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Onboard the SpaceX Starship 2.0 in Detail - What it takes to go to Mars | Detailed Breakdown
The layout of the ship follows two guiding functional necessities, zero-G environment, and low gravity. Logically each floor must be designed to accommodate these necessities plus, survival, and psychological needs of the astronauts. Naturally all life support systems will be located at the lower levels along with all hardware, tools among other crucial gear for the space journey and living on mars.
The top floors are for living areas and the flight deck.
A good starship design needs to follow simple rules. Easy to use and fix.
Problems that might arise throughout the journey need to be identified quickly and be simple to solve by anybody on board. If complex problems arise, crew anxiety and stress may lead into further problems risking the mission.
Lastly, everything on the ship must be monitored with visual information available on all floors, especially CO2 levels. User interface must be clear and simple to understand.
References and Further reading
Nature - Radiation shielding
www.nature.com/articles/s4159...
CO2 CDep
technology.nasa.gov/patent/TO...
optimal radiation shielding of astronauts
agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.c...
Solar-Electrochemical power systems
ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19950...
mars fact sheet
nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary...
RXF1
www.nasa.gov/vision/space/tra...
oxygen tank
www.lindedirect.com/resources...
aluminum vs carbon fiber
dragonplate.com/carbon-fiber-...
how much poop astronauts create
www.theverge.com/2015/11/23/9...
Whipple Shield
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipple...

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@oO0Xenos0Oo
@oO0Xenos0Oo Yıl önce
I am pretty sure they will not build a one-fits-all solution. Cargo will be send to mars ahead of time. The human transport configuration will only hold the supplies that are needed for the transfer. Also i do not expect to have a full flight control deck for all crew members. I imagine something similar in size to an airplane cockpit. Why would the system do need a lot of human interaction, if the starship is designed to fly without crew and carry cargo on its own anyway?
@nulled7888
@nulled7888 Yıl önce
Agreed ;)
@bobbyjamescote5525
This makes sense to me... 💯
@nulled7888
@nulled7888 Yıl önce
Actually 2 ppl should really be enough.. or maybe even one
@keithscommunityanddomestic9513
If something goes wrong, it's generally a good idea to have backup systems. Also they will need to be monitoring all kinds of different things on the screens and different pilots will probably have different controls.
@nulled7888
@nulled7888 Yıl önce
@@keithscommunityanddomestic9513 maybe until spacex is ready for mars we already have neuralink up and running, so u can do that from all around the ship.. im just kiddin obv, but still fun to think about
@themercer4972
@themercer4972 Yıl önce
This was fantastic. It is exactly the sort of info a sci-fi writer wants to have.
@human_shaped
@human_shaped Yıl önce
Fiction, indeed.
@ExtraEcclesiamNullaSalus
Exactly.... not going to happen
@psdaengr911
@psdaengr911 Yıl önce
You need more imagination than this video based in fact and evolving reality to be a good "hard" sci-fi writer today.
@NaturallyFitNow82
Because it's still Sci fi. Wake up.
@holgi3115
@holgi3115 Yıl önce
@@NaturallyFitNow82 Wake up there's not much time left to wait)
@LaserGuidedLoogie
Nuclear power for the win. Thanks for making this, I love it when airy speculation gets broken down into details that make sense.
@sgtsan6976
@sgtsan6976 Yıl önce
I was under the impression that the supply ships would be sent first, so the starship carrying the astronauts would not need everything for the full 5-year mission. Just for the journey to get them to Mars lightening the load.
@trygswyrmwoodside3229
And even after that, when they are sending multiple ships per window, entire ships can be supply ships that are unmanned.
@danielbuggie591
@danielbuggie591 Yıl önce
That's the plan. Especially since the expectation is it would need to generate fuel on Mars to get back to Earth, there is no way they'd send people that way unless they were sure they could top off the tanks to get home.
@worldcomicsreview354
unmanned supply ships landing first and sending back telemetry will also be good data so the manned landing goes perfectly
@trygswyrmwoodside3229
@@worldcomicsreview354 Yes. I think some people don't understand the 2 year transfer window thing, and it's throwing them off. There's going to be many starships in orbit, and they are all going to go at once every 2 years. Less than half will be manned I would assume.
@stellaoh9217
@stellaoh9217 Yıl önce
You were under the impression Musk is actually going to Mars? LOL. Sucker....
@MichaelKubler-kublermdk
This is awesome and very much what I've been thinking about. I've written 100+ pages of content about going to Mars and living there and just some of the technical challenges. The getting there bit is a big one that I don't think enough people have thought about. This is the greatest detail I've seen on the topic
@erictesch
@erictesch Yıl önce
Elon stated with a slide back in September 2016 that mars missions should take 2024: 140 days 2027: 150 days 2029: 140 days 2031: 110 days 2033 90 days NASA has shown 30 days on Mars is possible to return before the planets are out of alignment meaning a full mission could be 330 days long instead of 5 years That’s 5.53x shorter of a mission Daily ration 2.5kg Food 3kg water 1kg oxygen CO2 and hydrogen can be converted to Methane and water using the Sabatier reaction and H2O can be converted to hydrogen and oxygen using electrolysis so this can mostly solve water, fuel, and waste issues meaning roughly 2.24x less mass per astronaut. This can effectively bring the mass requirement down to 825kg per astronaut (+ 75 kg astronaut + 75kg water) At ~1000kg per astronaut, 10 astronauts would only need 10,000kg for a return mission instead of 118,625kg
@emma-ns6fj
@emma-ns6fj Yıl önce
do you know what type of power would fuel the inside? for example nuclear or solar or both?
@beyondplanesight
@@emma-ns6fj nuclear wouldn't be feasible as it's large, heavy, and highly complex. Nuclear power just boils water to turn a turbine to generate electricity. Solar would be the most beneficial as the ship would have 24/7 solar radiation. There could be a heat exchanger that could help save energy by utilizing the light below UVB that solar uses to generate additional electricity.
@emma-ns6fj
@emma-ns6fj Yıl önce
@@beyondplanesight interesting 🤔 but wouldn’t the solar power get weaker as the ship moved further from the sun?
@beyondplanesight
@@secretname4190 you are correct that nuclear submarines have small reactors. The submarine costs $3.45 billion with the reactor costing $200 million or more, aside from cost, spent steam at low pressure runs through a condenser cooled by seawater and returns to liquid form. The water is pumped back to the steam generator and continues the cycle. Any water lost in the process can be made up by desalinated sea water added to the steam generator feed water. There is no seawater in space to cool the steam so it would not work. Solar arrays are much cheaper and simpler to install and can be pointed at the sun for 24/7 energy. If we could develop an energy source alternative that does not require heating steam to turn a turbine, then that could be used but there is little out there that has been proven to work at a commercial or industrial level.
@gfopt
@gfopt Yıl önce
One small thing I noticed- the chairs on the flight deck are oriented poorly for bellyflop reentry.
@AdrieKooijman
@AdrieKooijman Yıl önce
The ship will probably reconfigure itself. 🙄
@veergauba
@veergauba Yıl önce
Bellyflop won't be possible with any system like this. Imagine all those tons of water sloshing around...
@psdaengr911
@psdaengr911 Yıl önce
@@veergauba Water won't be carried down o earth and belly flop landings aren't feasible for a Mars landing.
@jamespayne8252
@jamespayne8252 Yıl önce
Hey brother love your videos and I'm always excited every time I see a notification from you. Thank you for all you do and you keep making these videos and I'll keep watching!!!!
@LG-qz8om
@LG-qz8om Yıl önce
Best technical details I've ever seen. Very informative.
@RofelRolf
@RofelRolf Yıl önce
As a 3d and Render Artist I´m thrilled by this dramatic illumination. Man, good job!
@doctorPaule
@doctorPaule Yıl önce
You worked out many constraints. Very good! The "belly flop" reentry phase means that seats need to swivel from down-toward-the-bottom-of-starship to down-toward-the-belly and back in a few seconds. This constrains the configuration of landing seats.
@allangibson2408
@allangibson2408 Yıl önce
Or you spilt the difference and have the seats at 45 degrees to the engines or bottom of the ship…
@bernieschiff5919
The interior seating or couches might be reconfigured and repositioned for departure, zero g coast phase, and landing. Not really needed in zero G. Design for multiple use of major components are essential.
@eatonkuntz
@eatonkuntz Yıl önce
If all the seats face away from the belly it wouldn't be too bad. You would be comfortably reclined during the belly flop and upright during launch.
@bernieschiff5919
@@eatonkuntz An airline row seating configuration is probably a realistic solution, there may be others. The couches would need to rotate up around their midpoint about 30 degrees for the decent and then quickly pivot back to horizontal for launch/landing. Space X will probably adapt existing seats they use now for the Dragon capsule.
@mrsupremegascon
@mrsupremegascon 11 aylar önce
Is that really necessary ? Why do they need to rotate just for the few seconds of belly flop ? Geniune question.
@GinoACosta
@GinoACosta Yıl önce
The best solution, as was mentioned, is to have unmanned construction machines go to Mars, have them build a base, preferably carved inside a rock cliff of a lava tube, and have multiple ships, each carrying a small number of people. Also, an amazing amount of materials could be gotten in-situ on Mars, oxygen, carbon dioxide, etc., and water could be made from those, assuming lots and lots of frozen water doesn't already exist there
@brandonberchtold9484
Great video! They likely would be able to tap oxygen directly from the main oxygen propellant tank though, so that would save a lot of mass from the oxygen tanks you factored in.
@sewi014
@sewi014 Yıl önce
Similar with water as you can use the waste water from the hydrogen fuel cells to supply the crew. Shielding is another point, if 2mm of shielding is enough there is no way 5cm wouldbe used throughoutthe whole ship. That would mean a safty factor of 50x which i way overengeniered even if we arent talking about mass critical applications like space travel, and as mentioned a segnificant ammount of shielding could be provided by water tanks and other storrage as well as the structure itself with some areas havong more shielding to serve as shelter during solar storms or while travenling through the van allen belts for example where you have to factor in increased radiation levels.
@LordMoriancumer
@LordMoriancumer Yıl önce
You can reclaim oxygen, recovering 75% of it, and reduce the O2 requirements by several factors. Also, you can achieve over 90% water reclemation reducing the water requirements by 8-10x. this reduces the consuables of O2 to just 250gms / day / person, and water to less then a liter / day / person. even with a water budjet of 20L / day, 1 cubic meter of water / person would be enough water for 18months. 1 cubic meter of liquid O2 would be enough for 1 person for 12 years. The rest of your numbers seem to be close to the mark, and the production quality is realy spot on! good work
@Agent2053
@Agent2053 Yıl önce
You hit it on the nail. Only big issue will be food, power and fuel use.
@RideAcrossTheRiver
It's like nobody knows this has been under study since 1970.
@LordMoriancumer
@LordMoriancumer Yıl önce
@@Agent2053 I don't see power as an issue, with a few kilopower reactors from NASA or a small 1MW SMR can easily fit within the mass savings from O2 and Water recycling.
@Agent2053
@Agent2053 Yıl önce
@@LordMoriancumer True enough and thus the fuel tank itself can be smaller as the only fuel needed will be to achieve escape velocity, corrective maneuvers, entry burn and landing. The remaining power could be from the reactors for the 6-7 month trip. Lift off from Mars is another topic but Mars atmosphere is thinner so they could make escape velocity on far less fuel. Smaller fuel tank means more cargo space and more living quarters for more people. Nuclear really is the way to go like you said.
@Agent2053
@Agent2053 Yıl önce
@@RideAcrossTheRiver You'd think after so long we would have this down. However up until private industry got a hold of the space industry. The industry was stagnant. The "magic" was gone after Apollo. Glad to see it's being revolutionized. SpaceX isn't bound by government budgets, committees and politics. It's why Musk keeps SpaceX private and not public cause he does not want investors or external interests interfering.
@sunburst6598
@sunburst6598 Yıl önce
Fascinating yet so scary, I cant imagine living in a pod for 7 months, weightless, and with very risky components and possibilities. Much respect to the brave astronauts
@deniswilloughby2662
That's really a good try at estimation, it highlights how difficult space can be, great insight. Looking forward to seeing the following episodes.. Thanks.
@krishnachandradas8386
Crew can also workout in gym room to create energy, in other word turning foods into storage energy, for various electric necessity in the ship.
@runningray
@runningray Yıl önce
Really enjoyed your video. Pretty thought out. There is a couple of items that are usually ignored that bothers me. 1) Starship when vertical has an up and down, but Starship when horizontal also has a up and down. When it's landing you want the people in the bridge of the ship to be upright. So the op's deck of the starship will probably look like the Dragon capsule. With 4-5 chairs sitting "upright" when the ship is doing it's flip maneuver to land. 2) The center of Starship will not be a "tunnel", but a "column". The main ship plumbing will be in the central column running down the ship, top to bottom (which will include the downcomer). That column should have hand rails / steps so people can climb up and or down the ship. Also, you wouldn't have a long tunnel running top to bottom. You will have a ladder going down only one floor at a time, with a slight off center look to the next ladder going down to the next floor. Like this, nobody will every fall more than one floor on Earth or Mars gravity and not 5-6 stories down. 3) I feel people that do these designs need to add water tanks between every floor, not to mention all sorts of wiring. So the in between the floors need to be much thicker, not just one level on top of the next. Because of this, I don't think Starship will have as many levels as people think it will.
@shoobidoobi1993
@shoobidoobi1993 10 aylar önce
Great comment on the middle column and the offset of level entries
@andrewreynolds912
@andrewreynolds912 2 aylar önce
It's possible it could be a 100 percent for water reclamation
@HDnatureTV
@HDnatureTV Yıl önce
I love the fold out beach chairs for the flight deck! I hope they ad some mood lighting for day, dusk, and night operations.
@davidwefler5716
@davidwefler5716 Yıl önce
Lol I hope your joking about the "day, dusk and night operations" since there isn't really a dawn, day, dusk, night cycle in space ...but that has always been a problem with being in space for astronauts the human body does depend on something called Circadian rhythms though....
@dackel4253
@dackel4253 Yıl önce
I love these kinds of theory crafting and technology/number comparison! Paired with great graphics and voice over, this video really was absolutely incredible!
@darrennew8211
@darrennew8211 Yıl önce
You should look at Thunderf00t and Kurzgesagt for more info about traveling to and colonizing mars.
@dackel4253
@dackel4253 Yıl önce
@@darrennew8211 I already know Kurzgesagt, but Thunderf00t is new! Thanks for the suggestion!
@darrennew8211
@darrennew8211 Yıl önce
@@dackel4253 Oh, and there's also Common Sense Skeptic, who debunks all things Musk. trvid.com/video/video-cDYt-phUAxY.html
@fistpunder
@fistpunder Yıl önce
I'm starting to like your videos.This is the second one I have watched and I like your narration style along with the humorous comments you throw in for fun. Nice work.
@TheGabbaghost
@TheGabbaghost Yıl önce
I really love the quality of this video! And the topic too. Awesome work, Thank you!
@averagejoe8255
@averagejoe8255 Yıl önce
Looking forward to your next video. A nuclear propulsion solution has always been the best method to reach Mars. Let’s hope they develop one.
@SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim
now i know what to expect next Sunday when i get into one of these ! thanks 😊
@naga7647
@naga7647 Yıl önce
I'm so glad you used SI measures. thanks from S.Korea!
@MysterCannabis
@MysterCannabis Yıl önce
That was absolutely fascinating to watch!
@tonywilson4713
@tonywilson4713 Yıl önce
Sorry to all but, this is disgraceful idiocy masquerading as engineering and scientific fact. FYI - I am an aerospace engineer and I'd love it if we had a spaceship that could go between the earth and the moon or Earth and Mars, *BUT this is NOT THAT.* This is idiotic science fiction masquerading as scientific fact. Point 1) There is no space to waste on any space craft - period. Go look at any of the footage from the ISS, Space Shuttle, Soyuz, Mir and there was/is no wasted space for anything. Point 2) While we are still using chemical based rocket motors there is allowance for wasted mass. Nobody is going to waste mass on anything that is not necessary and the only things that will have multiples will be critical systems like Oxygen systems, CO2 recycling, power systems, communications systems and water reclamation. Look at 30seconds for the gym area and then the detailed view at 3:30. There's 4 treadmills, 3 showers and 3 toilets and most stupidly of all 3 weights benches which wont work in free fall. *This's not even good enough for science fiction, it's ignorant science fantasy.*
@gordonbyron5145
@gordonbyron5145 Yıl önce
Yeah, too bad its never gonna happen LOL
@tonywilson4713
@tonywilson4713 Yıl önce
@@gordonbyron5145 Unfortunately the Musk Rats and Elon fanbots don't care about reality let alone real engineering.
@gordonbyron5145
@gordonbyron5145 Yıl önce
@Science Revolution Wow, you are certifiably insane. I sure hope you don't own a gun.
@Yrouel86
@Yrouel86 Yıl önce
Overall this is a good initial breakdown of the challenges of such mission, however I'm hoping a future video will take in consideration not just nuclear energy but also multiple ship arriving at the same time and/or multiple cargo ship already there waiting.
@yashaswikulshreshtha1588
Well why should we even colonize mars? There's literally no way to be independently surviving there. We can't gather resources, it's not sustainable at all!
@ashemgold
@ashemgold 11 aylar önce
I would think your reasoning would be the only way they will survive. Surely they will have thought this through and have multiple redundancies available at all times. I wouldn't get on one of those boats unless I was travelling with at LEAST two other fully loaded, non-crewed, back up ships and heading to a landing zone with a number of other ships already parked and robots actively building habitation and storage on the surface. Yes that was one long sentence.
@manifestmars
@manifestmars Yıl önce
Loved the vid! I'm working on a huge simulation for getting to mars and having an ongoing station there and have come to a pretty similar conclusion. Without nuclear the amount of solar you would need starts to get crazy.
@jaylewis9876
@jaylewis9876 Yıl önce
What tool are you using fir the simulation?
@gholamrezaamin9746
با سلام : من طرحی برای تولید انرژی الکتریکی بصورت نامحدود وبدون مصرف سوخت دارم ( انرژی پاک ) که میتوان از آن بر روی زمین وسایر سیارات وایستگاه فضا یی استفاده کرد ، بدون نیاز از انرژی هسته ای یا انرژی خورشیدی .
@manifestmars
@manifestmars Yıl önce
@@jaylewis9876 Its just a numerical sim, its all running out of a spreadsheet right now but the plan is to move it to python so I can do some kind of visualization.
@hillbillyintheasia6122
@@manifestmars human in 2028 are 2030 . tesla bots on first launch .2026 and 2028
@andrewchin-aleong2877
Thanks for all your Expertise on SpaceX Rocket. I Love it!!
@joangg
@joangg Yıl önce
Congratulations. Detailed technical information with amazing visuals. Enjoyable.
@mikemounlio87
@mikemounlio87 Yıl önce
Dude wow you got a sub from me! Perfect content and exactly what I wanted to see. Thank you good sir.
@cheesesvideosstorage8070
I love this! Especially the final point at the end of the video. Sums it up nicely.
@solifugus
@solifugus Yıl önce
Very happy to see someone else doing this. However that said, I'd like to give some constructive criticism. (1) Don't do zero-G all the way to Mars--at a minimum connect two starships by the nose and rotate; (2) Don't need that much exercise equipment--they will share; (3) The flight deck could be reconfigurable for multiple uses--I suggest a classroom, lots to study en route; (4) Forget dehydrated food--use MREs + hydroponics; 1 MRE is 3-4K calories so one per person per day; (5) Obviously, you are going to recycle air and water--Mars has at least 1 liters of water ice per 1 cubic meter of regolith; (6) 600 grams of algae can exchange enough CO2 to Oxygen for an average adult, it can also clean ammonia and metals, a moss wall can do similar but directly from air as where algae will require spraying through air to capture it in water; (7) I don't think its going to need nearly as much electricity as the ISS, unless it's conducting numerous experiments and such; (8) water and plastics are great radiation insulators, yes. Also, foam the plastic and use as insulation. I suggest PVC, which will give similar radiation shielding and better insulation. Metals help block radiation but release secondary particles even more dangerous. That said, the plastic and water will block it.
@technotoaster
@technotoaster Yıl önce
Appreciate the work that went into making this video
@waynzignordics
@waynzignordics Yıl önce
Excellent work. Don't forget the sequence of events: the Moon lander Starship version will be the first prototype of the Mars lander, and be used to test out some this technology.
@Cup815
@Cup815 Yıl önce
I saw that the trip (to mars I think) would be 5 months, this is a lot like the first trip to America, it's really amazing. Based on another video I saw, it seems like the interior of the ship will be awesome. (apart from the fact that there's no gravity, but its depicted amazingly.)
@tepidtuna7450
@tepidtuna7450 Yıl önce
Agree on the nuclear energy option. Can't wait for your topic on that.
@jerryham5659
@jerryham5659 Yıl önce
You also have to consider the EVA suits of each astronaut, if you plan on them going outside on Mars
@ispartacus1337
@ispartacus1337 Yıl önce
Probably wont be necessary to go outside. A modern drone would be sufficient for just about anything that could happen on the outside of the life supporting areas.
@karspostema2762
@karspostema2762 Yıl önce
@@ispartacus1337 people need to go outside tho, touch grass, be alive! Although, there is not much grass on Mars
@darrennew8211
@darrennew8211 Yıl önce
@@ispartacus1337 Why send humans to mars if they're not going outside?
@ispartacus1337
@ispartacus1337 Yıl önce
@@karspostema2762 then those people shouldn't go to mars... there is no grass and there is no "alive" outside. They're going there to survive. Survival depends on keeping the outside OUT
@ispartacus1337
@ispartacus1337 Yıl önce
@@darrennew8211 Because everything outside is literally trying to kill you. The rocks, the sand, the wind, the weather literally everything not inside your small capsule you'll be living in is a potential death sentence. There is no hospital. The question is why WOULD you go outside?? Theres literally nothing out there. Everything in that type of environment is a risk vs reward situation. Except for the sheer amazement of walking on Mars it affords no beneficial purpose on the contrary it's dangerous everytime they open the door because there is NOTHING out there.
@theinterfaithshepherd9075
This was a great video to watch and very thought provoking. My thoughts at the end are that the trip to Mars needs to be a flotilla (maybe 3) vs one ship. This would have many benefits. The multiple ships could be used, for example, one to carry people, one to carry supplies, 3rd for fuel. The ships could be arranged during travel to provide shielding when necessary. Finally, the ships could be used as backup vehicles - should something go wrong in one or the other.
@darrennew8211
@darrennew8211 Yıl önce
You can't have three ships doing three different jobs and then use them as backup vehicles.
@theinterfaithshepherd9075
@@darrennew8211 Yes...better to have all equipped!
@Sanguen666
@Sanguen666 Yıl önce
I NEED MORE SPACE! great video! thank you for ur work!
@TheHoodGuru
@TheHoodGuru Yıl önce
Liked and Subscribed. Love anything like this. Cant wait to see Starship testing and the real deal later on.
@12_gageshotgun90
Though the mission to mars will likely consist of multiple starships to fix the wieght problem it is fascinating to see that it is theoretically possible to do the full 5-year mission with a single starship.
@jeromeneareo4730
Awesome video. Great clarity and illustrations. Thanks !
@SuperJompaVideos
I love your space videos! Please make more of them!
@tonywilson4713
@tonywilson4713 Yıl önce
Sorry to all but, this is disgraceful idiocy masquerading as engineering and scientific fact. FYI - I am an aerospace engineer and I'd love it if we had a spaceship that could go between the earth and the moon or Earth and Mars, *BUT this is NOT THAT.* This is idiotic science fiction masquerading as scientific fact. Point 1) There is no space to waste on any space craft - period. Go look at any of the footage from the ISS, Space Shuttle, Soyuz, Mir and there was/is no wasted space for anything. Point 2) While we are still using chemical based rocket motors there is allowance for wasted mass. Nobody is going to waste mass on anything that is not necessary and the only things that will have multiples will be critical systems like Oxygen systems, CO2 recycling, power systems, communications systems and water reclamation. Look at 30seconds for the gym area and then the detailed view at 3:30. There's 4 treadmills, 3 showers and 3 toilets and most stupidly of all 3 weights benches which wont work in free fall. *This's not even good enough for science fiction, it's ignorant science fantasy.*
@DivineHillz
@DivineHillz Yıl önce
No
@tonywilson4713
@tonywilson4713 Yıl önce
@Science Revolution *IF YOU THINK SCIENCE IS FAKE THEN STOP USING COMPUTERS*
@tonywilson4713
@tonywilson4713 Yıl önce
@Science Revolution In answer to you ignorant garbage and this is more for others than you. 1) They can measure spacecraft speed and location through several techniques. One of the most common is with gyroscopes as part of inertial navigations systems. Also they use the locations and angles of stars the same way sailors have for generations to get their position. 2) We know how long it takes for the Earth to go around the Sun. We know the distance and its pretty simple calculation to get the earths average speed around the sun. 3) The ISS like most satellites needs orbital boosting. Space is not the pure vacuum many think there's just very little of anything. There's still some drag just as there is for a car or airplane. Over time orbits degrade which is why you need boosting. Most satellites have small rocket motors to do the same thing the ISS does. Those that don't eventually fall out of orbit. 4) So what about the burn time of those rockets. You clearly don't understand the difference between a rocket that flies a ballistic trajectory and one that flies into orbit. What's important is how high those first stages boost the upper stages and how fast those stages are going when the booster runs out. Ballistic rockets only have to get up high. Orbital rockets have to get up high and go fast when they are high. Please don't embarrass yourself any further.
@SuperJompaVideos
@Science Revolution Tell me you know nothing about spacetravel without telling me you know nothing avout spacetravel. Usually satellites have ion-engines to boost their orbit and keep it from decaying. The ISP of an ion-engine is much higher than a lower stage of for example Saturn V, which you used for your example. Secondly you don't understand relativity, because you feel to think that space is a stream of water or some shit. Please for god's sake study the subject before thinking you know more than actual rocket engineers.
@kimrick8560
@kimrick8560 Yıl önce
Great content - This is going to be sooo incredible... imagine having other (spare) SSs going with you....? A flat tire will be no big deal. lol.
@maximus.4656
@maximus.4656 Yıl önce
Good work really indepth and nuclear for power is definitely a logical conclusion.
@TomCourtney
@TomCourtney Yıl önce
Well done, this was an excellent break down. I loved the simple to understand presentation and ways that you discussed overcoming the problems and requirements. I'm looking forward to your next video.
@philipbaker8707
@philipbaker8707 Yıl önce
This is forward planning in detail Whatever you do, this type of thinking is a mind exerciser and useful in your private and business life. Project , financial, critical path, safety, environmental, and many more plans benefit from forward looking. The main weaknesses of your forward plans will be the failure to identify all the affecting factors and this is when ingenuity and determination of those involved is required at the highest level .... Good luck with you planning .....
@StevenYoungSector01
Makes my day, when you drop a video.
@andymanaus1077
@andymanaus1077 Yıl önce
I was thinking, "They're going to need nuclear power", all the way through the second half of the video. Hydrogen cells, solar and batteries are never going to work on such a lengthy mission. Over time, hydrogen leaks through of all known materials. I would be very nervous about hydrogen tanks that were meant to last five years, or even six months, without serious leakage problems. With nuclear, there will enough power to spare to split CO² back into carbon and oxygen. This means far less oxygen will need to be transported since it can be recycled from CO². With sufficient energy available, water can also be split into hydrogen and oxygen. In this scenario, the hydrogen doesn't need to be stored for long periods, minimising the leakage losses. Recycling everything combined with utilisation of resources found on Mars will be the key to manned journeys to Mars.
@VitVoz
@VitVoz Yıl önce
The downside is the weight of nuclear reactors though
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday Yıl önce
@@VitVoz - check out NASA's "kilopower" reactor
@A_piece_of_broccoli
@@Freja_Solstheim those are micro reactors and do not provide anywhere near enough power for an entire space ship. a probe yes, a space ship that utilizes over a thousand times as much energy? nope. there is no nuclear power station light enough to provide enough energy that can be added to the ship, period.
@freedomhq4075
@freedomhq4075 Yıl önce
Hydrogen can be contained entirely in graphene I heard
@error200http
@error200http Yıl önce
Submarines are nuclear already trvid.com/video/video-8sMl6_mSSa8.html
@hectorelderflower219
SUBJECT ZERO! Could you do a refresher video on the new data on carbyne & graphyne. Can't wait to watch it!!!
@nemvus_
@nemvus_ Yıl önce
Very nice quality content. I would've liked to see some discussion on alternative solar power configuration options, for example the two fan-like panels in SpaceX's early renders. What would be the solar area and power output of those? And what about doubling it to be 4 such fans coming out of the ship? I imagine that might be enough area for even Mars-level light dimness. And I think it would reduce complexity. Plus, they're gonna need as many solar panels as possible when they get to Mars, so it wouldn't make sense not to take as many as they can carry either way.
@DanielKanemYT2
@DanielKanemYT2 Yıl önce
Amazing video mate! As always!
@5K00O
@5K00O Yıl önce
one of the best designs for a crew starship
@TheGolfdaily
@TheGolfdaily Yıl önce
EXCELLENT analysis!
@brandonfigueroa7399
Great video. I don't think the sections of the ship would be only dedicated to one thing. it is likely that there would be all elements included in each section. if they lost one section they would loose a percentage of all systems instead of loosing an entire system. if for some reason they couldn't enter the bathroom section for a week there are going to be problems. Amazing video
@mrsupremegascon
@mrsupremegascon 11 aylar önce
It's not a sub tho, I don't think that losing a section is something that they are supposed to survive.
@Kaleb_East
@Kaleb_East Yıl önce
Very epic vid... I was thinking about this stuff glad u made a video on it.. and what about all the hardware needed for mars?..
@memoric76
@memoric76 Yıl önce
Thank You For This Awesome Video!
@allanchurm
@allanchurm Yıl önce
this is brilliant ..subscribed..
@swissyodelbear
@swissyodelbear Yıl önce
very VERY nice clip.....I am really impressed, well done, you have a new follower, going to get my fellow engineers to follow too....👏👏👏👏👏
@jacquesquipere
@jacquesquipere Yıl önce
Very nice conclusion at 15:41 !
@Embassy_of_Jupiter
Great concept, now cram all the unused space full with random science/mission gear and that's what it'll look like in reality
@Olson2BW
@Olson2BW Yıl önce
I want to note that so far you have the most detailed (though still not detailed enough) floor plans and ideas what everything that will be configured on Starship and what will be needed for them to survive the trip to Mars. You didn't go into what would happen after their initial food ran out (8 months of food for a 6 month journey) which I went into more detail on. I'm far from an expert. Just an amateur enthusiasts / amateur designer/engineer My biggest weakness is drawing either in physical form or on computers.
@tjolle62
@tjolle62 Yıl önce
Thank you for a very informative video.
@joaomarques5790
@joaomarques5790 Yıl önce
Please do a video ons the spacespiner guys, those guys are brilliantly crazy!
@bitcoinzoomer9994
Love the Cave Johnson outtro
@jaybyrdcybertruck1082
Great video! love the visualizations!
@lckmyhole
@lckmyhole Yıl önce
it's gonna take a fleet of about 5-7 ships to do the trip. some will be for cargo only, and controlled from earth/computers. i also think they should be coming up with a docking/connection port that they can link the ships together, and make the trip as one bigger starship.
@kapytanhook
@kapytanhook Yıl önce
Seems smart, keep all the shielding in 1, power in the other. Only 1 ship would ever have to land or reenter earth rest can just shuttle back and forth on a free return trajectory.
@alconway8515
@alconway8515 Yıl önce
Indeed, I can imagine a connector/docking terminal for 6 Starships, rotating to produce artificial gravity and heading to Mars. Each Starship containing cargo, life support & crew or 4 containing cargo and 2 supporting crew comfortably. A number of configurations to consider for sure if multiple Starships are mated together before the journey and all able to land or only the crew Starships land once at Mars.
@werkstattkreuzberg4234
Very interesting calculations! Thank you!
@ralllao7295
@ralllao7295 Yıl önce
Wow, amazing! Godlike quality :)
@nigelgriffiths5747
Nice one ,top mark's, great stuff,🤪🤭🧐😇👍
@bored833
@bored833 Yıl önce
Awesome video! Can’t wait for the mobile nuclear reactor breakdown. Thank you man!
@Cythiamam
@Cythiamam Aylar önce
Eternally grateful
@jakobmax3299
@jakobmax3299 Yıl önce
The orientation of the seats on the flight deck could do some improvement, as the gforces during reentry should optimaly push you into the seat, with the ring config that would only be the case for a few of the astronauts so a more rektangular layout would be more comfortable. Anyway nice video in general with amazing graphics
@no4h1453
@no4h1453 Yıl önce
Good point. Although this ring config looks impressive, it is not practical and makes no sense. It would probably work well for launch but Starship is designed for reentry with the belly. Astronauts will need to have sturdy front facing sitting position during reentry.
@jakobmax3299
@jakobmax3299 Yıl önce
@@no4h1453 I actually really like the topic of reentry vehicles, and i think the main problem of the starship is gonna be reentry safety. Just think about it like you dont know anything about spaceflight. Would you rather sit on the tip of a skyscaper going mach 20 in the upper atmosphere, or a small metal box that is aerodynamicaly stable and always points right side down? Maybe starship is safer than space shuttle, but the fact you cant do preflight testfires because the tiles fall of seems kinda sketchy.
@psdaengr911
@psdaengr911 Yıl önce
What G forces during reentry? Anything that falls, falls at that same speed. Until belly flop g force would be one G minus drag. The belly flop is to limit terminal velocity by increasing drag. If the seats were mounted "bottom down" relative to the rockets and the backs aligned with the "belly" during falls in the direction of the backs, the net drag and would be perfectly aligned for those seats. Once vertical the rockets' thrust would be opposing the seat bottoms
@jakobmax3299
@jakobmax3299 Yıl önce
@@psdaengr911 when tje rocket reenters it doest feel the one g of gravity because its still fslling, but in the deceleration of the rocket is felt by the crew.This is why crews in ballistic emergency reentries fell a lot of gforces, the sttep entry int the atmosfere creates a lot of drag and thus gforce.
@jakobmax3299
@jakobmax3299 11 aylar önce
@Andrew Well im not riding on something that doesnt have a launch abort system.
@BijouBakson
@BijouBakson Yıl önce
Surely a massive challenge. Solving these problems will benefit not just those travelling, but also life here on earth as wwe are bound to discover so many things. How to better preserve food, produce effective energy, etc... My imagination keeps emitting ideas. I'm sure they've been working at it. I am also sure that eventually, they'll succeed.
@kabovasya
@kabovasya Yıl önce
Просто фантастика!!!!!!
@stellieford9139
@stellieford9139 Yıl önce
Amazing video, I love the detail
@jathalan
@jathalan Yıl önce
Excellent - but, the flight deck is set up for under gravity, micro gravity, or launch only. It would be very bad for a belly flop during landing. Gimballed seats needed.
@philliplevine9167
By biggest criticism for most these designs are they all have a ladder or elevator, ladders suck for carrying supplies up and down and elevators are heavy and complicated and have the change of breaking but allow moving supplies easier. i always though a spiral staircase either in the center or along the outer wall makes the most sense, it can be compact in the center and is the steps fold up or down it can be easily used in 0G. no moving parts to break and can be made of extremely light weight material. easier to carry supplies up and down in gravity and much easier than a ladder for every day use.
@AnonymousAnonymous-gh5fs
Ok I know other people are already talking about this but I really think its an important idea that needs to be put out there more: Long distance space ships are only going to become really effective (large number of people, fairly comfortable, etc) if they are built in space and aren't designed to exist anywhere but space. If there ever comes a time when a fleet of starships head to mars, it would be (in my opinion) idiotic not to create some sort of mothership that accompanies, and even combines with them. When this 'mothership' reaches wherever its goin, mars for example, the landing ships (starships), the crew (all, or most, or maybe only some of the crew) will leave the mothership in orbit while they board the starships, undock from the mothership, and land on mars. To me, this is the only reasonable or even feasible way to transport colonists. There is far too much room taken up by launch and landing capabilities on a single starship, and there will simply not be enough room for the number of people that SpaceX envisions living on a Starship. Istg if anybody tries to put 100 people on a single starship heading to mars they're more braindead than a rock that was diagnosed braindead by 9/10 dentists.
@Dylan-st4oo
@Dylan-st4oo Yıl önce
I came up with this idea. Basically in orbit there could be a massive station designed to act as a hub for starships. Basically, starships can be refueled, Built, and repaired up on the station
@AnonymousAnonymous-gh5fs
@@Dylan-st4oo I like that idea, but my idea is more inline with having that space station actually go to mars, and stay in mars orbit
@shrin210
@shrin210 Yıl önce
Problem is nobody is going invest such amount of money. If its possible then they will build small mothership with similar to size of starship to act like centripetal force for living purpose and stationing in space only and around orbit .
@Dylan-st4oo
@Dylan-st4oo Yıl önce
@@AnonymousAnonymous-gh5fs True. It would be nice to have one around earth though
@AnonymousAnonymous-gh5fs
@@shrin210 If the plan is to send a fleet of starships then I think a mothership the size of 2-3 starships is reasonable, and I like the idea of centripetal force. As I said, I see absolutely no feasibly way to to send that many people to mars without something like that. Elon may be ballsy but I dont think he's stupid. Any sane person could see that undershooting an investment like this and not providing a mothership of sorts would lead to nothing but disaster. So while I agree that nobody would be willing to spend that kind of money, somebody better step up soon and be willing, otherwise we will never be multiplanetary. I have hope that elon will.
@tristanmole5885
@tristanmole5885 Yıl önce
Great video and nice graphics the only thing you forgot to add was a radiator
@NicholasNerios
@NicholasNerios 6 aylar önce
Looking forward to the next video
@therichieboy
@therichieboy Yıl önce
Amazing video. Well done!
@conradokonig7383
First to the Moon and then to Mars. It is easier to assembling a bigger Starship and liftoff from the Moon or assembling like a space station directly in space...what a milestone!!
@mikecyanide7492
@mikecyanide7492 Yıl önce
Oh boy... I'm tellin! Tunderf00t!!!
@assarstromblad3280
I saw one concept about having a 30m or so long truss and attaching one starship to each end, and spinning it up to like 3 rpm would generate 1G of spin gravity in the starships, thart way you could get around the bone degradation issues. Also, 1g isnt even necessary, martian gravity would be good, getting the crew to adjust to that gravity for months before even getting there.
@Rick-vm8bl
@Rick-vm8bl Yıl önce
The bone deg isn't really a problem if you've got adiquate exercise facilities. Astronaughts spend way longer than 6 months on the ISS and they're fine.
@assarstromblad3280
@@Rick-vm8bl But they have problems walking etc even though they exercise a lot, so With spin gravity that problem is completely solved, and it doesn't really require much more fuel. It would also make way longer missions possible.
@Jowbaka
@Jowbaka Yıl önce
Why not just use a cable?
@assarstromblad3280
@@Jowbaka Probably would work well when it is spinning but starting / slowing the spin might be a problem with a cable I guess. If the ships are not 100% synced in the breaking they wouldbprobably get tangled etc
@allangibson2408
@allangibson2408 Yıl önce
@@assarstromblad3280 Cable release was a problem that air launched gliders have solved since 1920 (for exactly the same reasons). The angular velocity at release is a bigger problem.
@pailsOfGrease
@pailsOfGrease Yıl önce
What a beautiful video. Superb
@SJR_Media_Group
@SJR_Media_Group Yıl önce
Very thorough... answered some of my questions about Starship 2. First missions will not be 5 years in duration, maybe 3-6 months instead. Personally, 1 year to and from Mars and 3-6 months on Mars is not my idea of a space vacation. I have better things to do than spend 2 years on a mission that might cost me my life.
@keith6706
@keith6706 Yıl önce
Except if you want to go to Mars, 3-6 months isn't long enough.
@balventray
@balventray Yıl önce
Thank very informative
@russchadwell
@russchadwell Yıl önce
I wonder about dedicated decks in the final design. Just the way a hide-a-bed does double duty as both couch and bed, I think these floors will have design such that they each offer several functions.
@pierre.a.larsen
@pierre.a.larsen Yıl önce
Great presentation - thanks! Even if the mass to orbit remains at 100 tons (the number of raptor engines seem to provide a strong possibility for more) - it would be trivial to launch another starship with additional supplies - vis-a-vis several refueling missions. Of course this would also affect necessary delta v. However, you could instead/also launch a companion uncrewed starship for security, storage and backup.
@hillbillyintheasia6122
have at 150 tons new raptors
@pfcrow
@pfcrow Yıl önce
I was going to say the same thing. Mass to orbit is irrelevant, as you can transfer cargo in orbit. What matters is how much mass can be sent to Mars from orbit after refueling and cargo transfer. I would expect the crew won't even launch until the Starship is refueled, so they're not present during what may be one of the more dangerous operations. And of course, resupply and refueling at Mars is assumed with cargo Starships. While this could be taken a step further with resupply during the journey, that adds complexity to the mission that would be avoided if at all possible (and as argued in the video, avoiding it is clearly possible). Another option is to build a new Starship design that is essentially a booster with a detachable nosecone. In orbit, discard the nosecone, fuel it up, and then dock it with the mission Starship. This would act as an additional stage to give them a boost out of Earth's gravity. This could also result in shorter missions, reducing the cargo needs.
@gabedude68
@gabedude68 Yıl önce
Great video concept! Was actually trying to model my own version over the last month - just sharing my thoughts to some of it and some comments: They can send at least a pair of Cargo ships 2 years before the Crew mission, to have some certainties. Can also send ships in groups of 2 or more, to dock and share space, rec.facilities, expand crew social/sanity options, and even rig a simple spin-g to have modest gravity for part of the trip, and share redundancy of equipment and resources, or even emergency befalling one ship.. 6 bathrooms and 6 gym machines, for 10 crew? at that rate, might as well have en-suite bathroom and gym, just saying. Really want to see this fast tracked so I get to see us on Mars in my lifetime. Thanks!
@tonywilson4713
@tonywilson4713 Yıl önce
Sorry to all but, this is disgraceful idiocy masquerading as engineering and scientific fact. FYI - I am an aerospace engineer and I'd love it if we had a spaceship that could go between the earth and the moon or Earth and Mars, *BUT this is NOT THAT.* This is idiotic science fiction masquerading as scientific fact. Point 1) There is no space to waste on any space craft - period. Go look at any of the footage from the ISS, Space Shuttle, Soyuz, Mir and there was/is no wasted space for anything. Point 2) While we are still using chemical based rocket motors there is allowance for wasted mass. Nobody is going to waste mass on anything that is not necessary and the only things that will have multiples will be critical systems like Oxygen systems, CO2 recycling, power systems, communications systems and water reclamation. Look at 30seconds for the gym area and then the detailed view at 3:30. There's 4 treadmills, 3 showers and 3 toilets and most stupidly of all 3 weights benches which wont work in free fall. *This's not even good enough for science fiction, it's ignorant science fantasy.*
@ericgregg7545
@ericgregg7545 Yıl önce
That was pretty darn good!
@mikehartman5326
@mikehartman5326 Yıl önce
A lot of problems could be solved by not preparing everything just on the ground, but in space too. Just like and aircraft can take on external fuel tanks. External supply pods can be added to the exterior that were boosted to orbit on Falcon 9's. This is just a thought about it that others already were thinking about too.
@pi-gaming2667
@pi-gaming2667 Yıl önce
Great video! Thank you!
@darryldee467
@darryldee467 Yıl önce
It looks to be the most sophisticated space craft ever built. :)
@shanenelson3825
@shanenelson3825 Yıl önce
Lunar habitat next? or Mars Habitat? road's and bridges and light railway? Telascope base, Communication towers and open pit mining. Heavy Equipment, Landing pads.
@richard--s
@richard--s Yıl önce
Your rendering shows 4 or 5m diameter rooms (15 feet), but Starship has a diameter of 9 meters! (about 30 feet!) That's huge! It will fit much more.
@Sims64340
@Sims64340 Yıl önce
The Model 3 is under 5 m long and there was still space available behind
@richard--s
@richard--s Yıl önce
@@Sims64340 but the crew quarters sre very small in diameter. And the model 3 is very impractical because of the small trunk opening, a bad decision.
@kyneticist
@kyneticist Yıl önce
Diagrams from SpaceX show a tunnel with ladders through the middle of the ship - so that the crew can move between floors, potentially with an elevator (for those who can't just Musk-magic themselves around). The full 9 meters by most accounts is measured from the outside to the centre.
@moskito5864
@moskito5864 Yıl önce
we should try fixing 4-5 spaceships together in Orbit and disconnect them in Mars Orbit again. The medium ship could be the Center for maneuvring, this would also protect the astronauts in the middle ship from space rays, not completely but for sure more as in a solo ship. We will see. Furthermore it would be a good idea to put always 8ppl of the crew in some kind of stasis, and keeping two up per 1 or 2 month shift, it would safe food, oxygene, water and other things ♥ IN MUSK I TRUST ♥
@treva31
@treva31 Yıl önce
Great stuff!
@everettyou9155
@everettyou9155 Yıl önce
Cool stuff!!
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