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Thanks to www.chess24.com/ and Chessable for the clip of Magnus.
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Chess.com
Chess.com 10 aylar önce
Wow, this was incredibly insightful!
Prabhat Sharma
Prabhat Sharma 10 aylar önce
XD You're here too?!
Alfie Thomson
Alfie Thomson 10 aylar önce
wow chess itself amazing
Romer Rosales-Hasek
Romer Rosales-Hasek 10 aylar önce
do u know how magnus guessed the zapata vs anand game? it was literally 2 moves in and a petrov, which is a pretty common opening. i think im missing something lol
Joel Abraham
Joel Abraham 10 aylar önce
They got a channel
Vlad Petre
Vlad Petre 10 aylar önce
@Romer Rosales-Hasek ​ There's no other memorable game in a Petroff. Similarly had the position started with a couple of moves in the Philidor, Magnus would have said Morphy's opera game. I know these even if I'm just 1500. But make no mistake, Maggie can recognize some very obscure GM games
Sameh Ismail
Sameh Ismail 9 aylar önce
5:00 repeated attempts with feedback 6:47 valid environment 11:23 timely feedback 13:50 don't get too comfortable
CrazyGaming
CrazyGaming 9 aylar önce
0:00 beginning 8:59 middle 17:58 end
Andrés Quijano Uc
Andrés Quijano Uc 9 aylar önce
0:28 random number generated 4:30 random number generated 7:24 random number generated 12:56 random number generated
Nadeem Bajwa
Nadeem Bajwa 8 aylar önce
😂😂😂
Noun Verber
Noun Verber 8 aylar önce
you're a baller, king. added 18 minutes to my life from this summary. maybe you are actually a god and not a man. i already have a father but you can be my daddy
Kai Wizardly
Kai Wizardly 7 aylar önce
Thanks, I have seen this video a couple of times, but sometimes I just forget his exact wording. You just spared me the hassle of scrubbing through the video for a refresher.
Indrajit Rajtilak
Indrajit Rajtilak 7 aylar önce
The four things are 1. Valid environment (chess is valid, roulette is random) 2. Many repetitions (predicting election results is hard as they are rare events with low repetitions vs. tennis shots) 3. Timely feedback (anesthesiologist gets instant feedback vs. radiologist gets delayed feedback) 4. Deliberate practice (practice at the edge of your comfort zone, identify weakness and work on it)
KenDM
KenDM 3 aylar önce
Thanks mate. Watched this vid a while ago, didn't take notes. Thanks to your comment I recalled everything again without the need to spend 20 mins again.
legendasperfeccionistas
THE THUTH
Savage Antelope
Savage Antelope 2 aylar önce
Seem obvious when you break them fown
Nasim Osmani
Nasim Osmani 22 saatler önce
​, s1"
Nasim Osmani
Nasim Osmani 22 saatler önce
​@legendasperfeccionistas😮 😊😮
Sky Lord Panglot
Sky Lord Panglot 3 aylar önce
As a chess player I want to make a little correction. The feedback is not just winning or losing, but rather its cause and effect. Developing or leaving pieces in certain places leads to different outcomes as a butterfly effect. At first you cannot recognize what action or inaction caused the whole avalanche that leads to you dominating or losing, but with time you start to recognize for example that leaving your bishop over there always allows the opponent to attack. So your feedback is actually recognizing how patterns or moves lead to other patterns.
Semper Sto
Semper Sto 3 aylar önce
That is actually quite a good point. I am a beginner at chess and I am seeing more and more patterns, as well as the butterfly effect. It's really cool haha
Xeno Shvetsario 🌺 🕊
I use the same concept to improve my skills in drawing realistically or learning music. I don’t watch tutorials, I pay attention to exactly where I went wrong and how I can improve it, targeting that specific weakness
Mandos
Mandos 3 aylar önce
"excellence is not an art, it's pure habit. We are what we repeatedly do" 20 points to whoever recognises the quote
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11 gün önce
Who's quote is it?
Fabian
Fabian 11 gün önce
Aristotle
shaggy feng
shaggy feng Gün önce
Art is some elite group of people's habit. Don't you get it now?
Aditya Mishra
Aditya Mishra 5 aylar önce
This is easily my fav video on this channel, or anywhere really on the subject of learning and mastery. Its weirdly more inspiring than hour long talks you hear on this subject that's supposed to motivate you, but unlike those this is just 18 mins of hard-hitting concrete concepts that's proven to work. Amazing 🔥
Commie
Commie 4 aylar önce
Definitely the most objective and helpful video to date. Thankful for this too
SupremeDreams 2.0
SupremeDreams 2.0 4 aylar önce
I agree, we should all try something new and if we like it, no matter what it is, if it can be improved we should keep trying no matter how hard it gets
Caveman Hikes
Caveman Hikes 3 aylar önce
This reminds me of a book I recently read called "barking up the wrong tree." It demonstrates ways people can actually be successful rather than ways people think they will be successful. Only valid hard evidence as to what actually works versus what we think works but actually doesn't. For example, being told "good luck" is proven to actually raise test scores versus people who don't have someone tell them that. We would dismiss it but it's actually proven to raise people's success rate.
BUDA
BUDA 10 aylar önce
The pattern recognition became very clear to me when I learned Morse code. The human brain takes 50 milliseconds to process and understand a sound. People regularly send and receive Morse code at 30 words per minute, which puts the dit character and the gap between all characters at 40 milliseconds. So you literally have to process sounds faster than the brain can recognize them. Over time you start to hear whole words in the code rather than individual letters, but you still have to decode call signs character by character. You basically cache the sounds in your brain without processing them, and once the whole set of characters passes, your brain is able to turn it into an idea and add it to the stack of previous ideas while your ears are already caching the next set of characters.
KyuzoMugenUndPanzer
KyuzoMugenUndPanzer 10 aylar önce
It's even more interesting when you start learning the patterns to how people drive. You can pretty much predict what someone is going to do just based on how they position the vehicle. And being a bus driver it's a good skill to have. It's surprising how many people share the exact same methods of cutting into traffic or in front of a 20t vehicle that could squish their pathetic trucks. It's great for avoiding accidents on and off work. Truck drivers though... They can be 50/50.
Chris McAulay
Chris McAulay 10 aylar önce
This is the same as reading a word, rather than a letter... Its just using a different system (auditory, rather than visual). Our brains LOVE to group (or "chunk") things given the understanding and oppertunity.
Skinovthe Perineum
Skinovthe Perineum 10 aylar önce
I had a schizo co-worker one time who could pick snippets of dialog out of white radio noise.
BUDA
BUDA 10 aylar önce
@Skinovthe Perineum "Go into the light!"
Hysteria
Hysteria 10 aylar önce
@BUDA where did u learn morse code i wanna give it a try..?
Times&Spaces
Times&Spaces 6 aylar önce
Language learning has to be the number 1 field to study expertise - pretty much everyone has put in multiple 10s of thousand of hours into it and almost everyone arrives at what is perceived to be an expert level. Compared to non natives, almost everyone is Mozart in their native language, we just don't see it because we're all at that level. You also have beginners learning as adults to study/compare. I'm convinced all the answers are to be found in how we learn language, which is to essentially live and breathe it all day, every day for many years, and many thousands of hours.
Tedros Court
Tedros Court 6 aylar önce
Yes, this is absolutely right.
iestyn
iestyn 5 aylar önce
Great point. A language is a representation of the entire world, with all of the complexity that entails... so it makes sense that, in order to learn a language well (as almost all of us do), the learning process must be proceeding optimally.
CapitaineBleuten
CapitaineBleuten 4 aylar önce
Not almost everyone is a Mozart in their own language… (As an example, consider how many people mix its and it’s) A lot of ppl are perfectly fine with being too comfortable regarding the practice of their mothertongue
Times&Spaces
Times&Spaces 3 aylar önce
​@CapitaineBleuten I said, "compared to non-natives." A well educated person, who speaks another language well, might use less frequent words that one might only use if they were subject to higher education, but that's usually just a translation from their own language. A lot of natives don't read and so therefore don't use such words, but _all_ of them, almost without exception, have ridiculously good flow and accent, and have the ability to say the same thing multiple different ways, effortlessly. For me, that's a sign of real fluency, when you have an almost endless well of combining words in multiple different ways to say the same thing. A native speaker will pretty much _always_ blow a non-native out of the water in that game. That's why they appear to be Mozart, because it appears so natural and effortless. As for 'it's' and 'its,' you're always going to be able to pick on one tiny detail that some people will never acquire, native or not. People from Essex, here in England, say "we was" ALL of the time, it's a HUGE error, but it's become acceptable in that part of the country. Despite that, I guarantee that ALL of those native speakers would seem like geniuses next to someone who has only had like 1/5 (or less) of the exposure (and worse quality exposure too) of the language as an adult learner. Obviously we don't see them that way because it's 'expected' that they're more fluent, but if you weren't aware of that fact, the native would appear to be ridiculously talented compared to the non-native. There are errors that are acceptable when you're a native speaker (granted, that 'it's Vs its' example probably isn't one of them, but it's common). The text books might tell you that it's wrong, but the people do it anyway. That doesn't mean that they're not insanely good at the langauge, unless you're strictly talking flawless, textbook grammar. Even in that case, I'd still back a native, with comparatively weak grammar, to do better with grammar (overall) than pretty much any adult earner.
Jesse Freeston
Jesse Freeston 3 aylar önce
What about the 'hardwiring' of language though? If I understand correctly its one of the skills for which we have some built-in capacity that isn't 'learned' (I'm a certified non-expert here hehe, so forgive me if I'm using the wrong vocab). Would this make it unsuitable as a model for learning other skills??
The Sunnynation
The Sunnynation 3 aylar önce
I worked as a cashier for a few years. I had to remember 100's of product numbers with up to 5 digits. first tryed to remember them all but its almost impossible. after some time, i call it muscle memory, i just remembered where i had to touch my screen and not the digits themselves. when colleagues asked me for a certain product i mostly couldn't answer but when i went to their screen i just typed in the number.
Psychedelic Pain
Psychedelic Pain 3 aylar önce
I have the same thing, but with a Rubik's Cube. Couldn't tell you how, I could just show you
Cayden
Cayden 3 aylar önce
I have a similar quirk with typing. If you swapped every key on the keyboard, I probably couldn't rearrange most of them into the correct spot from memory, but I still technically "know" where all of them would be when writing something.
Caveman Hikes
Caveman Hikes 3 aylar önce
I had a similar experience working for a shipping company where I had to memorize thousands of zip codes and categorize them. I did memorize most of them but you can't keep up unless it becomes pattern recognition.
cbb
cbb 3 aylar önce
My neighbour work in a photography studio and he is also somewhat similar. He can close his eyes and do the editing, copy-pasting, and all the other stuff without using the mouse a single time, that too at lightning speed.
le duck
le duck Aylar önce
to explain ​@Psychedelic Pain's statement, instead of thinking ‘oh T perm, means R U R’ U’.. (and so on),’ we rather think of it as ‘okay, wrist turns, index finger flicks..’
Lucio
Lucio 5 aylar önce
I find one thing in common in all these points: a strong and consistent two-way flow of information
Vinícius de A Batista
what does it mean to have a "two-way flow"?
Lucio
Lucio 4 aylar önce
​@Vinícius de A Batista I hope my examples explain it well, since I couldn't create a good definition for this topic. Reading a book is an example of a one-way flow. You can read the book and take really good information from it, but if you don't understand something, you can't ask the book a question. A private class, on the other hand, is the opposite, for obvious reasons. But you don't always need a person for a two-way flow. Programming/coding can be a two-way flow if you are able to see what exactly your code does when it's running (for example, when using the debugger and knowing what information will help you solve the issue) rather than just getting a "success" or "fail" and trying to guess what the heck you did wrong.
Vinícius de A Batista
@Lucio oh nice, thx
boy Afrika
boy Afrika 4 aylar önce
@Lucio I can see what you mean, it is the same thing for someone who likes to try many things. You became better at basketball because I could basically feel my body giving me feedbacks at how it was reacting to it and by recording my practices and noticing every waste of movement, not well executed, how lifting weight was affecting my flexibility and agility, posture, etc Never managed to make it far because of tragic development of asthma, but I've definitely managed to improve my son's game to a remarkable level. The other very important thing, is to make sure he doesn't get comfortable and also making sure I share with him all that I've learnt before he is 16, because that's when their physical and mental states allows them to be very creative and execute without difficulties. A beautiful age for young men in any thing they enjoy.
kara
kara 3 aylar önce
​@Lucio that's actually a better explanation
anil dhage
anil dhage Aylar önce
Man. You just clarified a concept which I was struggling to understand for years. Literally years. You definitely deserve validation for your work. A big thanks to you.
ONAR Occasionally Needs A Restart
I recently had a MASSIVE argument with my university because they repeatedly did not provide any feedback to essays or exams. Just a mark and that's it. I backed my perspective with a ton of academic works on education, that I doubt any of them ever read. I'm going to show them this video. Because university courses that don't provide feedback are virtually useless.
Would You Return to Monke?
Hopefully you got them feedbacks
stressed by a mountain of books
Not to mention the occasional mistakes which in turn is an undetectable false feedback
Mai Yenish
Mai Yenish 10 aylar önce
They will point to #2 or #4. You point to #3 They will point you to your instructor's office hours.
Peter Quadarella
Peter Quadarella 10 aylar önce
I'll play devil's advocate and say that a normal university course is not trying to make you an expert at a skill. Reading about a topic and then writing your thoughts down will give you a level of knowledge about it that allows you to begin to think critically about it. It is only a starting point to becoming an expert, if you want to take that path. No one expects someone coming out of college to be an expert in anything.
Ardusk
Ardusk 10 aylar önce
​@Peter Quadarella quite a steep price for what's equivalent to watching a TRvid playlist or taking a Udemy course
AGA CHESS
AGA CHESS 8 aylar önce
I studied and played chess for almost 7 years. Also, I already knew what chunking is. It was in our lesson in Cognitive Psychology. But I didn't realized that the reason behind chess players' memory and rapid evaluation were because of chunking. That experiment was really enlightening. Btw, the first position in the experiment was not really that hard since it is pretty common position. But the second one was like, man, I couldn't understand what was happening. It takes time to evaluate it.
Supa Sounds
Supa Sounds 19 gün önce
what's your rating?
Wojo works
Wojo works 4 aylar önce
The younger doctors being better at identifying rare disease is so true form my experience. I’ve recently been diagnosed with a rare disease, pfapa where I get random super high fevers, and at dinner during one of my sickness my cousin who’s soon to complete medschool said that we seriously need to start looking into the cause, and with helping me contact my doctor ordered a bunch of bloodwork. Later once the results were we were at dinner looking at them again and the doctors in the family were debating what it could possibly be and what do next I remember my cousin correctly identified it as pfapa about 7 months and 5 doctors before we found out for sure.
Caveman Hikes
Caveman Hikes 3 aylar önce
Hope you're feeling better. And if not, hope that you will.
Wojo works
Wojo works 3 aylar önce
@Caveman Hikes thx man, it’s slowly been getting better :)
ManTheSPOON
ManTheSPOON Aylar önce
Why did you call your dad a disease
Dawson Tate
Dawson Tate 3 aylar önce
As a teacher, I think this info is so important. As students we are taught to perceive ourselves as one form of learning, instead we actually learn best from multiple approaches.
Teh Yong Lip
Teh Yong Lip 9 aylar önce
I really love the way you compare and contrast the nature of professions from various fields, it's extremely helpful!
Clayton Dykstra
Clayton Dykstra 5 aylar önce
Serious question: have you ever considered making a textbook(s) about the things you cover? Your topics are consistent, you're well sourced, the information is often novel or scarcely known, and extremely relevant for everyday life. The usefulness should exceed any school textbook I can name, even in post-grad.
Anatoly
Anatoly 10 aylar önce
The Four Things are: 4:55 1. Repeated attempts with feedback 6:48 2. Valid Environment 11:22 3. Timely Feedback 13:52 4. Don’t get too comfortable
HDTomo
HDTomo 10 aylar önce
This be it. 2x speed viewer come in clutch 10 mins after uplaod
slame
slame 10 aylar önce
why
maruftim
maruftim 10 aylar önce
@HDTomo i suppose they are an expert at this
HDTomo
HDTomo 10 aylar önce
@maruftim go at 2x the speed to learn 2x faster 😎😎😎
I'm Very Angry It's Not Butter
@HDTomo Seems legit
Bharanidharan Viswanathan
Key takeaway: To become an expert, one needs a valid environment, many repetitions, timely feedback, and thousands of hours of deliberate practice. Other key highlights: Expertise requires a valid environment with regular patterns to be learned. Repeated experience with clear, timely feedback is crucial for developing expertise. Professionals without repeated experience in similar situations may not be true experts. Low validity environments, such as stock markets, make it difficult to demonstrate expert performance. Immediate feedback helps improve performance, while delayed feedback hinders improvement. Deliberate practice, pushing beyond one's comfort zone, is necessary for developing expertise. True expertise involves recognition of patterns built through structured information in long-term memory.
Lindholm Lille
Lindholm Lille 2 gün önce
After a horrendous 2022, shell-stunned financial backers have misfortunes to recover and a lot to consider, as an expansion report and a pile of different information did close to nothing to change assumptions that the Central bank would probably keep climbing interest rates regardless of whether the economy dials back, And that implies more red ink for portfolios for the principal quarter of year 2023. How might I benefit from the ongoing unstable market, I'm currently at a junction choosing if to exchange my $250k security/stock portfolio
Leona Rodwell
Leona Rodwell 2 gün önce
Centre around two key targets. In the first place, remain safeguarded by realising when to offer stocks to cut misfortunes and catch benefits. Second, get ready to benefit when the market turns around. I suggest you look for the direction a representative or monetary consultant.
Jirina Muzikova
Jirina Muzikova 2 gün önce
@Leona Rodwell In-fact, ever since coronavirus I've been in regular conversation with financial examiners. Nowadays, buying moving stocks is quite easy; the trick is knowing when to buy and when to sell. The section and leave orders for my portfolio are made by my counsel. accumulated more than $550,000 from a $150,000 savings that was initially stale.
Jetka Strokdova
Jetka Strokdova 2 gün önce
@Jirina Muzikova Thats true, I've been getting assisted by a FA for almost a year now, I started out with less than $200K and I'm just $19,000 short of half a million in profit.
Grace Johnny
Grace Johnny 2 gün önce
@Jetka Strokdova _Mind sharing info on the adviser who assisted you? been saving for pension since age 18 - company scheme. along the way I hit higher tax, so I added to my company pension with a SIPP (tax benefits) I'm 46 now and would love to grow my finance more aggressively, there are a few cars I still wish to drive, a few mega holidays, etc.
Jetka Strokdova
Jetka Strokdova 2 gün önce
@Grace Johnny >The advisor that guides me is ROSEMARIE AGATHA ALLORA most likely the internet is where to find her basic info, just search her name. She's established
Artem Caesar
Artem Caesar 5 aylar önce
I have found this video profile extremely motivating and insightful. And it immediately raises a question: how many people actually tried to pursue any kind of high-expertise field or career like that same chess playing or composing their own music after they had watched videos alike? That would be awesome to suppose that this piece of content is indeed that same feedback that helps improve 😉🤔
KpxUrz5745
KpxUrz5745 8 aylar önce
I am interested in this from the point of view of becoming expert as an artist, specifically at fine art drawing. I agree that at the minimum, expertise requires that 10,000 hours be spent making drawings. But I believe that many, if not most, artists make the mistake of spending too many hours belaboring single time-consuming drawings. So they falsely imagine themselves to have made great strides towards expertise if they, say, slaved 100 hours on a single large drawing. However, my point is that they would be much more productive and gain skill much more effectively if they instead created 100 drawings taking one hour each. This is because each of the 100 different drawings should be expressly seen as opportunities to try something new or branch off creatively in a direction not tried before. That is the approach I use. I will sometimes spend hours on a single drawing, but in a given day perhaps I could start and possibly finish around six or eight new drawings, which can be finished later as time permits. Each one presses forward creatively in some new way. Over time, the thousands of hours effort gets applied, and still the many hundreds (even thousands!) of finished presentable drawings will accumulate. And, I do believe, real expertise will ensue.
Bình Đàm
Bình Đàm 3 aylar önce
I think there's another way to think about this A. Expertise is about recognizing the pattern B. Recognizing pattern comes from storing highly structured information in the long-term memory via FEEDBACK Four things it takes to store highly structured information in the long-term memory via FEEDBACK 1. Repeated Attemps (WITH FEEDBACK) - you must have some type of feedback first 2. Valid Environment (PROPER FEEDBACK) - the feedback should give you valuable lesson to improve the next time 3. TIMELY FEEDBACK 4. Deliberate practice (PROGRESSIVELY UPGRADE FEEDBACK) because overlapping repeating feedback won't help you better, it must be upgraded overtime for new lessons, and hence leveraged expertise -> As you can see, it all surrounds feedback, which indeed, is the core of learning, recognizing pattern as we see in machine learning. After all, ti's about using feedback in the right way, right?
Duy Minh
Duy Minh Aylar önce
suy nghĩ bạn sâu thật đấy, cảm ơn b vì bài học giá trị
Ali Sancaklı
Ali Sancaklı 10 aylar önce
4:03 - Definition of the expertise 5:00 - Repeated attemps with feedback 6:46 - Valid environment 11:21 - Timely feedback 13:50 - Don't get too comfortable
HandGrenadeDivision
HandGrenadeDivision 10 aylar önce
at which point is the definition of expert given?
0000song0000
0000song0000 10 aylar önce
Nice. That explains why people get easily into the habit of videogaming, which has all of these. Ergo, we need more educational games! 🤗
KitsuNeko
KitsuNeko 10 aylar önce
@0000song0000 honestly never even realised that! no wonder games are so addictive. it's like doing a hobby but since it's been specifially designed to do each of these things (cus of how they work) it gives way more dopamine than a less consistent "regular" hobby!
Y Y
Y Y 10 aylar önce
dont get too comfortable is the most important of the four
idek
idek 10 aylar önce
nice
Ben Kim
Ben Kim 8 aylar önce
On the subject of expertise, "Blink" by Malcolm Gladwell is an interesting book to read. It explores the idea of how our body(subconscious) makes a judgement call before our conscious mind even has time to process it, often times with better results. It was referred to as "intuition". I think this video not only validates the intuition-based-expertise, but also provides a simple formula on how to train our intuition/expertise. I do wonder though; What would be the opposite school of thought on this? Is the intuition-based-expertise applicable at any field?
Kiesar Nahami
Kiesar Nahami 22 gün önce
I rarely comment on TRvid videos, but this might just be one of the best I've ever seen. I would say that it affirms your status as an expert communicator. So well done, thank you for sharing your insight
Skarlet Overdrive
Skarlet Overdrive 7 aylar önce
That's pretty interesting that there's a term for "chunking" because I've been playing guitar for 18 years and I tell people all the time that the way I memorize songs is by visualizing melodic lines as shapes on the neck of the guitar. I never knew there was a term for simplifying complex things as more easily storeable memory
cw988
cw988 8 aylar önce
Fantastic video. I can confirm the "chunking" and "patterns" with classical music training. Classical music playing at the professional level requires internalizing hundreds of complex patterns of 2 to about 12 notes in a sequence (besides the thousands of hours practice to play in-tune, etc..), so we can sight-read any piece of music (even for a large ensemble together) written from the years c.1600 to c. 1910 - ish... playing up to 8-12 notes per second accurately. Classical players often balk at playing "new classical" music because modern composers often make up new patterns (or no patterns at all), and it forces the player to read each note carefully. Sometimes, each note has special written instructions, or new made-up symbols attached with lengthy descriptions. It frustrates many expert skilled players.. especially if they are underpaid for the time they have to spend learning it!
Laksito Pamilih
Laksito Pamilih 7 aylar önce
that's very interesting!
Sami YP.
Sami YP. 6 aylar önce
How excellent is that content, precise, concise and fun to watch. Great job and thank you !
Lucas Carman
Lucas Carman 10 aylar önce
Getting comfortable is the part that always kills me. I learn very quickly but once I get something down fairly well, I stop challenging myself and just rest on that success.
Charles Parr
Charles Parr 9 aylar önce
I think thats actually a positive, i would think that in almost any situation, having a good command of many skills and subjects, and being able to move on to the next thing fairly often would have much greater utility. First, because in most things experts are not that much more useful than the merely competent. If you spend ten times the resources and time to become twice as good, then that only matters much in fairly specific tasks. secondly, what happens if your area of expertise either beomes irrelevant or you are unable to use that expertise for some other reason? Imagine being the star running back through high school and college, certain to be drafted. Since the age of 8 that guy has devoted unbeleivable time and effort, got a scholarship that was of necessity a basketweaving degree (not all but most football players do not get useful degrees or even finish them) and so lost that opportunity for education, and suffers a career ending injury in the second last game of a college season. All that expert knowledge all that training just became useless, at best they might have some crossover skills, and depending on the expertise there might be few of those. Perhaps your own 'weakness'n is a strength?
Ynemey
Ynemey 9 aylar önce
Comfort level doesn't matter at all. Deliberate practice does.
Daniss
Daniss 9 aylar önce
@Ynemey l
Abrar Tanim
Abrar Tanim 9 aylar önce
this is literally me
Insert Witty Meme Here
A lot of us have that problem.
Fernando Cortes
Fernando Cortes 4 aylar önce
3:17 Patrones son la clave 4:40 para llegar a experto 7:14 Excelente ejemplo 14:23 deliberate practice 16:30 Recap
César Caslini
César Caslini 3 aylar önce
Not to trust the "experts" is definitely something I learned on the past few years and this video illustrates why very well. Great job!
Former Cuckolder
Former Cuckolder 25 gün önce
This is one of the most useful videos I've watched so far. Thank you so much. Let's keep becoming experts at something. 💪🧠
Maurizio Cappone
Maurizio Cappone 7 aylar önce
Great video! It's incredible how the points you have made in that video are valid for so many different areas. Language learning, lifting weights / losing weight / sport performance in general, university/job etc. All these things are based on these principles. I think consistency with a desire to improve is probably the main aspect. And be open for feedback. Also accept that there will be ups and downs. From my own experience, as long as everything is fine and goes well it's easy to stay consistent, but let's say you are training in the gym a few times per week and suddenly you experience an injury. Jumping back from that injury and then being consistent again, even though you'll perform worse than you have before, is the most difficult, but also most important part.
Mads Agger
Mads Agger 6 aylar önce
This resonates with me so much! Really well structured and explained - easy to follow along and get the main points! So crazy how many times I've watched someone do something "spectacular" when in reality, the spectacular thing leis in their consistency to learning to recognize patterns. I definitely light up my drive for becoming an expert within my field of interest!
AlanKey86
AlanKey86 10 aylar önce
This is a very timely video for the start of a new college term in September - I'll definitely be showing this to my new students!
Vaisakh K M
Vaisakh K M 10 aylar önce
and as a student... i learned a big lesson, as why i am not improving in the areas i already know somewhat ok, but improving in topics i don't know
giveussomevodka
giveussomevodka 10 aylar önce
Equally timely for a midlife crisis programmer, stuck doing the same stuff for nearly a decade.
Snek
Snek 10 aylar önce
Please don't remind me that summer break is almost over
Game Hacking & Reverse Engineering
This is so accurate. One time I did 12 hrs. a day, 7 days a week of pedal to the medal (go as fast as you can as long as you dont tip over is what we were told) outdoor forklift driving. First time EVER touching a Forklift. Working at Welch's unloading trucks of grapes, dumping into a grinder, and putting the boxes back on the truck. I worked in the exact same environment you talk about, if you fucked up or did something stupid or slow, the farmers would roast your ass up and you be hearing about it until its fixed, they are pros at driving. You unload at least 1000 1 ton boxes per 12 hr. shift, and after about 500 hrs. of 12 hrs. EVERYDAY of my life, I started being able to beat my supervisors, who had drove for more than 20 years, I earned their respect, and they genuinely believed I had mastered driving, and it led me to a permanent driving position inside making good money. I was a good driver, but I wasn't allowed to go fast inside, and it was much easier.. I got worse. I broke my ankle moving a pallet and got fired. But I %100 believe this video because I never understood how I got so good so fast, but after watching this it makes sense.
Clewerton Coelho
Clewerton Coelho 8 aylar önce
I feel really rewarded by all the amazing content of this channel! You make a great service spreading knowledge, very much obliged. ❤️
Erich
Erich 2 aylar önce
Super insightful, thanks! As a low-time pilot working toward the airlines, I can see all of these concepts in my training so far. We repeat the same exercises often with immediate feedback, in a valid environment, and we keep pushing ourselves out of our comfort zone (without actually risking an accident).
Sooyster
Sooyster 8 gün önce
I hope to join you soon
Súbele
Súbele 3 gün önce
The way you used the chessboards and turned them into pixelated faces was such a brilliant analogy and imagery. I had to pause the video and pull out my phone just to leave this comment. Bravo. I liked that so damn much.
AlienScientist
AlienScientist 10 aylar önce
04:56 1. Repeated Attempts with feedback 06:52 2. Valid Environment 11:23 3. Timely Feedback 13:46 4. Don't get too comfortable
Trains and Rockets
Trains and Rockets 10 aylar önce
I was looking for it...thanks
Liberty Prime
Liberty Prime 10 aylar önce
It's funny how many times this comment is repeated. I'm becoming an expert.
mashhood syed
mashhood syed 10 aylar önce
@13:00 how does that formula work
menuhin
menuhin 10 aylar önce
16:32 To build up memories (as an expert), it requires 4 things: - Valid Environment - Many Repetitions - Timely Feedback - Deliberate Practice
Peace for All
Peace for All 10 aylar önce
Would it be easier to say -practice a lot -with timely feedback -where the feedback is valid -and also when you practice drill down into what you are doing
Felix W
Felix W 7 aylar önce
This is why i love topics like control systems, and machine learning. It's basically putting an "expert" into a system to statistically make predictions or control a system. I'm totally aware that ML has it's creepy porperties and that we sometimes don't know whats going on in there but to be honest we neither know that precisely if we aks an expert. In some use-cases ML is just damn powerful but yes at the end of the day it's statistics.
youssef maarouf
youssef maarouf 2 aylar önce
always thought I was terrible at memorizing numbers (couldn't keep phone numbers and b-days in) asa child / teen. Then a friend of mine learned like 10 digits of pi, which impressed me so I gave it a try. Just a couple of weeks later i got to a hundred and kept going to 250. Now I haven't memorized for more then a decade and I can still go up to like 50. It is so baffling how easy and automatic it become
Charles Van Noland
Charles Van Noland 8 aylar önce
I've heard the phrase "pure chess" from Magnus and Levy, and it makes me think that maybe for chess we need an advanced mode where computers generate via brute force some extreme positions where there's a maximal number of pieces on the board, a maximal number of moves into the game, and a maximal number of possible outcomes with both sides having equal chance of winning still. I think this would be a great starting point for a modern chess game that is in pursuit of the "pure chess" I keep hearing about. Let a machine find super complex positions for masters to compete as starting points from, instead of just the rote memorized game positions of which there are so many already. We should be seeking out a new chess that harnesses today's compute power and cleaves the rote memorization from the game to bring back the purity. Or, a whole new game entirely where options and possibilities are more highly dimensional, with each move creating a whole new exponentially complex set of possibilities. Something that's a cross between Go and Chess seems like a good abstract goal.
Tappajaav
Tappajaav 3 aylar önce
Fischer chess is fun alternative
MrPizzaman09
MrPizzaman09 6 aylar önce
I have two examples of this. One is learning to operate a backhoe / excavator bucket. You get feedback pretty quickly and over the period of say 50 - 100 hours of operation, you go from a complete mess to being able to operate 3 hydraulic cylinders at once smoothly moving the bucket in a tight window in a complex movement. The second is being a great engineer. It takes 1000's of projects, with new things to make you consider different things. Eventually you are an expert and you know almost instantly what is going to work without having to make the moves of calculating anything. A lot of engineers aren't great because they don't have the continuous curiosity to keep pushing for tough problems.... some stop during school and don't learn thing because they are curious and instead pass the classes on short term memorization.
Motorhead1
Motorhead1 5 aylar önce
I learned on old cable friction cranes and Dynahoe 4 lever . New machines 100× easier than in 1970s old stuff. My 9yo son ran my 325 CAT excavator after two hours perfectly.
CheesyBread
CheesyBread 10 aylar önce
In my freshman year of highschool, my math teacher gave us a challenge where the student who could remember the most digits of PI on PI-day (March 14th) would get a few points added to their lowest test score. This gave us like 4 days or something to try to remember. I won with 100 digits. Nobody else really cared that much so the most anyone else got was like 10 digits. Yes I am as much of a loser now as I was back then.
Sergio Cruz
Sergio Cruz 10 aylar önce
not a loser
Dewiz
Dewiz 10 aylar önce
Pi day only occurs in the US
GSlideVideoTester
GSlideVideoTester 10 aylar önce
>I won with 100 digits. Nobody else really cared that much so the most anyone else got was like 10 digits. >Yes I am as much of a loser now as I was back then. so you are an overwhelming winner now then?
Alan Steyrbach
Alan Steyrbach 10 aylar önce
@GSlideVideoTester saying that he is loser, he points out his desperation in a typically occuring pathetic situation. He was so desperate to get at least some points that he put overwhelming amount of effort to get insignificant improvement. It is like selling a car for $20, bc he missed a chance to sell it for $20k, and now he tries to get at least something but zero.
Baruk
Baruk 10 aylar önce
As long as you’re having fun and happy
B Whittaker
B Whittaker 4 aylar önce
This is both disheartening and inspiring. Knowing that so many ‘successful’ people with so much ‘power’ and influence didn’t get to where they are because they’re *actually* good at what they do is certainly a bit concerning, yet encouraging because we can change this 🙂
Caveman Hikes
Caveman Hikes 3 aylar önce
How people gain power and authority would also make an interesting video. I bet #1 would be having friends in the right places.
B Whittaker
B Whittaker 3 aylar önce
@Caveman Hikes “It’s not about *what* you know, it’s about *who* you know.”
shuvo Ahmed
shuvo Ahmed 2 aylar önce
100% motivating, inspirationnal and most of all these are ways to think that we don''t usually hear about. Don't know if I was clear but thx !
Dhruv Yadav
Dhruv Yadav Aylar önce
this was pretty nice :))) its like we have certain perceptions about certain things and in my case I feel like I know how this will work but watching these videos always opens up a new way of thinking
derpnerpwerp
derpnerpwerp Aylar önce
This is pretty interesting to me because the whole thing about masters chunking positions and having a difficult time with random positions is something I basically predicted in a comment on a hikaru video a month ago. It was in regards to him playing chess960 blindfolded. Especially interesting because I dont have much experience predicting the inner workings of chess master brains and yet I seem to have been correct
kekzezerkruemler
kekzezerkruemler 3 aylar önce
this is actually true for most things i guess ^^. Only things like sports can be an exceptions because you have limiting factors like genetics(so the environment is partly not valid). thanks for making these videos :) !
Faus
Faus 10 aylar önce
FOUR THINGS YOU NEED TO BECOME AN EXPERT 1. valid environment (structured, patterned) 2. many repetitions (not once-in-a-lifetime thing) 3. timely feedback (feedback as soon as you perform an action) 4. deliberate practice (practice outside of your comfort zone, at the edge of our ability, the zone of proximal learning)
ハリブパロル
ハリブパロル 10 aylar önce
Valid environment Many repitation Timely feedback Deliberate practice
Random User
Random User 10 aylar önce
Writing out in bullet points and memorizing it will not make you an expert any more than watching the video. Unless you do these yourself there's no point.
Marco Lerena
Marco Lerena 10 aylar önce
Valid environment Many repetition Timely feedback Deliberate practice
Mephistofred
Mephistofred 10 aylar önce
Valid Feedback Many Environment Timely Practice Deliberate Repetition
uhhwhateverdude
uhhwhateverdude 10 aylar önce
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ Your comment is irrelevant to the video. Move along bot spammer!
Raven Louise Daguro
Raven Louise Daguro 7 aylar önce
I just made an acronym for me to always remember these four criteria. It's PERF (from "performance"), P - (Deliberate) Practice E - (Valid) Environment R - Repetition F - Feedback Great video, as always!
Loturzel Restaurant
Loturzel Restaurant 7 aylar önce
May i suggest a Part 2 to this or would that be too random? ?
Starlight Garden
Starlight Garden 6 aylar önce
Great! I wish I could give you more than my thumbs up.
Yash Jawanjal
Yash Jawanjal 5 aylar önce
Perf-romance
A B
A B 3 aylar önce
Order matters.....deliberate practice comes after repetitions
mz 00956
mz 00956 3 aylar önce
Or perf ection
VX
VX 8 aylar önce
This is an incredible insight into the effort needed to become an expert, I will definitely put the advice in this video to real world use. Thank You Again🔥
FlemDog Science
FlemDog Science 5 aylar önce
Hey thanks! I’ve been wanting to catch this video for a while. Gladwell’s book was a fun start. There is a fellow, I think his name is Anders Erickson, who did quite a bit of research in this area that is interesting to check out. Thanks for pressing on in film and drama! Veritasium rocks!
Jordan Cooper
Jordan Cooper 9 aylar önce
Super inciteful and thought provoking thanks as always for sharing Derek!
Cosmoky_19
Cosmoky_19 4 aylar önce
I believe no other channel on the you tube is as amazing as this!!! Thank you so much for all your efforts in sharing the great things with us!!!
Dominic Veconi
Dominic Veconi 10 aylar önce
Mathematician here. I did a lot of teaching when I was in grad school, and this video really hits all the nails on all the heads. Only in my last year did I figure out a concrete mantra to tell my students, encouraging them to not get discouraged by challenging problems because you only improve a skill by pushing yourself beyond what's comfortable. (The words I used were "engaging with uncertainty" rather than "deliberate practice", but they amounted to the same thing.)
John No
John No 10 aylar önce
I taught a little math myself and had started to realize "there is no learning without failure" but I didn't get to implement that as a positive strategy before I left the profession.
TrumanHW
TrumanHW 10 aylar önce
@John No Nor adequate short term memory adequate for the task ... and, the desire for them to actually understand (if it was to be useful / deep knowledge).
Kongo Landwalker
Kongo Landwalker 10 aylar önce
Also "We learn from mistakes" is a helpful phrase. If we never make mistakes - we learned the theme, and to become better we have to solve problems which are "on the edge" of our knowledge, where we can still make mistakes.
Jeanne Willemse
Jeanne Willemse 10 aylar önce
I have so much respect for teachers who legitimately care about the success of their students as that's rare nowadays I find. I had a lady math teacher who was always running around with sweat on her brow preparing practice papers for us before exams and stuff. My grades went from 60% range to 80% range under her and even got 93 for one of the big exams which was higher than the "nerd" of the class who was going for a scholarship.
jack hartmann
jack hartmann 10 aylar önce
Studied physics in college. Those professors that emphasize difficulty (or simply make it hard) Iearn the most from. In classical mechanics I got 35% on my second quiz and 100% on my third. Getting spanked (metaphorically) sure helped me learn.
Tyler D
Tyler D 9 aylar önce
My grandpa has been playing cribbage since he was a child and when he gets his hand he knows instantly what the best hand is and what to throw. And at the end of a round when you count your points he will just know what he has. And when you put your cards down to count he would just tell you the points your hand was worth. Crazy stuff.
Netbug009
Netbug009 4 aylar önce
I think this is part of why it's so hard to ever feel competent in an art - patterned feedback exists to a degree, but so much of whether a piece of media takes off or not is subjective.... and if it doesn't take off AT ALL you don't get the opportunity for feedback in the first place.
Benjamin P. Vallières
I am not lying when I say this might be my favorite video on TRvid. Please keep this channel alive.
calvin luo
calvin luo 2 aylar önce
How would you do a deliberate practice if you are a student and try to study a certain subject? I feel like I tend to rely on the same study mechanism subconsciously. Does studying different subjects count as a deliberate practice? Or the underlying study method is what makes us improve?
Chris N
Chris N 10 aylar önce
This was incredibly timely and it expounded on a principle I learned only recently. When you practise something and get frustrated, as we all do, that is **not** the time to pause. That chord you can't quite play, the card trick you can't quite nail - keep at it for five more minutes and tell yourself this deliberately. I think this is also what the fourth point in the video is about, because in those 'five more minutes', you are at the bleeding edge of your skill and that is precisely when you grow.
Tinchozz
Tinchozz 10 aylar önce
this would make sense if you wanted to stop because you were tired or your hands hurt, but doing something frustrated leads us to be stubborn and use patterns we already know, so you don't really learn. it has happened a lot to me, you try to do something and get frustrated bc you can't do it, just to do it super easily the next day while having fresh mind
Chris N
Chris N 10 aylar önce
@Tinchozz I believe the key word is 'deliberate'. When you get frustrated, recognise it. To recognise a feeling is to disrupt its dysfunctional effects on cognition enough to deal with it deliberately. This is an aspect from the ABC model of cognitive behavioural therapy. There is no feeling without a preceding thought. If I'm transferring what I've learned from this video, the above and the principle I mentioned correctly, it may be that the feeling of frustration is the result of resistance before new neural connections form. I've personally had great success with the method, as long as I don't overdo those five minutes into more and more attempts. ETA: "I'm getting frustrated. I realise this is because I'm at the edge of my skill. I will take a breath and continue for five minutes to hone that edge." - could be a chain of thoughts I may have in the process. The exact words are different for everybody, the key is to think and not just feel.
Pug Dad
Pug Dad 10 aylar önce
​@Chris N It is all relative tho. Just like you stated "You stop and take a breath" but how long is that breath and how much do you breath? You can say that you stopping to take a breath for 1 min and then going back is relative to someone taking a breath for the rest of the day and then getting back at it the next day. It is all relative and once we box ourselves in by saying "this is the only way" then we have a problem.
3nertia
3nertia 10 aylar önce
@Chris N It's also a good time to reassess technique as you're not *abandoning* the practice but you get a chance to slow down and think more clearly - I've had good experiences using the technique you mentioned in conjunction with my own!
Mr. Mike
Mr. Mike 10 aylar önce
As with everything in life, mind, body, and soul. Flashcards, weights, and prayer
Tre Brinig
Tre Brinig 8 aylar önce
this is probably one of the most eye opening videos i have ever watched, cus as a kid i stumbled upon this but i never put it into an actual idea like this, it’s brilliant and i’m probably gonna implement it into my daily life as much as possible
Reanimatedself
Reanimatedself 6 aylar önce
I would love to see a video on imposter syndrome, on its own or in correlation to this one. This video (like all of your content) is fascinating and, being a long time viewer, I know how well you research the videos. My wife meets all of this criteria but struggles with imposter syndrome constantly. Even though she is constantly learning and improving her already incredible skill set. It would be interesting to find out if this is beneficial or a hindrance to the skills and knowledge obtained in the pursuit of overcoming the feelings.
acbrunko
acbrunko 6 aylar önce
Brilliant. You just outlined a great model for AI/ML. As always, thank you for your continued insights and willingness to live on the edge with intellect. Cheers
victor p
victor p 8 aylar önce
Great video. It is amazing how simple statistical paterns can often outperform "experts"
Dr. Trefor Bazett
Dr. Trefor Bazett 10 aylar önce
As a mathematician, these four factors definitely resonated with me and I think math is field that really encourages that deliberate practice. Great video!
Hagen Farrell
Hagen Farrell 10 aylar önce
I'm a University undergrad in STEM, math is definitely a deliberate practice to learn it well, I found out the hard way that just memorizing patterns and formulas wasn't good enough. I always wondered how TA and professors got so good at math they were able to teach others, some of the TA tutors (Grad students that tutor undergrads) actually forgot some of the formulas for calculus (there are so many lol) but as soon as we would refresh them on the formula they were able to instantly crack on, and finished the examples effortlessly. Memorization of formulas is only a very small percentage of high performance in mathematics, its all about repetition, and putting yourself against hard problems that take an uncomfortable amount of thinking and time to solve.
KING JERMARCUS
KING JERMARCUS 10 aylar önce
MY MUSIC SHALL BLOW UP THIS YEAR MANIFESTATION 🔥❤️
minemasterSAM
minemasterSAM 10 aylar önce
Math is my favorite subject (along with physics). If you one day revisit this comment, would you share with us what it’s like to work in your field and some tips on getting there?
Itzak Ehrenberg
Itzak Ehrenberg 10 aylar önce
Dr. B, As a fellow mathematician I have to say that I love your channel!
Ananth D
Ananth D 10 aylar önce
@Hagen Farrell It's actually kind of like chess. Imagine old math problems to be previous chess games. Everyone knows the rules, but experienced players can see a lot more patterns and tendencies when they encounter a problem.
Erik Norlander
Erik Norlander 7 aylar önce
This runs really true for reinforcement learning. It usually works if you have a limited environment and can learn with feedback.
Shivam Gupta
Shivam Gupta Aylar önce
Thank you sir, you have impacted my life in a big way. Just wanted to express this.
Forrest
Forrest 3 aylar önce
I love this video in the context of the revelations around mask wearing - we had "experts" tell us to wear masks.... but at the same time we haven't had a pandemic at this level in really any of our lifetimes. And we haven't had a pandemic with this many people on earth at this level. Nevertheless, experts told us that masks were the solution. I believed them.
E.M.
E.M. 9 aylar önce
Great vid! Just one question, from of all the bibliography you linked under the video, in which of those do I find the 4 things you mentioned? I'm currently doing some research for an essay and I would like to quote that. Thanks a lot 😊
benjamin casati McIntosh
i find it funny this is sponsored by brilliant because on the notes i took on this video i mentioned brilliant as challenging practice. i took 3 months of it and did 2 courses and halfway through the astrophysics one, and i have to say, the complex tasks of finding relations, unknowns and such (complex compared to what i was doing at school which was basically nothing) were great practice and i learnt a lot. 10/10 i know this sounds like and add but i have to say it's a good example of taking many attempts at a problem that serves as a challenge with quick and reasonable feedback
Amanthika Anbalagan
Amanthika Anbalagan 10 aylar önce
1.Repeated attempts with feedback - "4:47" 2.Valid Environment - "6:57" 3.Timely feedback - "11:21" 4.Don't get too comfortable - "13:53" Along with the 10,000 hours 😄
Manny
Manny 10 aylar önce
the 10000 isn't necessary, i think thats just the amount of time it seems to take most people to gain a solid understanding of those 4 principles within their field, whether they realize it or not.
єlẸcTrofŁυX
єlẸcTrofŁυX 9 aylar önce
@Manny exactly if these people who succeeds in these 4 things with less time than 10,000 they are called a prodigy or genius
Kshitiz Srivastava
Kshitiz Srivastava 9 aylar önce
Thanks man 4th point is very important because whenever I do maths Problem I only do same or simple problems which makes it harder to solve difficult questions. Let's see how much can I improve by doing these steps 😁😁😁
Hassan H
Hassan H 9 aylar önce
@єlẸcTrofŁυX It might be better to acknowledge that genius is not simply "one who succeeds in attaining these 4 rules early or in less time". There is much more to being a prodigy or genius (whatever we people mean by these terms). For example, apart from these, a person considered among the best in his field has great attitude, passion, creativity, wonder and, arguably the most important of all, persistence.
єlẸcTrofŁυX
єlẸcTrofŁυX 9 aylar önce
@Hassan H hmm
IFRS Masterclass
IFRS Masterclass 9 aylar önce
Although it looks like you have only collected a few pieces of wisdom, but actually have revealed something very fresh. Thanks!
Jon Doe
Jon Doe 7 aylar önce
What happens when you play the tasks out in your mind and/or lucid dreams? Great video. What it seems like your saying is in order to be successful I first have to be successful. Which really means in order to be great I have to be an expert at failing. If I’m an expert at failing then I can more easily avoid failing and notice when I fail etc. etc. Also I think your video is pointing me in the direction of Dr. Peterson’s book: 12 Rules for Life. Thanks for your videos and I hope you keep making more.
Demarcus Q
Demarcus Q 3 aylar önce
This is why in speed rock climbing championships the wall pattern of the rocks have never been changed so the athletes remember the pattern and don’t even have to think where the next rock is they already know. 👍👍
Nakti
Nakti 8 aylar önce
When i play computer games, I feel all these princuples very well :D These do not require that much time dedicated, but other criteria are usually very distinctive. So games are like a practice for becoming an expert in other fields. Software developing (programming in particular) feels like gaming for me because those criteria are also very bright. You receive feedback of codestyle from colleagues and its correctness from compilers and tests almost immediately. All tasks are unique so you are always on some level of challenge (even if it consists only of deducing the task to familiar parts). And there is almost no randomness because there are not much things you cannot control for some degree.
Adam Lea
Adam Lea 3 aylar önce
A very interesting video. I am trying to get decent at bridge which has a combination of randomness, feedback and pattern recognition. It is clearer now what I need to do to significantly improve my game. It also explains why there are a subset at my bridge club who will never get beyond beginner level even after decade(s) playing.
mage
mage 9 aylar önce
"Don't get comfortable" is a lesson I'd like to drive home by this statistic: some 70-90% of accidental finger amputations happen at 2 ages, 16 and 60. All the time in between those ages is marked by remarkably safe individuals who go their entire career without a single incident. Before and after those ages is when nearly every finger is removed via _any_ means. Below 16, the reasons are typically doors, mowers, and knives. After 60, the reasons are power tools, typically the sort of hand tool an individual would've used for his entire career, probably without incident. Personally, my finger was removed at 16, following an exceptionally poor night of sleep, followed by a very late arrival at work, where I needed to do about 2 days' worth of catch up work, with a poorly maintained chopsaw (miter saw), in an environment with a poor (but improving) attitude towards safety. That chopsaw removed my finger about 2 hours after starting work, and I became part of that aforementioned statistic.
bolainas
bolainas 9 aylar önce
very interesting statistic. thanks for sharing your story
Cynthia Bauer
Cynthia Bauer 9 aylar önce
thanks for sharing your story. Sorry you lost your finger, I hope one day Jesus resurrects you with a brand new finger again!
Michael
Michael 9 aylar önce
I'll sure as hell bet the attitude towards safety was improving after that lmao
mage
mage 9 aylar önce
@Michael yeah, even if it did take a while. I was actually fired from a later job for my laissez-faire attitude towards safety, but I'm much better about it now, thank goodness.
Shalom Simplified
Shalom Simplified 9 aylar önce
Fascinating statistic. My uncle was an outlier. He is a carpenter by trade, but was careless with one of his saws. (A table saw, I think?) It was so fast, he didn't even feel his finger come off at first. I'm not sure how old he was, but he was well under 60, probably in his 20s or 30s.
abenezer yohannes
abenezer yohannes 7 aylar önce
Great professional promising project. The project was executed in a very manner and had a clear development plan. Without a doubt, this is one of the best projects out there, success always.
jbelli211
jbelli211 8 aylar önce
I believe there’s probably a 5th requirement; not a requirement per se but it’s pretty important to consistently produce experts and produce the best of the best and that is that you should enjoy the field of your expertise in a genuine manner. Some naturally gifted people will become professionals but not love the field and burn out quickly.
DasAntiNaziBroetchen
DasAntiNaziBroetchen 5 aylar önce
There's more to "field" than just the field itself. The work environment is the biggest factor.
Lord Byron
Lord Byron 3 aylar önce
Great video! About the Experiment with the red and the green button: Does someone happen to know wether the human subjects also received reward and punishment during that study?
Rtificial
Rtificial 3 aylar önce
The video discusses the concept of "chunking," which allows us to recognize complex stimuli as a single unit rather than individual pieces, and how this idea explains why chess masters are better at remembering specific chess positions than novices. It also explores the difference between two systems of thought, system one, which is subconscious, fast, and automatic, and system two, which is conscious, slow, and effortful, and how individuals can use these systems to memorize things like pi. Finally, the video looks at a memory experiment that demonstrates how experts have better memory specifically for their domain of expertise, but not necessarily for other types of information. Another important topic discusses is the challenge of finding patterns in randomness, and the importance of timely feedback in learning. It offers examples of how immediate feedback can lead to better performance, such as in the case of anesthesiologists who work alongside the patient and receive immediate feedback, compared to radiologists who don't receive timely feedback. The video also offers an example of how an algorithm can outperform human experts in predicting outcomes when given less information than the experts. Ultimately, the video suggests that if one is in a valid environment and receives repeated experience with the same events, along with timely feedback, one can become an expert.
Portato19
Portato19 Aylar önce
Your video reminds me of one of Malcolm Gladwell's books, Blink: Think Without Thinking. it is quietly fascinating, to be honest. We could make a critical decision without thinking too much with an astonishing result.
Lawrence Chan
Lawrence Chan 10 aylar önce
4:54 - many repeated attempts with feedback 6:46 - a valid (predictable) environment 11:20 - timely feedback 13:50 - don't get too comfortable
bossgd100
bossgd100 10 aylar önce
thank you
Lucas Dimoveo
Lucas Dimoveo 10 aylar önce
thank you
MrSalamandave
MrSalamandave 10 aylar önce
Thanks, I was taking notes, but somehow overlooked point 3. @ironmanmason do you have other ideas, or a video recommendation with better advice?
Joel George
Joel George 10 aylar önce
Isn't point 4 deliberate practice?
V
V 10 aylar önce
bless your soul
Agunloye Ayomide
Agunloye Ayomide 7 aylar önce
Reinforcement learning is just a beautiful thing. It appears everywhere.
Jeffrey A. Hanson
Jeffrey A. Hanson 8 aylar önce
This internal cache of information and patterns explains why my current self views the guitar fretboard in potential phrases or chord sequences. My beginner self viewed it as singular notes following each other through a maze. My next step is becoming an expert in a specific genre, not just really good in rock and country, and competent in Blues. Side Note: Brad Paisley used to spend entire days recording himself performing fingerpicking patterns on acoustic well beyond what his class required. This has enabled him to create complex rhythms while singing. Slash played guitar exercises in the corner of hotel rooms on repeat while hammered drunk to become a rock god. His blues improv is quite awful, tho. Same with David Gilmour. While SRV was a Blues guy.
Gino De Canha
Gino De Canha 3 aylar önce
I love this channel!!! Always super insightful and interesting, thank you!
Libby yy
Libby yy 3 aylar önce
Thanks for the effort! Suggestions for improvements: also state out the reason why Melton method of using high school grades and one aptitude test is effective PS: I thot the human was treated with electric shock too when they press the wrong button!
Tony Vu
Tony Vu 3 aylar önce
Great video. It's amazing how similar a deep learning neural network is to a way human learn to become an expert: pattern recognition via heaps of data and feedbacks.
Qwerty and Azerty
Qwerty and Azerty 10 aylar önce
As a graduate student, this hits home pretty hard. We spend countless hours on a project, only to get feedback once when a final paper is submitted for peer review. The feedback is neither timely nor frequent. And yet, you get to claim to be an expert in your field by the time your graduate.
R
R 10 aylar önce
this is why most companies steers away from degree based hiring. they know that a degree won't prove that you smart. project and experience based hiring is getting more and more common because you can assess the skill level and the ability to learn based on the project complexity, error/mistake rates and time spent working. Don't be discouraged my friend, its simply how the system works - its not perfect, so you shouldn't base your entire value on it. Good luck on your journey!
Random User
Random User 10 aylar önce
@R I think the video made it pretty clear that most hiring "experts" in companies are anything but "experts", so that makes your point moot. And many companies still very much rely on degrees at least to screen out the number of possible candidates.
fraktaalimuoto
fraktaalimuoto 10 aylar önce
But you can get active feedback from your collaborators and supervisor? As a PhD student and beyond I have always tried to ask feedback from my collaborators and peers who I can trust. No need to wait for a referee to respond.
cecesoclean
cecesoclean 10 aylar önce
lmao what are you talking about “companies steering away from degree based hiring”?? nah man they really aren’t
Max Ferney
Max Ferney 3 aylar önce
What do you think of programmers. I relate to the first ones, but I become comfortable with debugging. Debugging means you're trying to fix something that went wrong. even though it may not be as challenging, the longer it goes the more complex it becomes. I'd love to hear thoughts!
Henrique Sico
Henrique Sico 3 aylar önce
This video is crazy. Brilliant, brilliant man. I am a big believer that most of the time, ego kills our advance in life. What I mean by this is there are a lot of people that believe just because they are full of books, they are experts. Learning from experience and getting straight feedback prove to be the best strategies for learning for me. The example you give there about radiologists and anesthesiologists. Doing something and having the opportunity to get feedback straight away is the best learning process. The same go for learning a language. For example, I am learning English, and two years ago, I moved to the UK. Now by living here, any time I hear some expression, I take notes and ask some native friends. By doing this, I 'am learning a lot every day. In this way, I am going to start a Language business for sure ahahah. This video really makes me feel good about being an expert and understand how to learn properly. Again is really sad that we make people with a degree so important when in reality, most of those people don't have any passion and drive for what they do, and most of the time, they don't really like what they do. Passion and knowledge are powerful. Amazing video again, man. You did an amazing job. I am writing this, and I didn't finish the video yet, crazy! I believe one of the biggest killers of Mastery and being an expert is fear, and this is one of the reasons I always say without overcoming our fear, we can study a lot, but we are never gonna reach our full potential. With this, I am not saying we don't need to study. What I mean by this is going to school is right, but at the end of the day, at one point, it's really important to be honest with ourselves and start channelling our energy to what really can make us reach our full potential. It can be learning a language or studying marketing. Another example where we can get instant feedback and learn can be talking with people or girls in our daily life. By doing this and analysing the reaction we receive from people, analysing what we say... We can learn a lot and improve our confidence and communication.
Jon
Jon 3 aylar önce
Thank you. I’ve been reading a lot of books about uncertainty and sometimes the expert is not so reliable and are overconfident with their true abilities!
Sarah Parker
Sarah Parker 3 aylar önce
Brilliant content, thanks a lot Derek!
sam
sam 6 aylar önce
"expertise is recognition, and recognition comes from the incredible amount of highly-structured information stored in long term memory. to build that memory requires four things: a valid environment, many repetitions, timely feedback, and thousands of hours of deliberate practice."
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1. Valid Environment 2. Many Repetitions 3. Timely Feedback 4. Deliberate Practice
majermike
majermike 10 aylar önce
so true! loved this video
R0BY ♪
R0BY ♪ 10 aylar önce
Thanks saved me watching the vid
gnarly3000
gnarly3000 10 aylar önce
@R0BY ♪ Thank you.
Muzhe nhi pata h
Muzhe nhi pata h 10 aylar önce
Ty
Deepsea Darew
Deepsea Darew 10 aylar önce
Timestamps would help here =]
Moulay Rachid Benslimane
Great an amazing video. 17:58 mn, but I guess it took many hours, days to have this great content. Well done to all the team. Keep it up !
Frederic Bisson
Frederic Bisson 3 aylar önce
You are my favourite expert ever. Research, research and research. Assembling information and explaining it!