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"Inting" Sion - Is It Healthy Or Toxic For The Game? | League of Legends

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For today's video I wanted to discuss the growing prevalence of Sion in the metagame, more notably the usage of a strategy involving sometimes dying on purpose to get an advantage. Is it a healthy, innovative off meta strategy or toxic for the game and should be removed?

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TableMatts
TableMatts 5 aylar önce
I've seen Yasuo players do this. Though I can't tell if they're doing it intentionally
Rock Fire
Rock Fire Aylar önce
If it ends in a kill, it was on purpose.
Certified Brackern enjoyer.
@TigerTT I would just say more popular a champ the worse their playerbase. It’s why I fear one tricks on “exotic” champs.
TigerTT
TigerTT 4 aylar önce
For some odd reason Yasuo seems to attract the worst players EVER lmao.
Geck Oh
Geck Oh 5 aylar önce
0/10 powerspike is real :sob:
Backbroke
Backbroke 5 aylar önce
Wdym? Do you not know yas spikes at 10 death? Pfft. Newb
Torakazu
Torakazu 5 aylar önce
Riot wanted to make top lane more of an island thanks to the TP changes and the introduction of hullbreaker. This is simply an outcome of their design choices for the game.
Luka
Luka 5 aylar önce
@IZ01 HAHAHA great idea
Luka
Luka 5 aylar önce
As a toplane main, mega agree on this
IZ01
IZ01 5 aylar önce
@Loga Levaard they should just transfer top laners into Howling Abyss right after champ select
Loga Levaard
Loga Levaard 5 aylar önce
Honestly at this point they should just put a big fricking wall in between top lane and the rest of the map then the only way you could leave is when teleport unlocks halfway through the game.
Quzyr
Quzyr 5 aylar önce
Actual facts my guy
Connor Sherman
Connor Sherman 5 aylar önce
My only issue with int Sion is that it becomes completely my problem as the top laner to deal with. It's not hard to deal with. It's just annoying to know that if I don't constantly stop him my team will just let him get all 11 towers.
Jon Gahimer
Jon Gahimer 3 aylar önce
@Romulus Quirinus The balance to getting counter picked is being able to tower sit, play passive, and give up some cs in order to hopefully maintain relevance for late game. Hullbreaker effectively eliminates that option, as it eliminates your safe space and punishes you for not fighting a losing matchup. And I'm sure many meta top laner's can handle him, but my problem is more with the item in general and the state of tank tops, than sion paired with it. It just feels like another slap in the face to tank tops that were already struggling. Its also frustrating that zz rot was taken out for being "problematic" but this item was fine.
Romulus Quirinus
Romulus Quirinus 3 aylar önce
@Jon Gahimer My comment was for now after the nerf, I do agree it was worse before, but that was because game balance, not because of the INTing strategy itself. It's not like the Sion player benefits much from INTing either. It is not easy to pull off and even though the team might win the game, the individual stats aren't ideal. Not many kills, no MVP and usually little to no recorded accomplishments at all even though he might've contributed the most to the win. And about fighting Sion, the majority of top champions can stop him, assuming equal skills. The most important thing is stopping his wave, not Sion himself. Of course he can run over a dome champions, but everyone counters someone else and gets countered.
Jon Gahimer
Jon Gahimer 3 aylar önce
@Romulus Quirinus The main problem is that 1 person generally can’t deal with him. Especially if you’re playing a tank like malphite, maoki, cho, Ornn etc… He gets to run you over while still taking turret. I don’t mind the split push aspect, but it should t give tank stats in addition. AD tops didn’t need more help, they’ve been dominant for 4-5 seasons now. And if your forced to send 2 or lose turret every time you lose the rest of the map by default. So outside of explicit counter picks it becomes hullbreaker champ =win, which makes for a super stale/frustrating meta. Granted it’s slightly better now after the nerfs but still.
Romulus Quirinus
Romulus Quirinus 3 aylar önce
Personally I like it, it adds variety to the game. Instead of following the same old pattern, now you are forced to either deal with Sion and let your allies deal with the others 1v1 and 4v4, or push 5v4 as quickly as possible before Sion gets what he wants. And it's not like split pushers didn't exist before too.
Melmel Hodgepodge
Melmel Hodgepodge 5 aylar önce
yeah, that's why it works, because although League is a "team" game nearly every player treat it as a single player game.
My wife left me, so now i'm a Youtuber
Honestly, its unhealthy, but when champs like riven and fiora exist, id much rather lane vs this.
Whimsical Chronicles
Whimsical Chronicles 3 aylar önce
@fartenpooperson sion vs fiora is doomed 1v1 but you can easily avoid feeding her by just afk clearing the wave
My wife left me, so now i'm a Youtuber
@Axios Schmidt it's difficult to put a good fiora/riven behind, even with jg pressure. It's insanely easy to put amazing sion players behind with no jg help. I'll take the sion mu any day.
Axios Schmidt
Axios Schmidt 3 aylar önce
The diff is that if you put riven/fiora behind its done deal. Even if you kill Sion he can still push the wave and you can't push afterwards.
TATARI14
TATARI14 4 aylar önce
@Deividy Mario once again, sorry my plat ass, that it works for me. Maybe I know something, maybe Fioras I play against are all trash
Santiago Haristoy
Santiago Haristoy 5 aylar önce
League of Legends is a team game that's balanced around soloQ, you cannot have it both ways. This game encourages and rewards you for being as selfish as possible and only doing whatever benefits you and nothing else, this strategy is the embodiment of soloQ and I think that if League is actually a team game we should start encouraging team plays instead of punishing the off-meta while allowing Trynda, Fiora, Riven, Yi, and other hypercarries and splitpushers to exist unpunished.
outasi
outasi 5 aylar önce
Inting Sion's biggest flaw is really the fact that it's "newbie bait". Saw a few videos on TRvid of someone playing it and winning and now they think they can do it too, as you've said. The problem is, how do you deal with that? How can you convince people easily that actually this is a pretty hard, even if effective, strategy that not anyone can pull off?
pwp qwq
pwp qwq 3 aylar önce
@Sage Who needs good macro when the enemies don't even deal damage to you after a while. Like, he was playing against high elo koreans and said that he doesn't care anymore, so stopped doing random shit instead of macro plays, and was still just as succesful.
Sage
Sage 3 aylar önce
@pwp qwq the only skill required is csing and macro knowledge. Both are easy to obtain by watching TRvid and practicing in practice tool
Sage
Sage 3 aylar önce
I learned how to splitpush so much playing trundle tryndamere fiora etc and i int alot. Even getting to an kinda acceptable ELO of diamond 1 but man i can't pull off inting sion.
pwp qwq
pwp qwq 4 aylar önce
Let me guess, Baus or one of the inting sion players told you that it was a hard strategy, and now since you can't really think into it since you are stuck in silver, you also believe it's hard. If you actually think this shit requires any kind of skill, you are unfortunately very mistaken
Dyler Almond
Dyler Almond 5 aylar önce
I have to still experience MF and Ashe supports no matter our team comp, it's not a Sion problem come on. People see pro players or streamers do something and they try to copy it with massively inferior results and somehow the only time its become a problem is with Sion?
Kamikaze Lemming
Kamikaze Lemming 5 aylar önce
Well, it depends. When I charge into an enemy turret, it's always when the turret is already close to destruction and I know that the enemy team is far enough away that they won't be able to stop me. This is also useful for drawing enemies away from objectives like Baron or Dragon, which can give my own team a chance to steal, or give them better odds in a fight, since someone, usually one or two of the more powerful enemy Champions, will be busy trying to take me down. Anyone who throws themselves at a full-health turret without any sort of plan other than "Run in, punch, die, punch some more," isn't even trying to win the game, as far as I'm concerned.
Arthur Rosa
Arthur Rosa 5 aylar önce
@Ishmael The great Sion has been doing this for years. . .
Đăng Hải Nguyễn
Đăng Hải Nguyễn 5 aylar önce
@Pizzo yes but before it we have a must better slip push item aka the the purple bug boy... The we have a weak slip push item make this stat less viable and now a good slip push item again
Pizzo
Pizzo 5 aylar önce
@Ishmael The great Yeah, I think we can agree that Hull-Breaker is a big part of the problem. But that just brought more attention to the build, Baus has being doing it for a long time
Ishmael The great
Ishmael The great 5 aylar önce
I think the thing that people aren’t entirely getting is that the issue might not be soon, but HULL BREAKER. Sion before Hull-Breaker was basically non-existent. He was not the best, didn’t have the damage or pressure to do much and was rarely played since you could play other tanks and do better with them. He only started to become a real problem when Hull-Breaker came into the scene and, like many other champions, he started to use it. But if you took Hull-Breaker away? Sion would go back to being non-existent.
wOkeKing
wOkeKing 5 aylar önce
@The Depressive One my bad it buffs large minions to do 200% more damage, still crazy to me
Bryan
Bryan 5 aylar önce
I do think its genuinely questionable how some people think Baus is getting carried by his champion, though. Stuff like "Baus wouldn't be his rank if it wasn't for Inting Sion" grinds my gears.
Sandro Maspindzelashvili
@Flaming Z I hope you know that if you remove a one-trick's main champion they will inevitably derank. He is not getting carried by his champ he also plays Quinn and gragas top lane.
Flaming Z
Flaming Z 5 aylar önce
Baus is kinda getting carried by his champ. I believe he has said before that sion is the reason for his rank
amitaish
amitaish 5 aylar önce
@Sandro Maspindzelashvili well, both are kinda the same I guess, except carried is a more general term? I think that being carried by a character is the same as a character being elo inflated, but you can also be carried by your team for example, so it is a more general term. At the end, being carried means winning due to something other than yourself. If it is the champion, than you can day it is elo inflated.
Sandro Maspindzelashvili
@amitaish wouldn't it be more accurate to say elo inflated instead of carried because carried is more in game
Amal Krishna
Amal Krishna 5 aylar önce
He literally made the strategy with his game knowledge, I'm sure if he mained any other champ he would find some random op strategy for it as well. In Korea now, pro players always compliment him rather than flame his pick, so that's gotta mean something
Moderocky
Moderocky 5 aylar önce
I think it's healthy to have an alternative win-condition like this that still requires skill expression (through macro knowledge + application.) I think it's unhealthy that Sion is uniquely good at this, since he will always be, de facto, the best split-pusher/side-lane farmer because his kit intrinsically benefits this style of play. This means that the balance and effectiveness of other split-pushing champions depends indirectly on Sion. You can nerf other parts of Fiora's kit (like duelling potential) if she becomes too effective at split-pushing, but if Sion is too good at split-pushing then split-pushing *itself* (side tower gold, hullbreaker, etc.) has to be nerfed, since he is good at it in virtue of his passives and Q wave clear. In effect, Sion means that other champions that could benefit from this style of side lane dominance through farming and pushing aren't allowed to, since Sion forces Riot to put an artificial cap on the strategy.
I’m Helping!!!
I’m Helping!!! 5 aylar önce
@Schere XYZ it also can see as legitimate tactic instead of just team fight, dragon, baron and repeat.
I’m Helping!!!
I’m Helping!!! 5 aylar önce
@Schere XYZ it actually more interesting than the proplay lope we’ve been watching int actually doing lot of disrespect and overly aggressive which result in more actions and relentless tower defense game.
William Mitchell
William Mitchell 5 aylar önce
@Boogie! Yorick
Schere XYZ
Schere XYZ 5 aylar önce
@LaCriaturaDelMar they start to do something about it when it affects proplay. Clepto Coin Vlad/top laners becomes a thing: both the rune and the item get deleted. Enchanters top: nerfed to the ground. Pyke mid: (tried) to nerf for years. Most obvious is probably funnel, these strats are more boring than the gameplay loop we have currently, where you can watch the first ten minutes, wait for the useless Herald flip, and then come back every five minutes to watch the dragon fight
Boogie!
Boogie! 5 aylar önce
Yorick>
Ada van Quapa
Ada van Quapa 5 aylar önce
As a Sion main I find the passive very underwhelming in the "normal" gameplay. This strategy gives you atleast something to do with it. However I dont enjoy it myself.
Lachlan wu
Lachlan wu 5 aylar önce
This isn't really relevant, but are you planning to remake the Swain Rework Retrospective? Even though what he got wasn't a full VGU, the overall changes alter his kit alot and make it feel closer to original Swain. It'd be interesting to see you cover it again, comparing Pre-VGU Swain to his most recent mini-rework
Delusion Of illusion
Delusion Of illusion 5 aylar önce
@sherbert Lemon yeah man , keep him how he was when released or as a burst mage , but dont try both , or we get thissss , or it will be unbalanced
sherbert Lemon
sherbert Lemon 5 aylar önce
@Delusion Of illusion I agree but atm in high elo only he's above 50% wr in mid. Personally I want him back top. Just give us our toggle back.
Delusion Of illusion
Delusion Of illusion 5 aylar önce
@sherbert Lemon i played swain before the rework annd i could easily carry once i gt my liandri and zhonya , just ult , dodge cc and damage with shonya , then by that time my ult damag would be charged up , then one shot with that burst damage and my q , now u do no damage at all , keep in mind healing is a worthless factoe compared to damage , as for 800 god u redue the healing by 40 % , and swains heal is not even that high , unless u trigger passive which cant haooen that often , so u get oudamaged with ur ult on , unlike before , pus u can just be cced and kited for 5 sec and ur ult usless really dum changes , no onder he needed a hotfix buff , i hope they buff his damage , or make him more of a drain tank , caise roght now he is in between and does neither role any good
sherbert Lemon
sherbert Lemon 5 aylar önce
@Delusion Of illusion it works in high elo mid. Over 50% wr atm.
Delusion Of illusion
Delusion Of illusion 5 aylar önce
this new swain kinds horrible , u have no carry potential at all , cause ur damage like shit ,
Victor Davila
Victor Davila 5 aylar önce
I have always appreciated weird unconventional champs I love singed and malzahar and I really hated that zrodportal was taken away hullbreaker gave Sion a chance to be unconventional in an effective way soo even though I admit that it can be a horrible pain in the ass to face in lane I appreciate the fact that it exists in league not everything needs to revolve around an edgy 1v9 hipermovile slayer killing everything in sight sometimes you just want to play something weird or dumb
Ichthyic Eyes
Ichthyic Eyes 5 aylar önce
It does need a certain level of macro knowledge and skill to pull off correctly. Also, from personal experience, I haven't seen many uses of this strategy (EUW bronze). As a niche play style, I enjoy seeing it, as long as it stays a niche play style. Is it toxic? Maybe, but what part of LoL isn’t?
Grace Avery
Grace Avery 5 aylar önce
Inting Sion reminds me of many seasons back when Nasus's pick rate suddenly jumped and he went from being niche and rare to a pick-or-ban champ very quickly, and league players were getting smashed by him until the community started to understand how to deal with him. He slowly became more balanced without number adjustments just because people started to understand how to play against him. Maybe some minor nerfs to Sion would help, but ultimately the community will adjust to dealing with him naturally and it won't be as oppressive.
King Nut
King Nut 5 aylar önce
yeah,alot of people have been saying playing against it is "Unplayable" or "no counterplay" but honestly if you're ahead and beat him in a 1v1 you'd just snowball on him with champs like darius,fiora,etc and then people say "but he's just gonna keep splitpushing top" then so should you if you're ahead,and if he farms up and gets ahead of you, isn't that your mistake? you should farm just as much as him. alot of things come into play here when thinking about the strategy,I don't like complaints like him oneshotting towers or killing people in his passive,cause most "meta" toplaners (mostly bruisers and etc) can do the same if not more than him if they were as ahead as an inting sion in farm at 10cs per min. the fact that the champion has to die to be useful is saying something. if a tryndamere/jax/fiora 1v5s in a splitpush and takes a tower or two no one bats an eye. but when a sion does it! SOCIETY! Society calls it broken.😔
Jimbo jimb
Jimbo jimb 5 aylar önce
Personally speaking i've always been ok with inting sion before the buffs to hullbreaker,after the buffs its just incredibly annoying for me as the guy that mostly play champs on the tankier side since fighting a sion usually means at a certain point i will just not be able to kill him before he kills tower and even if i win lane stuff like your jnglr and adc chasing after the 1/14 sion for literally 2 minutes when the guy had ghost and ulted away from them to boot,which loses us every objective possible,so personally i do not blame the strategy itself i just blame the item for making it way too easy for sion to get away with the strat
Jimbo jimb
Jimbo jimb 5 aylar önce
@Delusion Of illusion i mean yeah that's why i have always been fine with inting sion before,it's just the damn item making him extremely annoying to deal with and it just makes it feel less gratifying to win lane against him cuz it most likely won't matter 70% of the times
Delusion Of illusion
Delusion Of illusion 5 aylar önce
u need to learrn how to zone of ur opponent , if u win lane , it is ok to loss cs ifit means he dosent get exp also ,
jacob Lamoureux
jacob Lamoureux 5 aylar önce
I thinks it's a good thing overall to have other win condition like splitpusher but sion wasnt meant to such a big splitpusher when he was created (rework) i think someone like Yorick with spell that are overall good and helpfull for split is fine and there should be some the problem lies with The INTING part of sion split push...
PsQueak2
PsQueak2 5 aylar önce
This happened in ARAM and completely changed my perspective on objective design. Enemy Sion built hullbreaker, I noticed it and pinged it. Entire team laughed and started question marking, cause it's ARAM. Hullbreaker? Seriously? Yeah well we ate our words, once the game got going good his team just sat back, and he would fly at our turret and just die and beat it up. Like no counterplay. Astounded at the efficiency, we just... lost. I felt like a fool for pinging his item and making fun of it. Dumbest thing ever. And yeah, I get it was an ARAM, but point remains. In fact, the fact it worked in that setting might even be more proof to how absolutely stupid the strat is.
Zach Lewis
Zach Lewis 5 aylar önce
@Duy Tran why complain about losing to a strategy if you are unwilling to adapt your own to beat it? If you aren’t playing to win you shouldn’t be concerned with losing.
jacob huska
jacob huska 5 aylar önce
@Srijan Mishra thank you, maybe try doing the most simple math before insulting people. Ill accept the silence as an understanding.
Allan
Allan 5 aylar önce
Just block his ult
Duy Tran
Duy Tran 5 aylar önce
I like how silver comments be like "but but but you can have a bruisers/tanks body block it", "but but but you can let minion not touch your tower". It's a fking All Random/For Fun mode, you expect people to have tank/bruiser or even care enough to play that shit and not the 1300+ range poker? Also, minion management is completely neglected in ARAM, because it's a "For Fun" mode. Stop being a silver maggots.
jacob huska
jacob huska 5 aylar önce
@Srijan Mishra But please give your answer to how I was wrong in any logical reasoning... I will wait to be proven wrong.
Dr. Urlf
Dr. Urlf 5 aylar önce
I think the biggest problem is how unfair and unfun it feels to play against. If he’s on your team and doesn’t play it correctly it’s nothing different than a feeder on another champ. When you play against that abomination though, even if he feeds, he will permanently split and punishing him is literally impossible. He will get turrets eventually and that at an alarming pace in the mid-late-game.
Lily Liao
Lily Liao Aylar önce
so, just like any other champion
bob bob
bob bob 2 aylar önce
I am fine with it since riot puts dashes in every champ making sion's Q super hard to land vs newer champs these days
pwp qwq
pwp qwq 4 aylar önce
Thing is, everyone believes that this strategy is hard, but at the same time, even high elo players have trouble dealing with it most of the times, because you leave him alone on top for a few seconds and he takes a whole turret or two. Not to mention most of the times you won't even be able to deal with him alone, as thanks to hullbreaker and his W passive, he is both tanky and deals damage, which is disgusting. I play in grandmaster and everytime Sion isn't banned and someone picks him, a dodge will happen, because people don't want to play against/with that shit
fuckhead
fuckhead 5 aylar önce
The problem with """inting""" Sion is that it leads to knobheads actually inting their games because they don't get how it works, and Riot "fixes" it with a nerf that ruins the playstyle for the players who actually know the strat (we all know riot hates creative strats) and will turn off players from learning it, there are things in Sion's kit that would benefit the game with a nerf like how hard it's to punish his laning with the death timer ticking during passive and the massive buffs to his W health bonus, keep the playstyle around but nerf Sion enough so the noobs trying it will actually have to learn it
Matthewcant
Matthewcant 5 aylar önce
I would actually be more curious to see people come up with a way to try counter this. People should be rewarded in finding a new strategy and Rito needs to stop forcing champions into the image they want them to be.
RoCapBG
RoCapBG 5 aylar önce
The problem with inting Sion is how impossible it is to defend against for the enemy team, the only way to win when the Sion is playing correctly is to have some hyper scaler like Kayle or Veigar. Druttut talked about how awful it feels to play against Baus and in the regard I think the strategy is toxic for the game
Heart Duwang
Heart Duwang 5 aylar önce
Personally, I may have played the game for a long time and I'm not particularly good at the game, more of the casual level to be exact, I feel the "inting Sion" strategy is a bit unfair. It may not be as unfair as Chemdrake buff from a long time ago that was removed but once the strategy gets rolling, it is very difficult to stop it. At least with someone like a Yorick, there is a way to stop him from snowballing out of control, but when you barely manage to win a teamfight and that enemy Sion charges into the tower, often it would require more than 2 people to actively stop him from destroying any more by the time we get there. Given that his Ultimate has a low CD, its difficult to put him down, without dumping a lot of CC beforehand or recall back in time to make it back to the base. It feels like we'd be stuck in a perpetual soft-lock, wipe out the 4 enemy players? better watch out for the Sion using the Ultimate to charge into the nexus. By the time you killed him, you've probably wasted a whole minute and that alone is enough to allow his team to respawn. Overall, I don't like the strategy with the current Sion we have now, if there was a way to nerf him without crippling him, I'd like that.
That Dinosaur from Paris.
So I know this one person who always says to other people how he got "unfairly permabanned". This guy loves playing this kind of picks, another one that he uses is going double ADC botlane whenever he gets autofilled to support because, hear this, "more carries, more chances to win". This guy is seriously insane. He always throw tantrums whenever he doesn't get his way, always complaining about his enemy laner because "they are so broken". This guy also loves to boast that if he gets "serious" he would be plat in no time, and that he's "too busy" to play ranked. Mind you, this guy is silver and averages 10-12 deaths per game, even as the team carry. I would loved to shit talk this guy all day if he weren't an acquaintance of a friend. I was relieved when he said that he was going to quit league after he got permabanned, but I still sometimes still see him play. He has since toned down but is still occasionally seen raging like a bull.
Bone Crusher X
Bone Crusher X 5 aylar önce
As someone who recently picked up this sion strategy. I can actually say its unfair yet fair at the same time At the start it actually boosted my cs/min (increased from 7 to 9-10 cs/min) and I learned more on how to move around the map. That concepts actually is fair since you just punish the enemy for not knowing better The unfair part is the selfishness and pressure of that strat for both sides. The hardest part tbh in my experience is to determine which win condition should I pursue (teamfight or split) since when you choose either one you will lose greater benefits (eg. going for split makes you lose baron/drag control, going for teamfight makes you lose cs/min). Also the game at some point makes me feel like it isn't on my control anymore but on my jungler/adc's knowldege since in some games players don't know what objective to take as 4 which ends to throwing, by me overextending with nothing in return (example is one game wherein they needed camille and yone to handle me and my team still didn't setup baron as they first want to find a pick before starting it) I also infer that sion strat is also helpful towards the game specially in low elo inorder to master the map rather than the champ. Since uptil now I see many people who are good at playing their main champs but are absoulutely trash in playing around the map (like extending their lead) which causes them to be hardstuck in that elo
SnakeZmaestro
SnakeZmaestro 5 aylar önce
The reason I think this is unhealthy is- well... At some point Sion can and will get turrets even with an entire team trying to take him down, especially with the R and TP spam. It can be extremelt degenerating to play against.
Logan Gant
Logan Gant 3 aylar önce
When athemas and hull breaker where first released to me athemas seemed the more gimmicky item as you rely on your enemy to pick certain champs
Fatboy Rebel
Fatboy Rebel 5 aylar önce
The release times for Vars’ vids are acc so convenient for me- just as I finish off the last of my errands and studies for the day, I get that sweet sweet notification, where the clip lasts exactly the amount of time I need to walk home. Perfect
Paris Hart
Paris Hart 5 aylar önce
Proxy singed might be another topic to cover in this series, since it’s a very unique strategy that riot has previously nerfed. Singed is another champion that will want to die to get value/deny value using this strategy, specifically executing at T2 or T3 depending on how much they can proxy before the jungler can attempt to stop it on their clear.
László Kaszás
László Kaszás 5 aylar önce
This has the vibe as "red deck wins" in Magic the Gathering. Every moment you don't go for the enemy nexus is a wasted minute.
Ꮪ Ꮋ Ꭺ Ꮤ N
Ꮪ Ꮋ Ꭺ Ꮤ N 5 aylar önce
I don't think lethality Sion Is unfair,but tank Sion? Definitely. Lethality Sion has to hit ult or q or use the passive effectively to get kills or ahead plus he's squishy compared to the tank one,meanwhile a Sunfire,Titanic Sion with a fully stacked passive can melt you by just standing there even with 18 deaths.
Kepler '
Kepler ' 5 aylar önce
I can't wait until one day riot sets up a tutorial for anything involving macro like wave management, that would be really cool tbh
Vlad_USSR
Vlad_USSR 5 aylar önce
I would say let Sion be. It makes thematic sense and it makes game wise. He is a zombie of a legendary warrior. He is also has a mechanic unique to him. Plus this allows top lane to be important, not only late game. Because many times too lane is over looked.
Stabby
Stabby 5 aylar önce
Hey vars, I'd love to see more videos on your thoughts on new builds and metas, like this one.
Zhouquan Peng
Zhouquan Peng 4 aylar önce
I'd like to have more of this in league. the same way we playing the league for too long.
lolosh99
lolosh99 5 aylar önce
It’s very similar to the Smite Janna Top phenomenon. Funneling your team and pressuring your enemies (in Janna’s case) by perma roaming and making the enemy jungler’s life hell.
HQ Huy
HQ Huy 5 aylar önce
Inting is bad. Most Sions who feed and run it down and smack their right click onto the turret should be banned. However I do find intentionally micro managing your movement and drawing attention to yourself, forcing a lose-lose situation like the baufs a really genius strategy. Sadly, League is not made up of challenger players and the average gold player will 6/10 run it down with this strat and ruin the experience for the rest 9 players
Alex Rivera
Alex Rivera 5 aylar önce
I feel like this is more an indictment on Hullbreaker than Sion or Sion's playstyle. I've dealt with Int Darius, Int Jax, Int Rek'Sai. Hullbreaker allows you to be 4 levels behind but still be allowed to win a lead.
I’m Helping!!!
I’m Helping!!! 5 aylar önce
That just bruiser in general, not hullbreaker allow them to but bc bruiser can do that, pretty sure jux can do the same thing by buying botrk and darius can do the same thing with gore into death dance.
zandrom ex
zandrom ex 5 aylar önce
One thought that has been pondering my head recently, and I was reminded of it by this video although it isn´t about this topic specifically, is what I would call the "0/10 conondrum". basically how far should your skills take you before the rpg elements of the game come into play. Should their be champions who have the potential to outplay everything no matter the game state, or should there reach a point where you´re so far behind that no matter how good you are it is completely impossible to win a fight? And are these "outplay" elemts fair considering not every champion has them? Don´t really have a defnite answer to any of this questions, so that´s why i´m just putting it out here.
Мартин Йосифов
I've seen Sions inting for no good reason, and I've seen Baus. The two might seem similar, but there is a huge gap between them.
Kelvin Monteiro
Kelvin Monteiro 5 aylar önce
sanguine blade was one of my favourite items to build on zed, cuz his attack speed is slow and i like to throw some AA in fights, and a came back 1 month ago and realised they had this wonderfull item removed
ButterflyFX
ButterflyFX 5 aylar önce
I'm of two minds. First, inting Sion puts both your own and the enemy team in a very difficult position where they must play around your wincon. To the point that it's not viable at all in low elo, even if you execute it perfectly. In that sense it is unhealthy because of how heavily the Sion player warps the game around him. However, my other thought is that inting Sion is good for the game because of how much it shows fighting or KDA do not matter as much as people think. I think it can be toned down, but I'd like to see it stay in the game.
pedro henrique
pedro henrique 5 aylar önce
The fact that Riot are only nerfing the damage to turrets when he dies already shows they don't want to kill the strat, just nerf it.
Mr Toxic76
Mr Toxic76 5 aylar önce
I have played sion since I’ve been playing the game I think you are 100% correct but the reason why I played them is because I would always see him win one Vs 2 and he’s really good at it if you can work around it and his kit he’s a very fun champ sad to see he’s getting a Nerf towards towers
Gorophorge
Gorophorge 5 aylar önce
No problems with a strategy on a strategy game that works for the most part, because there is nothing inherently too cheesey about it, you could honestly view it as a way to come back from not playing inting Sion, but losing your lane, you could then employ this strategy to save face a little. Plus whether something is "toxic" or not, if low ELO player see work, low monkey attempt do, period, that's why they are in low ELO and you can't change that.
Sandy Ins
Sandy Ins 5 aylar önce
For some reason, yasuo/yone, immediately after minor item nefs- get the buff back, and this does not bother anyone. There is a shaco who has NO clear strategy to outplay him against, and no amount of wards will really help here, given his abilities. This champion is able to annoy all lanes, but he is also not nerfed. But as soon as one noticeable to the whole world Sion appeared, they immediately try to lower it below the plinth by global nerfs. Mm, "love" the league
BlazingPrincess
BlazingPrincess 5 aylar önce
2:02 *True* You don't miss out on anything from not playing except toxic matches and 20 mins of waiting for the game to end. Everyone's just waiting for *URF*
alberto villalba
alberto villalba 5 aylar önce
I've been playing LOL for a really long time and honestly i have never bothered much on balance, meta or other nuances that make this game "work". For a long time also, Sion is my favorite champ and the one I main, I usually play it as a fighter on top and i believe it can't work as a full tank. Even though i never looked or informed myself into how to play this champ better i automatically defaulted to splitpushing with it and bulding hullbreaker, firecape and build AD/HP enancing items. What i try to say with this is that I think that this champ apears to be better exploited ingame when being used on this way and that is just natural and instinctive to use it on such ways... Besides, there are also other disgusting champs that are quite similar to Sion on their tactics and splitpushing. I also never understood the whole lethality thing until I tried it (peer presure) and I have to say it is the most fun i've ever had playing this champ, lethality Sion is an efective tool to actually shutdown the most disgustingly broken other champs there are. As the video says, I do believe it's perhaps a little too broken, but the center of the issue here is not hullbreaker on my opinion, it's prowler claws active. Really good video anyway.
Elisa
Elisa 5 aylar önce
Love the inclusion of emotes as a visual in your videos!
Rolling SEvans
Rolling SEvans 5 aylar önce
I typically don't align with your views on the game but I think you make a lot of great callouts on this topic. The primary issue at hand is that playing with or against the pick tests a players knowledge of the game rather than testing their ability to mechanically pilot champions. Sadly riot is removing more and more of these types of decisions because players don't want to think about the game at that level, especially in lower elos. I personally disagree with nerfing this type of pick as it's success is predicated on skill expression, just like a riven animation canceling. If you suck at game knowledge, you will just int your game, if you understand proper values, you can "carry". Allow players to succeed through knowledge rather than only through mechanics!
RedHandClimbing
RedHandClimbing 5 aylar önce
I'm fine with an inting sion strategy but the problem is the item because in other matchups its almost a must buy otherwise your opponent can now 1v1 you to easy.
wazabi41
wazabi41 5 aylar önce
Without wanting to help those bad sions, take him to jungle. You can still get alright cs early, from mid game start playing him normally and invade whenever you can. You don't have the best ganks, but when you get a good one, you always get a plate. Hullbreaker is also more optional.
marshall
marshall 4 aylar önce
Would love to see a video talking about Diversity and Off-Meta Builds. Do you think there is more diversity today and is there a healthy off-meta for players to explore, or is it all too streamline and dumbed-down like some people say?
Inadover
Inadover 5 aylar önce
My 2 cents. It’s literally just another way of playing it. If you play it right, you might win, if you play it wrong, you’re bound to lose. With regards to your team or the enemy team, it doesn’t make much of a difference compared to any other strategy. “Oh but the enemy sion is just destroying our towers and we can’t defend”. Could you defend if there was a Fiora that’s playing equally as good as the Sion that’s wrecking you? It’s probably going to be the same result. And for your teammates, would it make any difference if instead of playing a bad inting Sion you were just playing a bad aatrox? Most likely nope. In the end, it’s just another strategy, you can still play a “regular” Sion and that’s part of being good at him: knowing what strategy might work best and guess what, that’s how every single champion is played. If Riot thinks that being able to wreck towers while dead shouldn’t be that punishing for the enemy team, even as a Sion otp I can agree. Once you don’t care if you die or not (because you’re already dead), you can’t be punished in any way while you are able to punish the enemy team, so maybe this change forces people to think a bit more when they should die and when not to do it. Oh and forgot to mention, great vid Vars, as always :)
Aiden Kruse
Aiden Kruse 5 aylar önce
fiora argument is horrible considering fiora cant proc demolish after she is dead, and fiora doesnt get to rack up 4k hp while building enough ad to literally 2 shot towers with r and demolish. ur just a biased sion player. The strat is completely absurd.
O verdadeiro Felipão
O verdadeiro Felipão 5 aylar önce
Thing is, a sion breaks the turret and then dies, a fiora kills everyone and then breaks 2 turrets, if not 3 turrets and the inhibitor
Kaijvera
Kaijvera 5 aylar önce
One thing you do need to consirder is a bad sion is worse than a bad aatrox. A bad aatrox would die 2ish times, then realize, "Oh, I can't beat this champion without help. I should play passive now" and deaths should stall out. Inting Sion is different, you litterally die so you can damage turrets more. So you are giving gold away no matter what. And if they time it wrong, they give essentially free gold away. Getting someone really fed. Tho if its a bad yas or yone, then it doesn't matter. We all know they like dieing 10 times in 20 minutes
Storm Dragon
Storm Dragon 5 aylar önce
if it was a fiora instead of a sion, she might kill everyone who sent after her :)). also the he's split pushing and we cant do anything about it, like how about you force a 5 vs 4? or threaten and objective as a team.
Csaba Tábor
Csaba Tábor 5 aylar önce
It is a very difficult strategy to pull off, even for pro players. I think the hype will die soon, and only the determined ones will stay after the nerf, which makes it okay again. Although this one will help the situation, I strongly oppose the idea of nerfing it to the ground, as getting a high KDA (with op champs) and playing generally well is already a much more viable option.
SIRLOIN STEAK
SIRLOIN STEAK 5 aylar önce
i feel like sion is only a small part of the problem, mostly due to the best tank mythic in the game: Hullbreaker. without hull breaker sion doesn't do as much damage to towers unlike champs like yorick or trundle
Denimator
Denimator 5 aylar önce
I think Inting Sion is fine, but also that the way riot handled that is perfect. I think the nerfs will make Sion go back to a niche pick, and so not everyone is running it down on Sion. In a case like this, it's not the champion's actual strength that makes them popular, but the perceived strength.
IceFireRuby
IceFireRuby 5 aylar önce
I've made a build specifically for sion by going demonic embrace, hullbreaker, and titanic hydra on shyvana top. It's been the best way for me so far to beat him into the ground, by being as tanky as him, with mixed damage to boot
sirnick12
sirnick12 5 aylar önce
Shyvanna is generally surprisingly good vs Sion. Strong early to punish Sions weakness, % hp magic dmg, she has been known as a champ with one of the best waveclears since forever so you can match Sion, and even easily steal his krugs and lategame teamfihhting you are generally equal
Lessi Turo
Lessi Turo 5 aylar önce
I love watching Baus. Sadly, his reach increases and know more and more want to do this and order Sion on wish. There however ***** one side - mostly the ones with Sion... As for the part if it is healthy or toxic: If you have a very good macro play like Baus - you should be rewarded. But there is no way to patch, that this strategy is possible and only ppl with good macro are allowed to (try to) pull it off.
omgPterodactyl
omgPterodactyl 5 aylar önce
I think straight up inting sion, where you just die over and over again for turret damage to chip away at the enenmy structures is very toxic. But what baus is doing, where he dies to obtain a net gain in gold isn't toxic, but should be looked at.
wOkeKing
wOkeKing 5 aylar önce
@Long Bread Yeah when it was meta, it made me quit and uninstall several times. It was the antithesis of fun.
Long Bread
Long Bread 5 aylar önce
@wOkeKing proxy singed is the most aids thing i have ever experienced. Shits so annoying but theres nothing you can do about it most of the time.
wOkeKing
wOkeKing 5 aylar önce
Baus just uses the proxy singed tactics, which were awful to play against when they were meta on singed, except he does it on most champs he plays like cho
JJSmokez
JJSmokez 3 aylar önce
The ease with which you can have no good options against this strategy makes it toxic. Drafting is always important, but usually even if you draft badly there is at least some way you can try to win. But sion creates a binary either you can stop him or you can't situation. Should every other player in the game have to consider "what if someone does this strategy that single handedly warps the entire game?" It's bad design, and it's good that riot recognizes this.
Mizerchaben
Mizerchaben 5 aylar önce
the inting playstyle is not limited to one champion, you can pull it off on all champs with good waveclear, but on sion it's just the easiest to do
hope dh
hope dh 5 aylar önce
I love inting sion but believe it's the most selfish strat in the game. Its giving the enemy gold because you think "if i have enough gold I can carey". I think the strategy really stems from the solo queue mindset most players have. Sidenote, I hate the KDA obsession most players have so that plays into my love for it.
Yöh Bröh
Yöh Bröh 5 aylar önce
What do you think of the sion nerf? Personally I think it's too much combined with hullbreaker change his ult and demolish doesn't get the increased dmg.
Darijo Čakar
Darijo Čakar 5 aylar önce
as sion i main i can say this playstyle is good,but it has 2 sides of coin: You either know how to play it and get kills/turrets or some noobs use tank runes(when they shouldnt) and build only ad and int,without farming or killing
MR cheese
MR cheese 5 aylar önce
Well i love off meta strategies and i think janna top was cool would have been happy to see janna top vs inting sion. And i hate when players think this game should be played this and that way. Its a game strategies and rules should evolve as the time goes on
Lors Carbonferrite
Lors Carbonferrite 5 aylar önce
I main the most complainy role, and I'm personally fine with int sion being a thing. If he's on our team. even if we're at a numbers disadvantage in fights (which we're often not, since 1 or 2 people will often try and stop the split push), forcing the enemy team to choose if they want to lose a jungle objective or a few towers is fun, at least to me, and it does win games when done right. If he's on the enemy team, it's not too difficult to exploit the weaknesses in the playstyle, which at my elo, are omnipresent and barely covered for.
Pual Liek
Pual Liek 5 aylar önce
From what you said I would say toxic, nerfs I would suggest are ult no longer dmg turrets, demolish from 35%-30% an cd from 45 sec to 1 min (minion timing), bonus hp on W from 4 to 3 (15/9).
Seth Shoemaker
Seth Shoemaker 5 aylar önce
The most frustrating part about inting sion is that everyone thinks they can do it and it's just brainless deaths but then the 5/0 toplaner they created runs the game over and we lose anyway. A recent game I had our sion tried this, went 5/0 to a shen, who ulted to every skirmish and that plus our midlaner feeding resulted in us losing 28 minutes in.
Peshawa Mahmood
Peshawa Mahmood 5 aylar önce
You forgot one thing about this current meta. A lot of champs in top lane counter sion, anyone who can build divine counters sion. That is the reason that he is not seen as giga broken.
Patrick Rosenhagen
Patrick Rosenhagen 5 aylar önce
Sion is a cool champ and the strat is awesome I only wish people would try it out in norms before ruining "innocent" peoples ranked games
Brendan Geormer
Brendan Geormer 5 aylar önce
I remember back in S5/6 when pros would take Sion (specifically lumberjack) and just go to red buff level 1 and die to it before killing it with death form.
Matéo Petit
Matéo Petit 5 aylar önce
sion allows you to actually learn a part of the game called "macro", i think sion is equal to tryndamere, if you learn how to counter those 2 champions, it's not a problem anymore.
Weaselbun
Weaselbun 5 aylar önce
The easier solution is to push Hullbreaker to be a good 3rd item as they did for IE time back
Melmel Hodgepodge
Melmel Hodgepodge 5 aylar önce
Something you kinda forgot about is that most inting Sions don't ever get a gold bounty from kills. Also Riot are cowards for nerfing Sion's tower damage. Because he's SUCH a problem/s not like the perfectly balanced Yone, and the continuous buffs...
Smokers fun
Smokers fun 5 aylar önce
Make the early Passive shorter so he can't farm the wave since lvl 1 and make it scale. This would make early deaths more punisihing.
amitaish
amitaish 5 aylar önce
I just really hope that the people who watch baus will start to take notes from his Amazing macro game, and not only the "haha dying is good". I love baus and his videos, and I am trying myself to learn as much as I can on the general game desicions he make, but sometimes it feels like all of the sions I olay with don't
Serafin Zamudio Leal
Serafin Zamudio Leal 5 aylar önce
The thing I hate the most of inting sion is that my team can't recognize that the sion is inting on purpose And then later in the game, someone has to deal with that shit so he doesn't demolish the base Which wouldn't be a problem if I wasn't the adc, and I just can't get remotely close into a sion with prowlers Guess it's my fault for playing adc in the first place
Steven Aniñon
Steven Aniñon 5 aylar önce
This is why i love sion. Even though i stopped playing. Sion and I share the same goals 🤣
Osteopatriarch
Osteopatriarch 5 aylar önce
You know there's a problem when the people who main splitpush champions want Hullbreaker removed
Đăng Hải Nguyễn
Đăng Hải Nguyễn 5 aylar önce
Hullbreaker is Vallina compare to the purple bug boy. I will trade it for the bug boy anytime in day
Sebastian LaPlume
Sebastian LaPlume 5 aylar önce
Hullbreaker is fine, a little overtuned, but it needs to be to get purchased.
Rui Mak
Rui Mak 5 aylar önce
It's good for the game. It's a different play style that if you don't execute properly, just ends up with a super fed top/ Jung in the enemy team. Need macro, wave manipulation, decision making. And it's easy to outplay Sion's passive outside of team fights.
El Pizas
El Pizas 5 aylar önce
I like the strat but I prefer teamfighting tbh, its a lot more fun
Light DRGN20
Light DRGN20 5 aylar önce
What I don't like is that it forces you to have someone deal with him constantly. And because of his inate scaling and hullbreaker, dealing with him 1v1 is super difficult even if you are ahead.
XKey_Blade
XKey_Blade 5 aylar önce
I play Riven since Season 4 and now since Season 10 I play Sion also he is so fun I felt so refreshing for me to carry with tactical dead. I think it should exist when inting Sion can’t exist . Then also support and ADC Champs should not exist in Mid and Top lane and should get nerfed. That’s my opinion on it.That is what’s make League fun many diffrent playstyles to winning. I remember on one with smite singed supp was also a genius and got not well reseved in the community👀😅.
Çağrı Gündüz
Çağrı Gündüz 5 aylar önce
I think the main problem is tanks in general. They deal as much damage as damage champions while being unkillable themselves. This goes for all of them rn (ornn, poppy ,sion etc.)
theduelist92
theduelist92 5 aylar önce
As a toplaner myself i respect Inting Sion around 80% and loathe it around 20% No, i do not play Sion Yes, it's not easy to play, but a lot of toxic mechanics are involved in the strategy that makes it often extremely hard to punish without really much though going into it. I'll be honest, im around P2-P3 toplane player on EUW, and it doesn't take a genius to get 9+ cs per minute on Sion, since even if you die you still get CS. It doesn't take a genius to choose a sidelane where you think there's no action in the near future, ult from fog, crash into a tower and kill it. Yes, the strategy is hard to pull off perfectly, but a lot of the times you can do a bunch of mistakes and it will still work. Sion's R damage to towers is just way too much, Sion gets too many base stats (so, between autos and Demolish, AD or tank you still do way way too much damage to structures), Q W E have way too much instant waveclear, R is too effective of an escape tool, but the most outrageous thing is the passive. Usually in league if you kill a champion you deny him resources, denying the enemy top 1-2 waves worth of gold and especially EXP is way more important than getting 300 G. But, assuming you actually KILL the Sion (because remember, he can recall TP pre6, Recall R to lane post 6 and then recall TP into Recall R back to lane again and again if you dont kill him) not only he will get all the farm while dead, but he's so strong in his passive (combined to the fact that he's dead, so he can full banana with no consequences) that he often zones you off the wave when you kill him. You killed the enemy champion and YOU get pushed in, you are forced to stay to clear this wave and the next and hopefully you can clear it fast enough to actually base. And to pour salt on the wounds Sions' death timer starts when he dies, so his death timer is ticking down during his passive. And he gets a lot of lifesteal in his passive, so if he's allowed to hit something (and he's allowed, if you get close he'll run you down) he lifesteals and gets to be around in zombie mode for even longer. And God forbit he's AD Sion with Phase Rush and Prowler, or you have to run a full screen away from his corpse to not get oneshot. Talk about getting the ultimate prio WHILE YOU ARE DEAD. Sion players very likely play with less grayscreen than most players even tho they go 10+ death most games, how is that fair? What do i have to do to win the lane, Riot?!? As a Camille player i found myself often killing the Sion only to have to run from the corpse, getting the wave pushed in, being forced to stay to push the next 2 (since Camille has ass for waveclear) and look, the Sion's back, he deletes the wave in 2 seconds while im recalling, and i'll find myself one level and three plates behind despite being 4 0. Such a meme xD
PEEKatCHU
PEEKatCHU 5 aylar önce
At least this takes "skill" in being able to execute properly, Sion can't just randomly int and get a1k gold lead. Instead of just pressing heal/shield every other second while staying at the backline.
Matsab
Matsab 5 aylar önce
4:30 - all that 'amazing' bonus health and his 'infinite' scaling, and a lucian killed him in less than 5 seconds. Sure, he killed the lucian but only because the lucian played it absolutely terribly. Point is, this champ doesn't scale well. Take a look at his lategame winrate stats - they keep falling the longer the game lasts. Sion wants to end shortly after his level 16 powerspike, because if the game goes on too much longer basically every toplaner will outscale him if they buy divine sunderer. You're seriously overhyping how strong this champion is, played by one of the best sion players in the world (Baus) he's still just outclassed by champions which are just better. Without this unique playstyle sion is garbage; with it he is playable.
zilean time keeper
zilean time keeper 5 aylar önce
I miss when sion was ap i wish riot would buff the ap on his e and w as i went to practes mode to see the max amount of ap you can have and having around 800 to 900 or so the w does like 800 shield but dues 500 damage
Snozer69
Snozer69 5 aylar önce
When I do this strategy I’m in the right but when someone else on my team does this they’re intentionally feeding and throwing the game
hang liu
hang liu 5 aylar önce
i know it might not be healthy and maybe even toxic but these off meta weired builds and picks is what changes up the game and makes it moreentertaining good or bad. for the team it might be really toxic but it was so fun.
Noah Leach
Noah Leach 5 aylar önce
It’s a different way to play the game, surely diversity can lead to more quality in your games, all I can say is sion is at least interesting to play against rather than fiora for example.
Jan Jr Kostrhun
Jan Jr Kostrhun 5 aylar önce
As a Sion player I am so happy to see those nerfs. There are 2 reasons: 1. Just because everyone feels like running it down with hullbreaker over and over, Sion is getting pretty high ban rate 2. Usually, what unexperienced Sion players do is dying in bad situations, with the only intent to hit the tower for platings, and this nerf will punish these players. In a conclusion, I believe Sion pick rate will decrease drastically, but his winrate will go up.
victor alejandro trimmer estrada
sion passive will do reduced damage against structures, which sounds like an interesnt nerf
Classick
Classick 5 aylar önce
The first time I played sion was because of sion god tilterella, running it down and winning season 7😀
blueqion
blueqion 5 aylar önce
Well it seems like the coreans complained enough since Sion AND Hullbreaker are both getting nerfed next patch. I can't answer the question if it is healthy but I think it is a good thing that leauge is not as 1 dimensional as shooters and death's are not only bad things honestly you can do good death on every champ as long as you get enough out of it. The thing I like about this strategie is that it speaks more to the primal nature of the game your objective is not to kill the enemy but to make there Nexus explode and to do that you have to get theire turrets first not kill theire champions and I think it is cool to have a champ in the game that tries to play the game that way. I also just like leauge because of it's diverse play styles there are'nt to many games were you can play wizards guys with guns and big tanky warriors in that are as balanced as leauge. Now I had people in my game in the past too that did this and I was both getting carried by them just taking the Nexus at some point and pissed by them just dying without archiving anything but I think every stratgie that makes the game less 1 dimensional without beeing totaly broken is good.
Jan Gadze
Jan Gadze 5 aylar önce
8 think its good for the game. Its a unique playstyle mostly viable on a single champ. Let sion be sion. I have bigger issues with champs who do what 15 other champs.do in a single kit
Vulpi PONGLISH
Vulpi PONGLISH 5 aylar önce
I think Inting Sion is good for the game, BUT it needs more counterplay options then we have now, late game split pushing sion shouldn't be lose lose situation, like you lose baron, or nexus, so if you lose baron, you propably lose nexus just 3 minutes later. With other splitpushers like Tryndamere you still need items, gold, and if you would die a lot you wouldn't be that strong to just bruteforce everything, but sion with 0/10 can do even better with AD build to one shote towers with Ult demolish combo and then dying to just take the rest, reset and do it again till nexus falls. Damage to turrets i think is a good nerf, but too much, they will need to buff him elsewhere. Smart INT should be rewarded, but not bruteforcing objectives, because it feels like that now, specially in late game.
PassivesAbseits
PassivesAbseits 5 aylar önce
In all honesty: I hope, that the Hullbreaker rush into uninteractive gameplay comes to proplay and ruins the MSI... because then Riot will do something about it, just like they did with Jungle Funnel or roaming smite top. Here is my problem: I once had a 1-5 Mundo become an unstoppable split push force, even for my 5-1 ADC, once he finished that item... I actually stopped playing ranked, as I realized, that the team, that builds Hullbreaker, just wins and me playing well as a Support and getting my ADC ahead had no impact on winning... at least in my Gold Elo. If all you can do is pray, that your Toplaner realized this, the item is bad... And I have no problem with split push as an optional win condition. With someone realizing: This is the best thing, I can do right now... I have a problem, when someone decides to 100% commit to this strat with his first buy. Now it has been a couple of patches since, so maybe it got fixed...
Christian Acquasanta
Christian Acquasanta 5 aylar önce
I play Sion in 5v5 full team games when Mid is not available Worked wonders in 5v5, and *very very poorly* in solo duo. Solo/duo players tend to have a god complex and not give a flying F about pushing objectives to close the game. I'd say inting Sion also requires your *team* to understand how to play the game, why is why many bad players complain about it
DLH
DLH 5 aylar önce
I knew from the beginning how completely busted hullbreaker was and nobody believed me. I've been abusing it on nasus ever since it came out and people complained about the fact that i wasn't building tank items. All it takes is one high profile example of someone succeeding and everyone's opinions on it change. I've been saying this for awhile, especially since the tp nerf, towers win games now. As a top laner, for the most part you get kited and killed before you can make a difference in team fights. Why not split while drag is up and get to inhib while its a 4v5. It's the easiest way to gain pressure or take pressure off of the rest of your team. I honestly see this as a rebellion by top players for all the shit we have to put up with. The tp nerf, the increased mobility and 200 years champs, the kiting, no map agency. It's all been leading to this.
200 years
200 years 5 aylar önce
I'm fine with this strat, people clammer about how the meta is stale and it's the same broken 200 years champions etc. So for me this is not as bad compared to funnelling.
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