Relationship Therapist Ranks Disney Romances 2 

When did Hal do any favors for Roxanne just your own ideology and worse people thinking they deserve it. Niceness is actions goodness is belief kindness is both

Goodness without niceness is

Do you think the defense attorney in the green mile was good. He believed he was guilty and didn't want him to get way with it . Do you wish real lawyers were like that

Talk about the series of these shows.

Did you watch the Tarzan series

it's wholesome.

IKR

A happy marriage is dope af

And tarzan

This

I kinda disagree. It just shows his magical thinking and lack of practical knowledge of the world and his own capabilities. What job does he think he's going to get? How hard does he think a job is? How many hours does he think he'd be working? Tiana's been busting her butt from birth and is exhausted working two jobs but Naveen thinks he can just go pick one up because he's decided to start working and a job will just fall into his lap. At this point, he's been cut off from his parents, he can't even handle "be rich and don't do dumb shit", we don't know if there's any future prince or princesses about to pop out of one of those **thousands** of women he's been with already or how many stds he's picked up along the way. When she meets him he's planning on marrying her friend for her money, and spending his life cheating on her. He spends a day or so with Tiana before he decides to just be a completely different person because that's what she likes, despite having no foundation to achieve his goals. He spends all day on a date she wasn't expecting because **he's planning to marry her rich best friend** then is surprised to discover she actually has dreams and goals. Literally the one thing we know about Tiana is she's working towards her restaurant. Everyone who's ever met her knows that. This guy is trying to propose before he ever finds that out. All he knows is that she likes working on things so he's like "ok cool I'm going to work on things too .... what's work and how is it done?" Her bar is so low he doesn't even need ro cook to impress her, just cut things into smaller pieces. Every single man Tiana knows can cut his own damn food without her instructions. He likes to sing and play music but he's not even good at it .... does he have one single talent or skill? One redeeming quality other than "changed himself for a woman", but changed from "useless arrogant womanizing gold digger" to "useless romantic sugarbaby"? Like, it seems like his job in Tiana's restaurant is "host" at best. His parents show up with money, she does the real work, and he just kinda hangs out having fun. His contribution to her is "teaching" her to have fun or whatever, because apparently her friends inviting her to go out all the time and her suitors trying to get her to relax once in a while were just background noise and only this guy's opinion matters. Tiana isn't having a romance with Naveen, they're experiencing the bridge effect. They barely know each other, their views and dreams are diametrically opposed, and they have no topics in common whatsoever. They fundamentally do not and cannot understand each other. After the honeymoon period ends, how would they really live? What would they talk about once they're no longer frogs? Does he know anything about business, cooking, running a restaurant, or living in pre civil rights american south? How's he gonna settle down to a lifetime of planning menus, dealing with suppliers, arranging employees, cycling product, holding staff meetings and all the other day to day of running a business? Tiana was fine alone, but how's Naveen gonna handle her having no time for him because she's running a business and can't hold his hand through every learning step like a child. How's he gonna handle being the only person in the building who cant boil an egg or tie his shoes without a servant? When all the men he sees are stronger and more competent and all the girls would be happy to be with a rich handsome prince even if he was a lazy bum

@@pvp6077 you really wrote this wack essay comment over a kids movie character....

@@pvp6077 my god... get a job

@@pvp6077 ratio, ik, but i agree tho? that relationship had like no chemistry and it bugged me too

@@jinkieez and you're on a channel ehere two people discuss cartoons and movies. So? What are you doing here then?

True, there are still very few positive portrayals of step-parents out there.

I always loved that movie and loved O’Malley wish I was lucky enough to have a step father that made my mother happy.

I love that he makes a point to include the kids in just about everything he does with Duchess. He gets a bit of one on one time with them and bonds with everyone individually and collectively. He doesn't try super hard to get them to like him, he just treats them with respect and is himself around them.

I wish my stepfather was like that.

@@alexanderv.domanski9246 The reason why we've got a strong "wicked step-parent" trope is probably that many people have bad relationships with a step-parent in real life.

Yes! They’re definitely my favorite along with Pocahontas and John Smith! Both are very beautiful couples and are my favorite Disney movies too!

@@kristinahuchison2511 You do know about the real story, right?

She eventually decided to propose to him instead. Though things happened instead.

I love that in that show the writers gave them problems, real couple problems. It wasn't happy ever after. There were doubts and fears and so many little things that everyday people live through.

I guess it was more possible to be "modern" if the characters were animals? "Lady & The Tramp" is an unexpectedly mature story too, but they got away with it because the main characters are dogs. "Snow White" and "Sleeping Beauty" are fairytales though and didn't need very complex romances back then.

It’s not like Disney can’t do “modern” but of course if they adapt cehturies old material they aren’t going to add the Prince or Princess having kids to it just to be modern. Although I would love to see Rumpelstilskin from Disney. The second half of the story is when the lead is a mother is trying to save her child from the bargain she made with Rumpelstilskin in the past to save herself. The DisneyToons films Lion King 2, Little Mermaid 2, and Return to Neverland had Simba, Ariel and Wendy have children, but the main studio hasn’t had movie like that. Although maybe in Frozen 3 Anna and Kristoff have kids. If so I hope it’s a girl called Gerda who needs to find Elsa to save her cursed friend. You know, close to the original plot of Snow Queen.

@@sarasamaletdin4574 Nice idea!

@@sarasamaletdin4574 I mean Rumpelstiltskin was a major character in the live action show Once Upon A Time which was made by Disney. If you've never seen it, I highly recommend giving it a watch!

Yes! Exactly! I was surprised they didn't mention that part!

Also I think you need to take into consideration that he doesn’t really know the extent of what she sacrifices. He never lived it or really know much about what such a life might be like, even following her civilising efforts.

To add to this, Jane LOVES the jungle. Like, she actively shows a love for gorillas and the other beings in the jungle, its something she shares with her father. Jane has the capacity to enjoy and be free living in the jungle. Tarzan, on the other hand, doesn't know if he'd like London life, and he would be going back as a scientific discovery, making it far less likely he'll be happy in Jane's Victorian society. The choice she makes truly benefits both of them.

@@noahxavier6253 well said!

Agree!! I also like that he visits her home and have her family knowing about him as they get to know each other. I really think, unless you have a toxic and controlling family, getting families involved early on is a wise thing. They know your greatest downfall and your best self. They have your best interest in mind. And meeting each other’s family doesn’t mean the relationship is now serious or has a level of real commitment at all. I always hated that pressure on meeting each other’s families.

Love your profile pic

@@kittylover4974 Could you explain the pressure thing? Like, isn't that natural? :')

@@Liz66. The way I see it, there is pressure in wanting to show your best sides to the other's parents/ family and have them like you. However, I also dislike the ridiculous exaggeration in movies, when i.e. there's palpable fear of the SO meeting the parents or the father being all overprotective and threatening dismemberment. It's overplayed in cinema and therefore,too many people take it for real.

which obviously would be the best idea even if they hadn't met like they did since the 1st year of a relationship doesn't give you a real idea of who the person is unless you were friends first and feelings only came later.

I love that scene in the movie, because when he sees her kids (and obviously they're hers), he looks worried for a split second that he was flirting with a married woman. And he later becomes a father to them because that's what they needed.

​@@BPJD2004i thought it was like a "oh sh*t she has kids"

I see this point get brought up a lot, but the thing is, she didn't really sacrifice her dream. Sacrifice involves personal choice, willingly giving something up in exchange for something else. She didn't willingly give up her dream restaurant to marry Naveen, nor did Naveen coerce her into letting go of her dream. Outside circumstances made it impossible to attain, so she made peace with that and let it go in order to be happy with the person she loved rather than blame him for the loss, becoming lonely and embittered. The loss of the dream restaurant is like putting an offer down on your dream house, or applying to your dream college, and not making the cut. It's outside of your control, so it isn't a sacrifice, it's just a lost dream. In a way, I think it was good for her to lose it, because I think making peace with the idea that you could lose the thing you want most can make you think about that thing in a healthier way (à la Jedi Code, lol). She was determined, but also I think a little misguided, when trying to make her father's dream of owning a restaurant come true. Having the dream snatched away allowed her to let go of that lingering grief over her dad's death and find a healthier reason within herself to want the restaurant. She realizes that the restaurant isn't the point of her dad's dream, her dad's dream is about doing things he loves with the people he loves most. So she's not being pushed to the brink of her capabilities by the weight of her dad's memory anymore, now she's walking hand in hand with the love of her life and blossoming into her own.

I don't see how not knowing how to change back is a sacrifice. They didn't have a choice. By happenstance, marrying her made her a princess so kissing a princess breaks the spell. They didn't have any other royalty around to try that on.

@@xejelah still the best couple

@@xejelahthey are sacrificing their dreams. The sacrifice isn’t them not turning back human, it’s them letting go of the dreams they would only be able to achieve as humans.

Exactly! Before the Under The Sea sequence, Ariel was talking about connecting with Eric while remaining with her family... and then Triton wrecks her room and destroys all her stuff in a violent rampage. Criticizing her choice to leave reeks of 'stay with your abuser! It'll work out, probably!' which is honestly shocking coming from this channel.

Amen 🙌🏼

@@nikkipittman761 I think he clearly explained that he meant a totally dropping everything and everyone she ever knew. Perhaps he forgot about that scene. The movie is like 30 years old lol. They must have rewatched it for their new review. I'm checking it out now!

Yeah TBH Triton was _terrifying_ and I would've thrown it all away to get out, too. And it's totally fair not to factor in the sequel, but Ariel wasn't trying to dump her old life entirely - they had to come up with a plot device for that to even be a point of conflict. And then in the movie after that we find out Triton tried to _ban all singing_ because it made him sad. Seriously he is a monster. Ariel wanted legs so she could RUN.

Also she was pretty much obsessed with humans and their world way before she met Eric

I somehow feel like it’s maybe just a tad bit idk🤷‍♀️sexist?misogynistic? like if Meg’s a MALE then would people say pretty much the same stuff but with like a gender swap? or gender flip or idk🤷‍♀️whatever

I don’t think I can/could really remember comments with people saying stuff like that about Meg but then again hello! duh! Meg’s a SHE so um uh OF COURSE there’s gonna be people saying stuff like that about her she’d be basically like demonized/antagonized:(with a certain male coming along and like “fixing” her or something whatever I guess): for having been victimized by a male of course that’s what happens to FEMALES victimized by males another example being how a blonde girl/blonde woman having been liked by the male protagonist but she got sexually abused by her own father so let’s condemn and demonize her cause she got victimized by a rather abusive make obviously

​@@noorbohamad5796 tbh if Meg was a guy it wouldn't really be talked about in this way. So many male characters get away with stuff like this or worse w/o being vilified by viewers. Ex. Aladdin, Bruce almighty, she's all that, 10 things I hate about you, breaking bad etc. I do see your point but I feel like you can't just genderswap an issue like this: Meg's situation is much like so many women today and in history, stuck with an abusive husband/boss with no way to get out of her situation because he controls her life. Yes men can get abused too but this is faaaaar more common and systemic with women. That's why it warms my heart to see them acknowledge the fact that she is a victim, even though what she's doing is wrong.

That's something as a kid I always liked about David from Lilo and Stitch. Other guys were very pushy in movies (even in disney), but David was ok with waiting for Nani until she was in a better place. He spent time with her and her family without any pressure or anger that they couldn't date yet.

@@happybunnyntx David is a gem

@@happybunnyntx It’s also clear that David has a great relationship with Lilo (like an older brother) and that his friendship with Nani is also solid. He could have easily been bitter toward Lilo and tried to convince Nani to give her away, but he knew how important they were to one another; glad he wasn’t a “Nice Guy”.

THIS! On both parts. Shang had to almost pretend to hate Mulan for military/legal reasons. He did what he could do until all hell breaks loose and he could actually "listen to a woman." Naveen is straight up sex and I love that he learns to be more than that. He's a playboy who finds out there's more to life and that's actually kind of awesome.

@@TheMedicatedArtist david is a good egg.

They did a video about "Beauty & The Beast".

I will have to rewatch that movie at some point. It was my first movie I saw in theater when I was about five years old and I hardly remember anything.

THESE BOTH OF THESE

Pacha and Chicha are literally couple goals.

both is good

AND , Anastasia, anya and demitri

Yeahhh

Actually Disney bought the movie so it technically is now!

They are my all time favorite couple

But their relationship starts in a toxic way as well. Dmitri lies t her all the way to Paris and wants to gain his own benefits from her situation.

@@dianapopova8783 well, as person who know reality of those times in Russia - it is not 'toxic', this is how people want to survive

What I particularly love about that relationship is that it's a slow burn throughout the movies ❤

@@MikaMoonlight Plus he gets burned while working at the restaurant. He also jokes that she could date him, and they'll call it even when he gets her a job at the grocery store and she thanks him, asking him how she can repay him

Just going to say, Lilo and Stitch feels VERY different when watching as an adult, and knowing just what Mr Bubbles was doing there. The aliens coming in to blow everything up actually eases the tension.

Watching Lilo and Stitch with adopted siblings has given me a completely new perspective of this film. Mr. Bubbles is the antagonist for most of the movie, but he really does want what's best for Lilo. Furthermore, he is right. Nani is not in a position to take care of Lilo at the beginning. By the end of the film they have two new parents and the situation has changed for the better. Bubbles lets the family stay together because now that is what's best for Lilo.

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Also Shang looked so disappointed that she was a girl 💀

​@@ellielovegood6307 dude is literally bisexual in denial 😂

His voice actor is gay also

@@ellielovegood6307 because he might have been kind of deceived? along with like literally all the other guys?

​@@noorbohamad5796you're a breath of fresh air 👌

Yes I’ll always loved them! 😭

Same here. I grew up an only child, not rich but not wanting for anything really, not spoiled but I never went hungry. Huge room, 4 poster bed, all that. My husband shared his room with his 3 brothers, didn't have hardly anything, and used an outhouse. DIRT poor. It really has shaped our lives, which in turn has shaped our marriage.

@@mamaseesa3122 so then um uh you’re middle class? neither crazy rich nor very poor is basically how I’d define middle class

And herc umm unalived her and her kids in the og myth I think

@@gumdropthedutchie9012 In minecraft.

@@kendrajade6688 sorry what?

@Dustin W Megara was his first wife, iirc, the reason he had to do his 12 labors.

@@gumdropthedutchie9012 It's a thing where streamers and TRvidrs will say 'I'll kill you...in Minecraft.' It's like to get around censorship or something, I think.

I thought it was bc they saw her chest binding 💀 and then after that it was bc she dressed feminine

​Captain Mercurian true but its still kinda funny that "Ping" had *shorter* hair than a bunch of the men but the exact same beautiful womanly face and feminine voice as Mulan yet everyone is still like 😱 she's a ladyyyy?!?! Only when they see the chest binder. I feel like Li Shang was attracted to Ping, felt conflicted about it and overeacts during the big reveal ngl 😬

Captain Mercurian 😂

​@@babyramses5066It's a slight cheat in the animation choices. Mulan as Ping not only has her hair up etc. but her eyelashes are drawn thinner when she's in disguise, and come back thicker when she's "revealed" to be a woman

Google a history of male affection on art of manliness

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@@CinemaTherapyShow how lovely

Yeah imagine Tritan just going “you know i bet I’d look great with legs and it would be a great diplomatic opportunity…”

@@FioreCiliegia Well I mean that one makes sense as its a physical change, land or sea, it isn't just about a parent holding on or letting go. And honestly, a parent sticking around TOO long (Cinderellas stepmom, The Evil Queen from Snow White etc) can be a negative.

@@celianunn2070 Why does nobody know their names are Lady Tremaine (Cinderella) and Queen Grimhilde (Snow White)

@@FioreCiliegia That would've sucked for Ariel. I'm sure she very much appreciated the distance from him considering he's a terrible parent.

@@MisterMuffinut While I did know Lady Tremaine's name, I never heard of Queen Grimhilde before. Ive only ever heard her be referred to as "The Queen" or "Evil Queen" (or Regina) So maybe that's why

That's pretty cute ♡ hope your family stay healthy and together

😭😭😭😭 This is so cute😍

@@vicram7022 The *relationship* is healthy. Physically, well, turns out we're a bit of a genetic mess.

@@AndreaDiaz-rc3iy Thank you!

When there is understanding, love can last a long time! So sweet of your parents for putting that first. I hope your mom is okay now btw

You're so welcome! And thank you for your kind words!

Their cats though, being a single parent is normal lol

@@katlyndobransky2419 yeah obviously but it's a cat love story depicting human themes for humans to watch. The fact that the "single mom" theme wasn't shown in a negative light still counts for a lot.

@@LoreCatan no yeah I totally agree, but I feel like this theme would stand out a lot more if it was about an actual human single mom with children. I think this story’s message is mostly the fact that a single mother can still fall in love with a guy that loves her and her kids equally. I never questioned the fact that she was a single mother as a kid because they’re cats, and I knew that with animals, being a single parent is normal. Ofc changing the cats to humans would make the story really boring for a child, and I still love it non the less. But I feel like the idea of Duchess not being shamed for being a single mom falls flat just because she’s cat. However in all cases, single parents should NEVER be shamed. People change, and sometimes tragic things happen that we cannot control. Which is why I love the Aristocats’ message that some strangers can become family

Yeah, it’s definitely more progressive for its time and the owner herself is a happy bachelorette and not pining for a man. It’s too bad my 4 year daughter mover got into the movie 😔

Unless their kids turn out to be criminals. 😂👌

Thanks for watching and for your suggestion!

its part of disney now. they bought the rights to it

@@sierralovat5498 if that's true: i hate it respectfully 😭🥲

Yess, we need an Anastasia and Dimitri relationship video.

For years, we go around correcting people only for Disney to retroactively flip the tables

Definitely one of my favourite non-Disney movie but wouldn't their relationship be on par w/ Hercules and Meg? He was only using her and didn't expect to fall in love. He got extremely lucky that she ended up being the real princess. Unfortunately, as w/ most Disney movies, I feel sad when I think about the true story.

Honestly, group of friends is the dynamic. It's only hinted at the very end of the movie that there might be the very buddings of a future romance, but "romance" is a change in their relationship, not what it was for most of the story.

They are most definitely our fur babies

My cat is named Berlioz. Love the aristocats.

I can understand Edgar being pissed off though. He worked for the old woman for years but she leaves her money to her cats. Doesn't excuse him trying to kill them though.

@@Xehanort10 to be fair, this is an education issue. No one ever told him cats DON'T have nine lives.

@@Xehanort10 but the money would go to the cat’s _caretaker_ AKA him! All Edgar had to do was wait and he would have gotten the fortune anyway! Duchess can’t exactly take him to court over what he spends the money on 😭💀

Well Tarzan should have left anyway, he didn't need to take the leader role, his family and friends would be fine without him. he is a human and belongs in civilization with other humans, not a jungle with a bunch of animals.

Yes! The show was great and it was great to see their married life

I'm so happy that someone else has also watched this series! Tarzan was my favorite movie as a kid, then I was obsessed with the show. I loved getting the deeper look into Tarzan and Jane's Relationship after her difficult choice made.

@@spamachuchan8824 Yessss the show is sooo good! They have their problems but it’s the way they always find an equal compromise

I haven't watched the series. But this scene is actually the one from the movie Tarzan and Jane

I’m sorry to say that I hated it as a kid because my mom made us watch it at all times and it’s because she saw it when she was a kid herself and she was just reliving her childhood I’m ok watching it now she was actually extremely happy that Netflix had it and rewatched it all

I don’t really feel like it’s really all that “rare” for Disney couples to idk 🤷‍♀️ take kind of a while longer than some couples I guess to have their like romance/s like bloom or whatever

Oh yeah indeed a lot of mutual-ness between them indeed and all that stuff you’ve already mentioned so that I wouldn’t have to explain why to like Tarzan and Jane

SAME THO??? i mean, i´m extremely biased when it comes to Tarzan, it´s my favorite Disney movie after all, but being totally honest, i think Tarzan and Jane are my favorite Disney couple. I just love Tarzan´s innocence and curiosity mixed along with Jane´s kinda of audacity and cleverness, they are absolutely ADORABLE

I absolutely adore Lotti. I think a fair number of us can see ourselves in her or see Lotti in our best friends. Tiana and Charlotte grew up in completely different backgrounds, but that never really made a difference for those two. They were just BFFs. Lotti grew up spoiled, but she was never a brat. She always went out of her way to help her best friend. Lotti may be boy, or prince crazy, but she is the definition of sisters before Mr.'s. I love that despite her dream of being a princess, she realized her friend's dream was more important.

Gosh I love your comment and this reply 😭❤️

Yup. Underrated movie for sure

Lottie is HILARIOUS.

The Princess and the frog is probably the best not talked about Disney films

You're so welcome! :)

This is one of my favorite movie ever. But I’ll be honest, the #1 reason that I want them to do it is to see Jono masterfully extract all the details that make these two ridiculously “human” for robots.

¡¡I LOVE THAT MOVIE!!

My boyfriend and I grew up loving Wall-E and just how impactful the story was about taking care of the environment, an underdog saving an entire society, and the sweet love story of two robots. We were Wall-E and Eve for last Halloween, and I think it's such a healthy and beautiful relationship when the story ends. I remember I got mad at Eve for not seeing Wall-E's feelings and needs when I was little, but she had a mission to focus on. And when she did see what he sacrificed for her and took care of her during her shutdown, she pushed aside her mission to reciprocate.

ooh have they done a ranking Pixar couples video yet? Because them, Carl and Ellie, Buzz and Jessie, Woody and Jessie, Bob and Helen Parr of course, Colette and Linguini, Lightning McQueen and Sally, and Atta and Flik make for some interesting looks at relationships all 'round! (I think I got all the main relationships in Pixar films?? I guess Violet and Tony count too??)

Yasss! They need to include WALL·E and eve in their ranks!

@JoyfulSorrow For some reason, you just reminded me of that scene in the movie, where the guy is having a glass of wine at an outdoor cafe, and he sees Roquefort the mouse chase the alley-cats. He looks at the bottle next to his glass for a second, before dumping its contents out onto the sidewalk. It was, like, "I've had waaay too much to drink." (9/28/2022)

@@daniellemusella1594 That was a fun scene. 😄

@@daniellemusella1594 That was EXACTLY the scene I was going to comment on, when I saw this... It was hilarious!

Couldn't have written or expressed that better myself, EXACTLY like my thoughts..!😸😻

Wait a minute... ARISTOCATS How did nobody catch this pun! You cheeky bastard!

That's interesting! As an Asian, I never realize this because the gender color assignment (i.e. red/pink = feminine; blue = masculine) is based on a Western culture. I'm sure in many Asian countries there is gender color assignment, but not necessarily the same formula (e.g. pink/red in my culture is worn by manly men).

@@pGFTuv in Western countries, until the last centuries (when colors were inverted), red/pink was used for males too, because it was related to blood, so courage and strenght, and blue was used for women because it was related to purity (ie. The dress of Holy Mary)

It's almost certainly just natural highlights and a way to show variety in character design. Yao has reddish hair outlines too. Some people have natural reddish highlights. Using red can also indicate a more brown shade rather than black. Using blue highlights in the hair tells the viewer that the hair is truly inky black, rather than brown.

Rebound couple huh?

@@q12aw50 But it can work if you put the right effort into it.

I actually didn’t consider that angle with his own dad. Who he only lost like days ago and she even consuls him about it after he found out. Like, she gets it. Good catch.

@@ThePa1riot I simultaneously loved and hated Mulan for trying to console Shang in that moment. She did what was in her nature; she saw someone hurting, and tried to ease that pain. And I love her for that. But on the flip side, her doing so reminded Shang that he couldn't be a grieving son in that moment; he had to step up and be a military commander. To him, a Commander cannot show weakness in front of his troops. He had to set aside his pain, his father, and his duty as a son to keep things moving so that more people didn't suffer the same fate. And every single time, I wish I could reach through the screen to tell her to give him a few minutes more.

@@warriormaiden9829 Right, it is bittersweet, because they are not at that level of vulnerability in their relationship yet, but a really great character moment for both of them.

i agree

@@warriormaiden9829 He would have had to face that eventually though. He did have a responsibility to carry on. If anything, her giving him her condolences might have made the reality of being orphaned so suddenly a little easier.

i feel like he was just more of uncomfortable than wanting to respect her, he seemed really thrown off by her weird actions.

@@dollpickle he was an innocent teen but when he gulped when her strap was down he was definitely nervous. He was never exactly taught about flirting and such.

lol

Respecting her? There was no reason for him to believe he would be disrespecting her if he reciprocated her advances. As far as he knew, she was very interested in him, and it wouldn't have been against either of their wishes-- especially hers-- had he, again, reciprocated her advances. It wouldn't have made Hercules a bad guy, had he done so. He had no context, and was oblivious to her circumstances.

Yes. I agree. That was awesome that they incorporated that into the movie. Tho I do think it had more to do with him just being uncomfortable in the first place as he's never been in a relationship before, but it's very nice to see that he's respectful of her anyway

They did a video about Kristoff and his relationship with Anna.

This comment needs to go to the top of the pile!! I think Mulan is the most powerful story of respect between a man and a woman, and one where the man must actually confront all his prejudice about women, making the choice to value and support her because in proving herself she gives him no alternative. But it's in line with what you said about their trauma bonding, and feeling most connected to her, like when she gives him her support in the camp and when his father dies, because she's almost lost her father numerous times (when he fought and then when he was conscripted). It's also why I find it so cute that he's completely disarmed by her by the end, he's unused to the feeling of being on equal footing with a woman. Ah, Ancient China.

Ooooh, I agree. I like this angle.

Yes! I think the fact that he left her alive is proof that not only did he see her as an equal but he also saw her side in wanting to protect her dad, it's just that he is also a leader and has to follow the rules so that his men will trust and follow him.

YES. Shang and Mulan have massively strong chemistry because they are character foils. they each feel trapped by the gender roles they were raised in, but Mulan says "enough is enough" and casts off her obligations to femininity at the very beginning of the movie, as soon as her father is threatened. her goal is simply to protect the people she cares about, by any means necessary. Shang is kind of a representation of the equally stifled other path. he was raised with obligations toward performing masculinity, and that has led him to his position at the start of the movie, as someone who is leading soldiers for the first time, and trying to do it well so as to put respect on his father's name and career. this concept of being someone respectable for the honor of one's family can be seen in Shang's attempts to lead his soldiers, and in Mulan's attempts to become a perfect bride. we even see these systems represented in the characters of the matchmaker on Mulan's side, and the emperor's attendant who constantly follows Shang around, recording everything he does and judging him. the scene where Mulan tells Shang that she thinks he's doing a good job, even though the attendant guy is constantly complaining, is important. because it shows that Mulan understands his struggle, even if Shang isn't privy to how different her perspective really is. Shang is still responding to his obligatory role, and Mulan knows that that's difficult. she's felt it too. but also, she only ends up in the same place as him because she rejected her prescribed role, and this frees her up to consider out-of-the-box options. like, Mulan isn't instantly good at masculinity either! she struggles with it, and it is not portrayed as the answer to her woes, or anyone else's for that matter. these expectations lead Shang's father to his death, and nearly kill Shang and all of his men as well. Mulan saves them in the mountains, because she is different from them. they could not do what she did. and by the end of the movie, what we're basically seeing is a reversal of positions, even as they lessen the burden of expectations for one another. think of it this way: Mulan was initially expected to be a good bride, but was judged inadequate by society's standards. then she goes off to be a soldier and eventually excels when placed under different expectations... but the key to that, is that she's being judged by Shang. and he is the type who eventually comes around on her methods when they're effective... he would rather see her succeed than be staunchly archetypal. meanwhile at the end of the movie, Shang doesn't have to exist in the context of war anymore, which frees him from the expectation that he be a good soldier, and the judgement of those who felt he was performing inadequately. he then goes to Mulan's home and tries to make a good impression by a different set of standards... and you know he'll be okay, because the one who would be "judging" him, is Mulan. the ball is in her court now, and she is equipped with the wisdom to both be herself, and let him be who he is. she doesn't need him to be archetypal if they can find a way to be happy.

Does everyone agree that Mulan 2 was garbage though?

At least it’s better than the disaster that’s the live action.

I haven't seen it... Because, the Animated film exists.

The bisexual energy in this show radiates like freaking Chernobyl man. And I’m sure its played for comedy (bc I believe they both have said they’re straight), but still. Damn.

YES!☺ They are my FAVORITE couple 😽😽

You mean Aristocats

stepdad goals for sure!

@@pokemonacer autocorrect 🙄

I was going to thumb this up, but the Duchess comment gave me flashbacks to my short time as a furry. I shuddered. But yeah, O'Malley was a really good person, even though he was a cat. I recommend you watch don Bluth's Banjo The Woodpile Cat before it gets locked up in a vault somewhere like Gone With The Wind did just for keeping itself in-theme for the movie's setting, oh, and the era it came from. *Any who forget history are doomed to repeat it. And we're starting to see that happen.*