.
BBB
BBB 7 saatler önce
Boeing should just admit Airbus is better than them
BBB
BBB 7 saatler önce
Boeing should be sued and responsible for all the death caused!
Sklawz
Sklawz 7 saatler önce
if they could only engineer a plane to be as durable as a persons shoe.
Damon Brown
Damon Brown 7 saatler önce
How are they getting away with this stuff.These stupid people care about money more than peoples lives.
Sharif Ul Alam
Sharif Ul Alam 8 saatler önce
so, you are saying that the planes were crushed on the pilots' first flights? If not, then they should be used to with the new technology (you've mentioned)!
Air Raid
Air Raid 8 saatler önce
this is what happens when u put something to early on the market without testing it out enough. and all those dead people only because of money and the wish of being better than someone else
enigma mist
enigma mist 8 saatler önce
Capitalism needs control. It has gone too far.
Uday Puranik
Uday Puranik 9 saatler önce
In that case why did Dassault Falcon, Cessna Citation, Fokker and other similar models which had fuselage mounted engines which were clearly above the wings never had such a problem?
BrainStem Recruiter
BrainStem Recruiter 10 saatler önce
Next time make the landing gear taller.
DJ DA VINCI
DJ DA VINCI 10 saatler önce
Lawsuit of the century. 💰
Raymond Hydes
Raymond Hydes 11 saatler önce
SAD!!
Michael Randlöv
Michael Randlöv 11 saatler önce
Very Good video,thankyou. It's really hard to understand why Boeing did'nt just extended the landinggears so that they could make room för the New engines
Nick Finan
Nick Finan 11 saatler önce
So Boeing completely changed the aerodynamics of the 737 but said it was the same as previous models? Who took care of the certification? Oh Boeing did!!! Says it all. So the Boeing 737 Max is an UNCERTIFIED aircraft essentially.
Aaron Simpson-Bean
Aaron Simpson-Bean 12 saatler önce
Did anyone see the 787: Broken Dreams documentary? Now the flawed design of the 737... Boeing is compromising safety for capital!
Marco Santos
Marco Santos 12 saatler önce
Problem here was that accidents werent in America with americans dying cause of it, so it must likely is gonna "slide" and wont impact the company as it should, because there should be real legal and financial backlash to boeing so they would learn the lesson wich they wont. But in all at least Airbus is now ahead and will continue to be cause of this stupid things, only problem is that more ppl are gonna die from decisions like this cause of inaction by authorities towards boeing. Finally it really stuns me how this sort of stuff is still possible to happen this days, and how companies still buy faulty equipment...
john adams
john adams 12 saatler önce
Profits Vs. People. No contest.
GK Fujiwara Esquibel
GK Fujiwara Esquibel 13 saatler önce
They (Boeing) Should Have Raised The Ground Level Of Their Planes A Bit Higher. But Nope. They Had To Raise The Engine Higher On The Wing, Which Made It Have A Side Effect. #YouHadOneJob
Tony Born
Tony Born 14 saatler önce
This is not actually correct, showing a fair amount of ignorance of Theory of Flight. The engines on the 737 Max being mounted higher would actually REDUCE the thrust - drag couple, not increase it. ALL aircraft with under-wing engines will tend to pitch up when power is applied and vice-versa. Also, aircraft have been fitted with anti-stall devices for at least 40 years. They will first give a "Stick Shake" warning to the pilots that the angle of attack is approaching a critical amount - then as a last resort the stick is pulled out of the pilot's hands and moved fully forward to un-stall the aircraft. BUT, like all systems, it can go wrong. What IS different, and what went wrong here, is that in most aircraft there is a simple and quick way to completely disengage the anti-stall system. THIS was the problem with the crashes, the pilots couldn't do that.
jp
jp 14 saatler önce
I am afraid this business is typical of many large American companies. Nestle - look at what the promised when they took over Cadbury's, now it's just a shadow of what it was. All they really wanted was the name. I'll never knowingly buy anything made by Nestle. God Bless America, more like God Help America. Pure GREED - at ANY cost.
TheArthurkan
TheArthurkan 14 saatler önce
And no one is held accountable
ARVID LYSTNUR
ARVID LYSTNUR 15 saatler önce
This report is faulty. By putting the larger engines up and forwards, the plane initially dove downward, then when redesigned it had a tendency to climb to steeply, bringing a greater chance of stall, thus the FAULTY MCAS system was a poorly engineered fix! The MCAS system CANNOT be shutdown without shutting off the power assisting TRIM Control. To level the plane the pilots must adjust the trim and the manual process takes to long. Two solutions. Redesign the plane so that it flys properly without assistance! (Yes expensive) Put a G****M override switch on the G****M MCAS system! (Probably already done)
Rick Nieuwland
Rick Nieuwland 15 saatler önce
so this is how you make money by LYING to millions of people. the official report are not done and you claim to have found a problem.
Ultra Mega
Ultra Mega 15 saatler önce
they couldn't just make the planes taller?....
Baconator Aviator
Baconator Aviator 16 saatler önce
You can’t just assume it was the MCAS entirely. The report has not been released yet... making this whole video essentially clickbait.
Bobby Rock
Bobby Rock 17 saatler önce
Greed.....the curse of man.
Dream Diction
Dream Diction 17 saatler önce
Nothing crashed at Shanksville.
Juckt Nicht
Juckt Nicht 18 saatler önce
the rush for profits in capitalism claims these deaths
lunt banzi
lunt banzi 18 saatler önce
This dumbass they moved it forward not up
MR shooter 10725
MR shooter 10725 18 saatler önce
I trust Airbus and JetBlue better because they have better safer machines than Boeing
ZIUKH
ZIUKH 19 saatler önce
Incredible. That many people died just so that a company wouldn't fall behind another.
Mat A
Mat A 19 saatler önce
"Nearly every 737 Neo has been grounded?" . nearly??
Indra Niptama
Indra Niptama 19 saatler önce
so it's true when the CEO of LION AIR said they are only dollars in front of Boeing Company. how Boeing company take responsibility for hundreds of people who died inside their planes?
Ly Ralei
Ly Ralei 19 saatler önce
This could've been avoided if: 1. They told the pilots about the MCAS for them to train more on how to control the plane and not fighting the MCAS functions. 2. If they didn't say that the new plane behaves like the previous one even if it doesn't because of the f*cking MCAS. They are more worried on how the buyers will compare both planes and ofcourse, people will tend to pick the one that is better but feels like the previous version like the A320NEO. 3. If they didn't rush things out and have a detailed plan and gave more time to learn all about the errors that the new plane is producing.
Andres Mendez
Andres Mendez 7 saatler önce
ok, but all this is criminal. THE cEO not fired???
Ly Ralei
Ly Ralei 19 saatler önce
This could've been avoided if: 1. They told the pilots about the MCAS for them to train more on how to control the plane and not fighting the MCAS functions. 2. If they didn't say that the new plane behaves like the previous one even if it doesn't because of the f*cking MCAS. They are more worried on how the buyers will compare both planes and ofcourse, people will tend to pick the one that is better but feels like the previous version like the A320NEO. 3. If they didn't rush things out and have a detailed plan and gave more time to learn all about the errors that the new plane is producing.
Peter1x2y
Peter1x2y 20 saatler önce
*Two questions: what does Boing pay per killed passenger,* *and where starts the next 737 max ?*
Virus Remover Expert
Virus Remover Expert 21 saatler önce
Boeing, please take your supporters a free ride on your test flights.
Diesel Beasty
Diesel Beasty 21 saatler önce
Boeing needs to pay for their corporate greed. the decision makers who pushed this model to production needs to be punished severely along with FAA personnel who certified it. Alas it's too late for the 370 souls who left earth . We the people of the world are so ignorant of how corporates use us as guinea pigs and thinks of the common man as cattle for them to herd and misuse to earn more money and power. How much is enough....it never is enough...basic nature of humans.
John Mackintosh
John Mackintosh 22 saatler önce
Not the first time boeing cut corners,read about engineers getting the sack over safety fears on the Dreamliner,
Steve Loney
Steve Loney 23 saatler önce
This video is so clearly funded by Airbus.
galacticito ack
galacticito ack 23 saatler önce
guys the plane was just tired stop blaming it
Andres Mendez
Andres Mendez 7 saatler önce
your posting quite idiotic and disrespectful to many families. you a brainless teenager or an old useless good for nothing junky?
Steve Loney
Steve Loney 23 saatler önce
This video is so clearly funded by Airbus.
Roman Klein
Roman Klein Gün önce
Vox is clearly unimformed and ignorant of actual facts of the cause of the 2 flights to crash. As a pilot, the engines being mounted higher have nothing to do with this incident it is purely computer malfuntion.
Bill Borden
Bill Borden Gün önce
Sad. Is it safe to say the CEO's at Boeing are responsible for loss of life? Or would that be too harsh?
Dora the Axe-plorer
The new DC-10
TravailNoir
TravailNoir Gün önce
Regulation is Important!!! stop electing people pushing deregulation.
Its Viyana!
Its Viyana! Gün önce
This is so sad, over 100 people died just because another person wanted to be the best. I feel so bad for all of the families of the people on board the plane when it crashed. Just because of this rush to have the best plane some young people couldn’t live their life to the fullest. Rest In Peace everyone who was on board the Boeing 737 MAX 8.
Frank Jimenez
Frank Jimenez Gün önce
People say your more likely to crash in a car than a plane but I say which one are you more likely to survive??
Viktor M
Viktor M 4 saatler önce
on per-mile-traveled basis planes are still safer (except for the ill-fated MAX), but not necessarily per trip or flight.
LD4
LD4 7 saatler önce
Good point.. 🤔
Aryav Saigal
Aryav Saigal 14 saatler önce
Toby Meehan xD
Toby Meehan
Toby Meehan 14 saatler önce
Train.
Thiago Elias Rezende Silva
This video lacks in something pretty basic in every accident investigation: Aviation accidents doesn’t happens because one single cause. MCAS alone didn’t caused the accident. It surely may have contributed, but there are many other factors, so that’s why media should wait for the FINAL report, that will be ready probably after a year of investigation. This video is only speculation about what was disclosed in the partial reports and airworthiness directives. I’m really sorry for all people that loss their lives and their relatives, but this video won’t help to know what really happened. Vox isn’t NTSB
glick glack
glick glack Gün önce
Well I got a flight next month. Oh golly
Amir Zalloum
Amir Zalloum Gün önce
The scary part is that even if they fix the software to lower the tip of the plane, Is hard to trust because the problem is the aerodynamics of the plane
rrrrr
rrrrr Gün önce
Thanks The Lightningll for the comment about the sensors costing 10s of thousands of dollars each. So an extra 4 sensors at $40,000 each is $160K. I think that's the price of some high end luxury cars (and not even exotic ones). This is a full size airplane! It's for hundreds of people They can't spend a few extra hundred thousand on it?
thereissomecoolstuff
Hmmm, who is Alvin Chang? Where did he get his degree in aviation engineering? This is Alvin Chang www.vox.com/authors/alvin/archives/24 People please do you own research. Boeing is not the devil..The 737 Max is a safe aircraft. The plane flew millions of miles without incident. 2 crashes Jakarta and Ethiopia. Is any loss of life horrible, absolutely. Do adjustments need to be made in a new aircraft. Absolutely. Grounding sure. Fix it. Demonizing Boeing over something everyone does. Naw.. I suggest all you haters take the bus or train.. you'll feel much better...
SuperKooks
SuperKooks Gün önce
This did not mention that the MCAS system only trimmed the aircraft, it did not move the elevator, only the horizontal stabilizer. The trim system is controllable by a switch on the yoke (control stick). It is very easy to tell whether the MCAS is trimming as the wheel next to your leg is spinning and suddenly the yoke would feel heavier. Normally if you feel it getting heavier then you just adjust the trim. Then it happens again, so you trim again. This keeps happening until you realize that something is wrong. This is the part where they needed to be trained more so they knew how to disable the MCAS system. It is not entirely the fault of Boeing but it is still not the fault of the airline who should have trained them more.
PJ in the valley
PJ in the valley Gün önce
It's all about corporate greed folks. You do not fix a problem with a problem. If MCAS is not disengaged soon enough no pilot can pull the plane up. Clearly a whole new plane design was needed, not a re-positioning of the engines.
MilkBeforeCereal -
They only missed one thing, if they told the pilots there was a mcas system, they would realise what would be happening. R.I.P Thinking
j cop
j cop Gün önce
Don’t see the truth being told on the news you have to hunt for it
Christopher Evans
Design hackers.
QuarioQuario54321
Boeing’s only good solution is to delete the program and make a completely new plane that would be different enough that existing pilots have to go through a change like an A220 pilot learning to fly a 777-300ER.
Jeffrey Collier
Jeffrey Collier Gün önce
I have to disagree with two main points of your presentation. Lives and reputations are at stake here, so it is very important to be as accurate as possible. First of all, the FAA would not certify the 737MAX under the same type rating as the rest of the 737 family because its STALL CHARACTERISTICS were different, not because of the tendency of the MAX to pitch up on takeoff. This is in fact due to the placement of the new, larger CFM LEAP engines. BTW, the sitting height of the MAX on the ground has also increased, by 9 inches. Additionally, in the Ethiopian crash, the crew made two critical errors. They did not disengage the auto throttles, which remained engaged and it the full thrust takeoff setting. They did in fact correctly disengage the two elevator trim switches, which would by design disable the MCAS system. However, because of the high thrust setting, the air loads on the elevator were so high that the crew had great difficulty manually trimming the elevator, and subsequently, turned the elevator trim switches back on in order to electrically trim the elevator again. Unfortunately, this move proved fatal because it also reengaged the faulty MCAS system, which caused additional nose down trim and eventually led to the crash.
J-Man
J-Man Gün önce
It is a terrible loss for the families and to those who lost their lives Complicit in this is the United States Government as well as Boeing . But ultimately the finamcial.cost of this horriblentragedy will be carried twice by the tax payer . Boeing is heavily subsidized by the US Government and therefore all compensatory damage will be paid once by the tax payer that subsidizes Boeing and then again when the Government is Sued by the families of victims . And not a single person will be charged with manslaughter for their negligence in the charge of duty they had to protect the lives of its passengers . But the rich got richer for a time and they will skate on by with no prison term while someone who got caught selling weed 3 times is serving a life sentence. These families should take everything from Boeing. This was no accident .
vn01208503
vn01208503 Gün önce
THIS SHOULD BE A MURDER CASE
UMU-i-D
UMU-i-D Gün önce
As long as it helps our economy it's OK!
CrazyGames
CrazyGames Gün önce
The 5K dislikes are Boeing employees
Lyle Gorch
Lyle Gorch Gün önce
The Free Market is the solution to every problem. De-regualate EVERYTHING.
Crazy Monkeys
Crazy Monkeys Gün önce
I haven't been on a plane in 6 years but when I do get onto one I hope that it goes well.
Sphinx Rising
Sphinx Rising Gün önce
VOX, a bunch of snowflakes preying on the ignorant masses for Likes, Shares, & Sub, SMH.
dnadeau819
dnadeau819 Gün önce
I've always like Airbus better. I'm not gonna be ignorant just because their usa made. If its Boeing I ain't going!!!
Sandy Balls
Sandy Balls 6 saatler önce
Correction:....... just because they're USA made. If it's Boeing... (I agree with you by the way!)
Andy M
Andy M 15 saatler önce
+Clayton Carter Watch this buddy and you might change your mind. trvid.com/video/video-rvkEpstd9os.html Are you referring to the AA A300 crash in New York where the vertical stabilizer separated. If so that was caused by excessive rudder hard over imputed by the co pilot. It wasn't the fault of the aircraft. I was always a fan of Boeing but that was in the days of the 757 and 767. Both superb aircraft but these days money has become more important than safety. This documentary really scared me. Happy flying fella
Clayton Carter
Clayton Carter 17 saatler önce
Ehhhhh Boeing’s (traditionally) are better made and stronger aircraft, I remember a story from flight school that when airbus released the a320(?) a pilot pulled up hard during takeoff and it tore an elevator off, they responded by saying all aircraft will do that. Then Boeing did demos with the 737 doing it.
Kenzie Lehman
Kenzie Lehman Gün önce
Who else is watching this because their flight was changed due to them not being able to fly on the 737 Just me? Ok
Sumeet S
Sumeet S Gün önce
Thank god Boeing didn't name their new software as 'Anti Stall Software' otherwise instead of MCAS we would have heard something else
Jeet Chakrabarti
Jeet Chakrabarti Gün önce
Boeing isn't facing more scrutiny because its a bunch of Asians and Africans that died if this happened in America it would have been a human cry. Boeing would be asked to pay through their noses, company might even get bankrupt!!! But since Asians and Africans Died lets ground aircraft fix the aircrafts and lets all be on our merry way.
FUGLY
FUGLY Gün önce
Money money money.
Makate Rapulana
Makate Rapulana Gün önce
Corruption
vsuperstar69
vsuperstar69 Gün önce
Greedy bastards
silentwarrior3509
What scumbags. It's always about money, isn't it? Are you happy now, Boeing?
Dexter Francis
Dexter Francis Gün önce
This analysis by Vaughn Cordle and Don McGregor is a must read; www.linkedin.com/pulse/boeing-737-max-8-crashes-case-pilot-error-vaughn-cordle-cfa/?fbclid=IwAR0jbyU3W3MRoSDxXr1idIy65EUiL6tI5ZxQPjwqpWHJMeiHzFhQUXAzzsA
Michael Sebourn
Michael Sebourn Gün önce
people are rich still want more money
Joshua Morai
Joshua Morai Gün önce
Oh look. Boeing sold the two planes as extras now ppl are died :(
M S
M S Gün önce
There is no plane that doesn’t have quirky handling characteristics under various conditions. All designs have their compromises between aerodynamic efficiency and utility. Planes go through many design changes in their life, too include the placement of the engine on the wing. That’s nothing new. I don’t like Boeing, not because they don’t make great planes because they do. I don’t like them because their planes are overrated and their employees are a bunch of unionized babies. These two incidents have many things in common with accidents in decades past with other planes, but they never mention those because this story is being used politically both domestically and internationally. You all believe what you want, but there are parts of this story that are being exaggerated, and parts that are flat out being left out. All to serve a purpose. I don’t necessarily prefer Boeing to Airbus, but you can all start acting like The Lord of the Flies if you want. Because that’s what self serving animals do, they use opportunities like this to serve their own ambitions for power, money and fame by exploiting the weak minded to do things far worse. As far as Vox and their credibility, it’s not hard to scroll back, even within the last year, and find stuff they mentioned as facts, and were not. Vox is like Wikipedia to me, it’s good only as a starting point, but I wouldn’t rely on it.
Danny L
Danny L Gün önce
I need a better explanation on why the engine placement increased pitch angle
Dexter Francis
Dexter Francis Gün önce
Danny - It's the result of the airflow over the LEAP engine nacelle contributing to the lift being generated by the wings. It doesn't increase pitch angle as much as it adds to the torque around the lateral axis of the aircraft around the center of gravity, which can move forward or aft about four feet in flight and still be within the aircraft's safe CG envelope.
Lloyd Townsend
Lloyd Townsend Gün önce
This is capitalism people. Capitalism kills people and the earth. If it's a Boeing I'm not going!
rdlsar15
rdlsar15 9 saatler önce
Lloyd Townsend...I’m guessing you’ve never studied how many people communism has killed.
Anuj Kapoor
Anuj Kapoor Gün önce
Watch this, that is if it's not censored in the USA. trvid.com/video/video-rvkEpstd9os.html
Russell Lee
Russell Lee Gün önce
Boeing's aircraft are dangerous. 737, 777, 787. All grounded at one point. Money trumping safety now.
S Cholensky
S Cholensky Gün önce
Boeing has some serious internal issues. Disregarding safety, cutting corners, and putting profit above all else isn't the exception at Boeing, it has become the norm. Eye-opening documentary shows the same behavior in the Dreamliner program: trvid.com/video/video-rvkEpstd9os.html If anyone knows of similar issues within Airbus, please comment with links.
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