I love how Linus made sure to protect his $220k investment in the company and showed the laptop repair/replace process in the best light possible, by... Not reading the instruction manuals and fumbling through the entire thing without even using a parts tray, thus making the entire process look a lot more painful than it actually probably is? 😂😂😂
@Thiccboi Chungo I think this is to show that even if you're clumsy (like me) or don't want to read the instructions you can still assemble one of the laptops. Compared to say, Apple with their lack of upgradability/rediculous repair processes and parts supply. Plus, Linus' appeal as a youtuber is that hes quite clumsy and goofy- wouldn't be as entertaining if he just assembled it imo haha
He went on about how it has QR codes everywhere for instructions and makes everything very clear in the original video and then proceeded to completely ignore all of that helpful stuff
Wait, you can use the beast with the Framework laptop? Why was that quickly glazed over, that is a very important point on getting one of these! This PC doesn't have a GPU available on the Framework website. Being able to add a feature to an already incredible laptop needs to be explored further!
@GuiGuiTo for now,i think because igpu have become a better grapic card than before (example intel have iris, amd have zen 2 and zen 3). Other benefits: long battery time, weightless, more easy to build.
This laptop literally can't fit a graphics card. It has Thunderbolt, which means it can use external cards. This has been a standard feature on laptops for years, it's just not advertised much.
As soon as I find out that Framework laptop plays nice with MX Linux, I will have one. Sure wish I could think of someone who would actually try MX Linux OS on a Framework laptop and let me know. I been a distro hopper for a decade until I found MX Linux and have never look at another ever again. Good video, thanks.
Why not order the laptop without a hard drive, grab an inexpensive M.2 disk, install that a then install your OS? If that fails then sell the laptop along with the M.2 drive and recoup the investment.
Bruh, you bein' paid to shill for mx or something? It's just a debian-based distro, not some weird exotic creature. The framework will work with it just the same as any other distro, possibly plus some configuring based on which features you care about and what default stuff the distro comes with.
19:18 Not to mention, if you didn’t have a use for your old one, you could sell your old main board to someone who needs a repair but not an upgrade, recouping some of your upgrade costs, saving that person more money and reducing waste.
if Framework don't already have a marketplace like this, they should definitely make one. Having a first party aftermarket would be a huge selling point
Framework could even implement a future discount if you sold your old boards or components back to them, and they could sell those at a discount for more ease of access and less waste. People wouldn't have to mess with ebay or craigslist, it would be great for a more rural market where you maybe couldn't unload your older parts easily.
Yeah I mean let's be honest, all of us have worked in some company or something before. We all know the customer isn't always right. Sometimes the customer is just a fucking asshole and an imbecile who doesn't deserve a dime from the company. Just because corpos are often wrong, doesn't somehow make someone right to sue them for something incredibly stupid that's the customer's own fault.
my macbook is a mid 2015 macbook pro. i cant remember what crapped out, but apple said since the laptop is no longer covered, it would cost $750 to replace it.
@Zoetje I love RPis they're great for tinkering but you can't use em for routers and you can't really use em for anything else, just the one project. What I'm talking about is using a framework mainboard as a quiet affordable mini PC with 3-4 things running on it that need more computational power or require x86(like routers). Most Mini PCs are either very expensive or lacking IO or very underpowered. This is a nice middle ground from a sustainable company. If you have something that'll run on a RPi and you can get your hands on one definitely go with that even if you end up using 3 or 4 it'll still be cheaper than doing this, if you have space use on old pc but for me neither is true
@Markos Verdhi even if you don't have it lying around, the 11th gen boards are discounted, if you want something small, power efficient, and quiet it's hard to beat. I manage the IT for my whole family and i'd love nothing more than a server rack in every home but its just not practical. If you want to take advantage of the extra cpu power, use VMs turn it into a PFSense or OPNsense router and a nas all in one, you could add an ARC a320 in a thunderbolt dock and turn it into a media server. Maybe add another mainboard to use for your firewall. You could also host game servers using. You can build a pretty amazing home server setup with these things over time and they don't have to be loud bulky or draw a lot of power (the last is definitely a big deal to us europeans)
@zerocal76 but you already have it lying around. If I had a framework laptop and a PC that I use, and I upgraded my motherboard, there is no point in using it as yet another desktop. I'd rather make it something like a server or give it to someone who needs one
Framework is kinda hard to recommend when they ONLY offer Intel CPUs. Who wants worse battery life, worse perf per $ and worse product support from a company who only just decided being Anti-Consumer wasn’t a great business move. The cognitive dissonance in the PC market is astounding at times.
@André Daniel da SIlva Leite right you do have a point there, although if you could change more in the laptop like having this specific chassis and this resolution screen with this refresh rate that would maybe work out
@Geckedes but he means removed in advance. Right now you can select parts you want but you have to either buy individual parts, select bundles, or an entire computer. They want a assembled computer minus a few parts. It’s more economical than buying individual and more ecological and economical than removing parts. However it is difficult for the company. Adds a lot of logistics both on the software end for making a website that can do that and for assembly lines. Also it would be hard to put a price on a partially made laptop. People would expect it to be cheaper than a full laptop and cheaper than buying individual parts which makes pricing complex. Plus you have to factor in assembly cost.
Yup, its an idea everyone has for their older device but either doesn't go through with a proper build or does a jank setup with motherboard exposed to the elements
This video tripled my confidence in Framework. I love that Linus takes such a pragmatic, level-headed approach to reviewing their products honestly -- it honestly makes me *more* likely to buy them because I feel like there's zero chance of getting something I wasn't expecting. With framework, I know what I'm buying and I know the company's values are aligned with mine. Awesome company and awesome video. I hope framework sees many years of success to come.
I was so in love with the concept, that in spite of not really needing a laptop at the time, I rushed out and got one... as for not getting what I expected? Well, touch pad was junk, they replaced it, but new one was junk too, (I'm a software architect of 35+ years in the industry, so I've used a LOT of touch pads (50+), never one this bad), other issues made me put it aside and not use it for a year, I go to use it and it is bricked now and won't charge.. Or power on (is that because of the idiot thing they mentioned in the video won't boot without a battery? and if the battery is bricked.. so goes the laptop? Nice.. F- for a grade for that one) Hard to express my level of disappointment in the product I got.. I've since gone out and bought both a Mac Studio (for $6,800), and a Macbook Pro M1, and love both of them... Yeah, NOT a Mac Fan, but these products really DO blow me away... Fully loaded, at 100% CPU my Studio is running 'hot' at 56C, but it takes a LOT of work to get it that hot, that is running it fully loaded with 8 VMs 24/7 with each one using 100% of their CPU.. 35C is what my laptop runs.. (not 80-90C like the Intel stuff.. Oh, and brother worked for Intel for years.. So, I have always bought Intel and I do all my work on Windows..) I can't service the M1 laptops.. but Can't service a lot of things.. Ever try to service a modern watch? or 100's of other things? I LOVE the idea, and would like to see this company produce something that can be useable, but it will be YEARS before I trust that I get something good. (Btw: Macbook: Solid build, Framework: Floppy toy in comparison)
@James Clarke That is just not true. The difference between a full size Ethernet port and a USB port is less than a quarter inch (5.4 mm .213 inches). Size isn't an issue, since they reduce the size of the Ethernet port by making it hinged, so it can go on thin laptops, which I have in my possession on my laptop. It takes up less space than a full size Ethernet connector. It's a bit of a pain to use, but it is there on thin laptops.
@James Clarke I have 8 laptops in this room, and only 2 of them don't have either net ports. It's more the cost of the laptop than the size. You're more likely to not have an either net port at the price range below $400, which is not the bulk of the laptops out there by any stretch of the imagination. In the Framework price range almost all laptops by other makers have either net ports, it's in the 90% or higher range.
Just last week I convinced my boss to let me pitch Framework laptops to a client and they signed off! Can't wait to show my boss this new update on your interactions with being an investor and end user of Framework products to further instill some confidence in the brand and ultimately the environmental benefits they strive for. So excited to start ordering some of these bad boys!
@MtnNerd honestly never considered how great the repairability of framework would be for businesses in this way. so many refuse to upgrade old hardware for far too long, meaning frustrated employees and less efficient work. if they pay for just the components that are getting out of date they keep their productivity with minimal cost 🤔
I hope you have better luck that I did with mine, if they work as poorly as mine, you could seriously damage our client relationship.. (mine is bricked right now, I expect I have to go buy a new battery, although it seemed OK last week), total time on laptop: about 5 hours over the last year or so...
Please can you make a workstation laptop for enterprise,it should be 15 inches like a mac pro, run linux or unix,have a case you can design yourself if thats your thing? most people will end up with a mac pro design but better...
Make a big screen 16 or 17", so it is actually usable... putting super high resolution on a tiny screen only works well with OSX, Windows doesn't handle 'large fonts' well, so many apps screw up when you do that. (as a Software Architect, I've had to deal with it in our apps in Windows as well as apps we use)... I regret buying the puny sized screen that this thing has... Should have waited
We all love Linus’s style of doing stuff on his own but a part of these videos really should be analyzing the documentation that these companies provide for these repairs and mods that you do. Bad documentation vs good documentation can make a really big difference between a friendly user experience and a frustrating user experience. Hope you guys consider this for future videos
@Zelda Amis That would be a really cool idea for a second channel. "LTT Detailed" Have a few of their higher level engineers doing in-depth explanations of all the "winging it" videos that Linus has on their main channel.
@Eric Wu Modular design is always more expensive, which is going to keep it in the area of a play thing, an expensive toy, like a Corvette or Mustang. Look at Linus in the video, who looks like my father playing with his Corvette, his a toy. You can go around and around on this not being a toy, but they have other serious problems as well, when they can't even make hinges like the laptops that came out of 2004. I am not going to argue any further on this because it is a waste of my time, and go do something more productive. It's still a toy, and they need to bring this out of a gimmick laptop only a few would want to play with.
@Leslie Savage The demand supply curve is static for a certain kind of product. It's the pricing that captures the demand. The price shifting too high on the curve doesn't make a product categorically different. Cheaper modularity result in even more tech hobbyists buying the laptop, and hence more people buying it as a toy. And of course, it would also result in regular users buying it.
@Leslie Savage A lack of market demand doesn't mean "toy." It's a strange word that makes a simple issue more complex: this laptop won't have enough buyers, and it won't have enough buyers because of its high price tags (expensive -> not enough buyers). People don't buy it not because it's modular but because it's too expensive. This doesn't have anything to do with it being "toy" or catering to tech hobbyists.
@Eric Wu The only people who are going to take this laptop seriously are people who will play with it, which makes it a toy. I've fixed and sold computers, including laptops, and people bring in computers to get the p--- off it after they went where they shouldn't of, which is how un-savy your general public is. Case in point, Linus is excited about this, and he is a tech nerd that plays with technology. Most people who use laptop don't. Even some gamers bring in their machines to have them upgraded and repaired. I had one rig come in that cost more than all the computers in my shop combined, and we fixed it for a gamer. This Framework would like to be something, but it is for the person who plays with his computer, not talking about a gamer. Also you said, "There's no reason that the chasis can't be bigger to accomodate different motherboards." There goes their business model with a bigger laptop to except bigger boards. It's a toy for computer nerds to play with, when a computer should be a means to an end, and not the end in and of itself.
@Leslie Savage The premium with swappable parts is steep, similar as all the Alienware laptops with modular GPUs. I wouldn't say it's "overpriced" because it is the cost of that feature, which incurs costs like opening additional factory lines for the modular parts and maintaining respective inventories. It's not really a "toy" either because it's duly executed in its own design. It might be an unsuccessful product, but I don't see how it's a toy. The chasis is small because that particular product was not made for gaming. There's no reason that the chasis can't be bigger to accomodate different motherboards.
honestly linus personally investing in framework is one of my favorite moves he's made because nothing makes me trust and enjoy this channel more than seeing that the guy i'm coming here for directly supports and is willing to throw his wallet behind the technological future that I want to see.
The fact that they've engaged with Louis Rossman in good faith discussions about schematics is a very good sign to me. There are only a handful of companies that are this open with system 76 being the only other that comes to mind.
Really love what Framework is doing here! Its such an important step towards a world where anti-consumer practices are hopefully less common assuming Framework can make it big.
@John If you really need to upgrade every 3 years or so with a laptop you should definitely think twice about your computing needs. Crying about a 12th gen out scoring a 9th gen Intel on Cinebench or newer models having thunderbolt support aren't really a valid reasons to upgrade.
@Jay - And businesses will not spend time upgrading thousands of motherboards one by one. Unless Framework offers laptop swap/upgrade/repair functionality, businesses will see no point in these.
@John I have a MSI "gaming" pc with a broken keyboard that I'm unable to fix because it needs special tools to repair, and now I'm stuck with a bluetooth keyboard. I would happily buy a framework laptop just for the repairability alone.
@John the gamer i mean they need to be made out of some kind of semiconductor, just by the very nature of what they do. There's only so many semiconductor elements and all pretty rare, none as effective as silicon. The process nodes and architecture can change but i dont see silicon going away any time soon
Like Linus says: as a Linux user an AMD option would make this one of the best Linux laptops, so I hope the option will be there once my current laptop breaks/gets too old
@pandemicNEETbux lol DW, I started as a web dev, now niche programmer mastering weird languages, never used Linux once in my life. From my understanding Linux is a net code/server based OS. Understanding windows is just as important as language learning.
@Zephyrius Can concur. Do it on old hardware or a server first, so you can ease into it. For example, I still run Windows on my main machine and will likely continue to do so until it's EOL, but I run Linux on my old laptop.
@pandemicNEETbux That depends on the games you want to play. It's a hit or miss atm, but many games are well supported. Just try it out in a VM or on some old hardware you might have laying around. The switch from Windows has been a life changer for me. Linux can be nearly anything you want making it super efficient if you take the time customizing it to your needs. It has never been easier to install and use Linux. Just go for it. You have nothing to lose and at the minimum, there is some knowledge to gain.
As a homelabber, that framework motherboard would make an amazing mini-server or NUC replacement... so you'd probably get cash selling it on eBay as well. I'd buy one.
The IBM Thinkpad is an awesome buy (I got one off Craigslist for $150, it seems brand new), I thought it might be stolen but it was a man selling a whole lot of them out of his convenience store, I think they were laptops that were leased by companies. I just cannot believe some people are spending $1500 or more on laptops (Apple laptops or Windows Gaming Laptops), I would have to be a professional gamer making thousands a year to consider spending that kind of money on a laptop. With the IBM Thinkpad I can run all the programs I need just find (including business related work programs).
some people want actually fast hardware. just because you only use it for web browsing doesn’t mean that’s the only use case. A $150 thinkpad wont run ANY modern game
thinkpads are great but when you want to do things like 3d modeling they just dont hold up. most people will be fine with those but sometimes you just beed something better.
1500 on a laptop isn't a ton when you plan to use it for the next 3-4 years, need the performance for hobbies or work, and plan on relying on the factory warranty and customer support. Old thinkpads are great devices, but aren't perfect for everybody. Also be sure to throw some more ram and an ssd in that puppy, should keep it running well for years.
@Leslie Savage That is how my uncle went bankrupt. Contracted out casings for hydraulics. He got supplied with porous castings. 90% failure rate after 6 months. The casting supplier bought him out. 10 cents per dollar of worth. Mostly just for the patent rights possession.
@Bishal Bhandari If it is in the warranty period you may get lucky. You may get a exchange replacement with the production changes. Kinda like looking for Ford parts with 9 year vehicle. Not in stock. Only portables have a much shorter production span. In both instances the idea is. If you want that part it comes wrapped up the rest. For an auto a $35,000 plus part and a new license plate. Same marketing think for laps.
I've been trying to be better about e-waste (and $-waste) so I'm planning ride my current laptop as long as I can, but whenever it does finally die I'm absolutely going for one of these. This kind of modularity and real hardware ownership of a laptop is something the world has needed for so long.
having access to schematic and 1st party replacement parts is awesome. As a a marketing and growth strategy, I believe offering easy upgrades of motherboards will flood the used market with "older" but still extremely worthy hardware that will let newcomers join the framework boat at a lower price point. I think it would be optimal if they offered this "in-house" with the option for trade-ins when upgrading and the possibility of buying laptops with used hardware on their own website (even if delivered in a to-be-assembled format and no warranty whatsoever)
Linus. As an investor, could you recommend that they “buy back” old parts? This would be more ecological than users destroying / throwing away their old parts. This would also help with the economical costs.
@BenediktI don’t think they should have to buy them back. Computer parts lose value over time and they would never be able to sell them all. It wouldn’t be profitable and would put a huge strain on them. Not to mention it is less ecological to ship parts to them opposed to buying directly. What they could do that would take minimal cost would be to setup a peer to peer platform like eBay or Facebook marketplace for selling used parts that would be easy to find parts on and without the ridiculous costs of eBay fees. However those sites take a lot of investment to setup and get bug free which is also a huge burden on a small company. They already have online forums so I think the most reasonable thing to do would be to add a dedicated part to their forum and let them community help make it.
@HowThereYou framework literally says part of their mission statement is to be environmentally friendly and to cut back on E-waste. This would literally be in line with their mission statement. They could test and re-sell the working ones or even only apply the discount after they test the returned parts (kind of like when you turn in phones).
too much logistics work for a part you dont even know works, its very hard to keep tabs and have an entire branch dedicated to sorting and refurbishing them, so direct user to user selling would be better
@Benedikt well, having an official outlet to sell the parts back would allow Framework to easier sell refurbished equipment. It would also be useful for a lot of customers who don't like dealing with used items.
Very very cool to see the old mobo literally turn into a mini PC. That is such a cool use that is endorsed by the company. Honestly if this were more matured I would have been able to convince my org to replace our fleet of machines with these. Being able to swap components is awesome and old hardware could get recycled. It's so great
As someone that runs a small homelab, I LOVE the reusable motherboard into mini pc theme. I know you can do that already with any laptop but the motherboards are generally weird shapes etc. That makes it an accessible gateway into hobbyist homelab projects which is cool.
With miniaturized components and a recycling mindset, I'd love a crossover with DIY perks even though he's across the ocean. Would be glorious if it could happen, I mean the guy made a PS5 slim and the best invisible PC/integrated desk PC I've ever seen.
Glad to hear that framework is building a stable foundation by continuing to support, troubleshoot and upgrade their first laptop. Hope their partnership with AMD soon:tm: is going to get their foot in the door for gpu access since Intel is dragging their feet with alchemist
As a suggestion: Providing that case schematic makes the motherboard itself a competitor to devboards like the rasp pi and jetson nano - definitely market that more!
This design is awesome, I’d love to see modularity come to the camera/microphone and Wi-Fi/Bluetooth chipsets for users/companies that want to disable these features for security vulnerabilities.
This is a really nice concept. Love it. Especially that you are still able to use the older motherboard as a secondary mini Desktop. And the 3D printing aspect gives users the power to design their own case, if they want. So they even can level up the new life cycle of older hardware with their design wishes.
@S Ya I don't mean to imply the intel one would be good. Linus mentioned amd in the future would be nice and I agree. I can emulate ps3 and switch on my 5825u laptop so they are great. That isn't even rdna2, but vega still!
The iGPU on the Intel CPU on that motherboard is pretty poor. Struggles with anything much more than hearthstone, and there's no way to swap it out or add an AMD APU like the Steam Deck has, so you'd have to find a compact dedicated GPU that's actually worth the space and power draw.
@AusSkiller this makes sense. Maybe the ideal scenario is to make a plataform that you can chose to buy as a phone or a console, like same motherbord, screen, battery, etc. whith compatible hi quality aluminium cases. Then you can reporpose as you wish... But anyways. Great hope for the future of Framework.
@AusSkiller I don't think so. I'm currently playing ps2 on my phone, and this is on a galaxy s10. Flagship socs are crazy powerful these days. Far more powerful than anyone needs for a phone. But a steam deck however...
@Why Not low key you should do build logs on that if you don’t already. Can guarantee you that’d generate views out the ass and gives you a platform to kickstarter it once you have an acceptable prototype I know I know “don’t turn hobbies into business” but this is just one of those no brainer ideas
This is revolutionary given how much anti-repair sentiment is there among the manufacturers. Teething problems are expected of a start-up but it has immense possibilities of growth.
I love this concept so much that I want to buy a mainboard and epu setup simply to restore my full desktop. I don't need a new laptop anytime soon since I barely use one outside of work.
if I ever need a new laptop, this is pretty insane, I'm probably gonna go with framework! they have the potential to revolutionize the laptop industry and I am excited!
This will be the only laptop where you can start with an Intel CPU one gen, then decide to swap out for an AMD one after, potentially. Imagine how crazy that is!
@Kermit DA Phrogge I am not a profesional reviewer However I'd say im very happy with it. My PC is hooked to LG C1 OLED TV's but when I am on the road(truck driver) I used the framework lap top to watch netflix and I found the image quality to be really good. for the size the resolution seems fine. I have not used in super bright areas but id say that it would not do well as the brightness does not get as high as id like. The audio also does not get very loud. It also gets pretty hot if suffocate the bottom of it by laying it on your chest while in bed which was my use case. However I used it in dark areas primarily and liked using my headset for audio anyway. Those are the only issues I have with it. I have an older TUF gaming laptop that has better audio that was around the same price, though it has a GPU. But the screen is better on the laptop id say. The brightness thing might be me just being used to HDR content. Also the fact that in the future I will likely be able to upgrade the screen is a big plus.
@null void as long as cpu tdps stay the same as manufacturers go for power efficiency on mobile devices, thermals shouldn't be too different among different cpus. heatsinks have a max tdp rating and so as long as cpus stay under that it shouldn't overheat.
@null void well, technically speaking... going from intel 11th to a current gen AMD yea.... and its an ultra portable with no big emphasis on crazy graphics so pretty sure if just using integrated graphics potentially you will just get cooler laptops overall, with that 14 core one they put in??? hmmm
Ok, that idea diary that Linus kind of teased framework for giving him looks like an MD paper notebook made by Midori. It's a super high quality personal notebook, and I love that framework is supporting another amazing high quality brand. Even if that brand is just paper notebooks
Perhaps it's time to find an upgrade to the cable connections. This being a "modular" pc, you shouldn't have to run the risk of destroying the cables or connectors. Magnetic connectors? I don't think they've come far enough as of it, but it's something to consider for the future.
I'm all for this framework laptop. However for the average user once they replace a part (say what Linus did there to replace a motherboard) they wouldn't know what to do with it. Why not have an option on their website that says if u want to send the old part back to us and knock off some price of the new purchased board. They'd be able to repurpose the old part and sell it again no?
@Money Billa / DJ Murdaa yes they do, Auto Zone, O' Rieley's, and advanced auto parts. they have a refundable core charge if you bring your old part to them.
@Eric D. framework will sadly just help to throw even more e - waste into land fills companies should really have some kind of morals it getting stupid at this point
Watching Linus struggle more with his own confusion than any real problem with the process... makes me feel so much better about my own experiences with IT. I felt WAY too much joy along with him when the update screen popped up!
I really hope this company will make a two in one design with active pen support. I really depend on those kinds of laptops designs. I personally like the designs that have a single hinge that swivels so you don't even need to pick up the laptop to make it into a tablet or to show the screen to some else
It would be amazing if Framework could eventually figure out a good way of recycling old components. That way, when people eventually have parts that they don't want to use for anything, they could send them back and maybe Framework could reuse some of the materials.
I really want to see Alex make an aftermarket cooler for the mini pc to have higher boost clocks. Like what you did for the steam deck, have it hotrod style sticking out of the case. Or water cooled with an integrated water cooled eGPU.
I love the idea of a framework laptop. My only worry is that, when I upgrade my main board every few years, I’m also gonna want more memory, storage, better IO, and a better display. At that point I should just buy a whole new laptop, so why would I buy a framework?
If your use case doesn't change significantly, you probably won't need to do the upgrade in the first place. You still get the repairability in case anything breaks tho.
the important thing with this modular design and right to repair, you don't have to suffer through like Linus yourself and just get the local shop or friend to do this for you.
While I love the modular and easy serviceability design of Framework laptops, I keep having this sinking feeling they will end up like laptop GPU docks. Really great innovation, but they were just too late to the party.
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Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?” Luke 11:9-13 KJV “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” Hebrew 9:27-28 KJV “And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:35-40 KJV “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.” Matthew 10:28-31 KJV “Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 10:32-33 KJV “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Romans 10:9-13 KJV “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” John 3:5-6 KJV “Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.” Colossians 1:13-20 KJV “Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” 2 Philippians 2:4-11 KJV “Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly. Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.” Matthew 6:1-21 KJV “But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” John 20:24-31 KJV Call upon Jesus Christ
A humble suggestion. Truly Framework is unique and changes the laptop game to whole new level. As a well wisher I would suggest to give customers a very good reason to maintain the same laptop for years to come. Maybe like really built really really well so that people want to keep maintaining the same laptop or provide upgrades with different built materials rather than colors.
A comment I read in another video about the framework laptop feels very fitting for this video, "we're gonna need to train the anti-consumer habits of companies out of our system." In devices such as laptops, when we usually hear that a hinge is broken we either begrudgingly send it in to a repair shop (wherever that could be) for a long stretch of time or we just bite our tongue and live with the issue. However with this machine, you yourself can change out the components in record time without fumbling too hard on the replacement. It's absurd how much companies trained us to be complicit in their greedy practices and move us to just buy the new thing whenever your current thing will die. Not this time. This company would surely help regain a new bar for excellence in terms of support, service and excellence.
@Brandon Page Don't know how many times I can say it was never an issue.... I guess people doing it these days are just stupider.... I donno but also I'm done repeating myself here. I won't be reading more comments but feel free to type them anyway like I know you will....
@Alcoholic Nerd I get that basic common sense is you shtick here. But I feel like basic common sense would be also figuring out an efficient method to make your repair process easier and quicker.
framework is actually looking more and more shall we say better by the video and better by the customer, this is gonna be a huge win for consumers in the long run if this keeps up
Framework well done, please keep research and development going. The international public wants and needs "Lego block" upgradeability module solutions more than ever. To quote Linus, please get AMD into this program and give us gaming-grade graphics motherboard upgrades. Audiophile-grade module for audio people, high grade (photo/video editing /Gaming grade)screen panels. Maybe even a 3d printable housing for the old or spare screen panel to go in with that spare motherboard ( like an all in one pc monitor) or i/o module for monitor only or raspberry pi 4 kit setup for desktop or wall mount functions etc. I can see a lot of DIY/developers writing and creating more uses from your module system and more compatible OS options. Oh and one more thing "Please expand international supply."
For general public to be able to use it, it would have to use an idiot-proof cartridge system, and even then they'd rather just buy a new Mac because they "ain't got time for that."
I want them to add support for a 6800U just so I can make myself a true switch-like custom tablet/laptop config (Especially with USB4 support hopefully, so I can encorporate a eGPU as part of docked mode)
This really is what I EXPECTED from laptops when they first became consumer-grade. I LOVE the second PC using the old motherboard. So much. When I buy my next laptop, if they do a high end touch panel for drawing I'll buy one.
This type of stuff deserves absolutely all of the support in the world. With computers becoming more and more integrated this at least mitigates the ewaste problem that practically no other company is acknowledging because that would mean they'd have to change. Absolutely love this and I hope it inspires more companies to do the same.
@Matthew Kershner - The idea of laptops being basically one big custom motherboard precedes even Apple. There have been some attempts to make things modular (both laptops and phones) and they have never succeeded. I hope Framework does.
@sylvia m You would think so, but Apple pioneered the culture of "just throw it away and buy a new one" attitude and sadly it's worked incredibly well for them. And as such everyone copied it even tho its a terrible practice. Just like the newer samsung flagships lacking an SD card slot when they could have very easily had them. It's sad honestly.
I'll be honest, I'm not very happy with my Framework laptop as a product. I generally hate ultralight designs, as I think they trade far too much in terms of heat management and other things for a small gain in convenience. Also, I'm not happy with the scrunched keyboard and wonky screen. However, I am happy so far with the company, which genuinely seems to be doing all they can to improve their design, and their tech support has been helpful every time I've needed it. I hope they succeed, and grow, and expand their product lineup, and finally make the current big players at least a little accountable for their anti-consumer bullshit.
This modular repairable design idea is really up my alley. I really hope this becomes a more competitive market in the future for all types of electronics, not just laptops.
@AJ Hauter which is why a laptop manufacturer will have to do their own modifications to chips to do swappable CPUs. Even then, they'd still be at the mercy of CPU manufacturers when they change up pin layouts. I guess they could adjust the PCB layer per chip, to a degree, but even that will have limits.
@InfernosReaper It wouldn't be completely impossible to use desktop CPUs in a laptop, but there are problems with that. You're probably right about it being difficult to get them to use an LGA or PGA CPU in a laptop ever again.
@AJ Hauter at some point AMD & Intel decided to not do their laptop CPUs to where they could be in a socket and swappable. Most manufacturers just build within that limitation. Thus, unless you want to try to run desktop CPUs in a laptop, you're gonna have to do some kind of addon(s) to the CPU to make it work right in a socket... or design a special socket and heatsink setup to accommodate laptop CPUs. *Maybe* if enough orders are made AMD and/or Intel would comply, but that's a huge maybe.
@InfernosReaper They don't even need to do a seperate PCB and socket for the CPU. I have a Dell Latitude from 2011 which is completely user serviceable. The CPU is an i5-2540m on socket G2, and is incredibly easy to remove. It's definitely possible to design laptop CPUs to be user-removable (LGA/PGA instead if BGA). The GPU would still be difficult.
it is my hope they'll eventually work out swappable GPUs and a CPUs. Admittedly CPUs is easy, since that is "put middleman PCB on and put a socket on the board" while GPUs are a bit more difficult because that will require some kind of daughter board and a good data and power link
Honestly, I think I might make a desktop build using the board and getting an eGPU as my next build. That smaller footprint with potentially upgradable modules is actually really awesome, and that gives you so much more flexibility than being locked down to one motherboard and one set up for x amount of years.
15:52 Actually it's substantially LESS flexible when you still consider the option of selling your old laptop. Which... you can't just find a quick buyer for a used Framework MB with any reasonable timeframe. There are a TON of reasons why Framework laptops just don't quite work out. They're serviceable and open source which is great, but I feel like the benefits really end at the right-to-repair argument. The upgrades that you did in itself would have been half a Framework laptop in the trash if you didn't have a desire or need to repurpose the old components into a different PC. Most people probably wouldn't bother with that. Now, if there was some kind of recycling service where you could send your old Framework components FOR CREDIT INCENTIVE towards NEW modules and parts for your machine, that would be absolutely freaking amazing.
What a great video! I love how Linus always pretends to know what he's doing. He's like a little kid trying to figure out a new toy. I was able to see some of the most beautiful places on earth thanks to Mighty 😖 Travels 🤞🏽 Premium.
That mini-PC print-out thingy is actually the coolest thing I've ever seen for these kind of parts. Would be very easy to resell them later down the line as office PCs.
oh my oh my oh my i want this company to go to the moon so bad... actually i want this whole design concept to be mainstream. the idea that hardware is kept, and tweaked over time just makes it more emotionally valuable.
I would recommend to framework company to buy *replaced parts* (e.g. back panel) of the users laptop for half or quarter of the price so they can recycle it (much more environmental friendly).
Watching this made me realize how important on-board assembly diagnostics are for a user-serviceable device. Being able to quickly identify missing screws/components would go a long way towards ensuring that all users (regardless of their organizational skills) can complete repairs/replacements.
man, i really wish they gave amd options when i was shopping for a laptop. i’d love for them to cater more to the gaming/enthusiast crowd in the near future
I really hope they'll make a future version with a dedicated GPU that is gaming capable. Upgrading your GPU down the line is far more interesting to me than upgrading your CPU.
@Waralo1 Great so what connection standard is this 'socket board' going to be? How is the thing being cooled in a notebook? What happens when inevitably after 1-3 generations the graphics chip needs to change size to match a new architected and your 'socket chip' design is now defunct........ It's a horribly complex thing that your simplifying to idiot levels. It's been done plenty of times in the past...there is a reason why it's not done anymore....why it's not happening anytime soon...why no company is going to invest the massive amount of money needed to make it happen, only for all of it to go out the window after 1-3 generations.... Went so well with the Area 51... And because of the aforementioned problem's the old MXM standard never made it past 1-2 'upgrades' before the standards had to be updated and there was no 'update' that could be made anymore...
I think thats a tall order on a 13 inch thin and light. Your battery and thermals would be awful. An egpu solves both these problems. Then your laptop stays portablr for small on the go tasks but get full performance for big jobs when youre plugged in anyway. And framework has a battery disconnect mode
@walkin mn That's a good point. Maybe one day they'll have the power and money to create their own mobile GPUs based on nvidia or amd chips. That would be the dream to switch your laptop GPU, like you switch your desktop GPU.
freaking love it. Maybe with an external GPU it might actually be a viable option as an animator? Would have to look into it once I'm ready for a new laptop
framework will definitely be my next laptop. i would have got one this last go around, but i was in dire need of an upgrade and couldn't wait for framework to get the 12th gen boards.
Curious, based on this video, can we just buy the framework motherboard with the chip and just build a super slim desktop with it? Just curious about it. Had always tried to repurpose old laptops, but some company's has hardware compatibility issues that makes upgrading a nightmare.
I can't even count the amount of times that I've handled a laptop and said "I'd buy this if only they didn't fuck up this one feature" being able to retroactively swap simple parts (and even in the future had a catalogue of parts for one component) Really could feasibly make this the last laptop you need to buy.
@Adzetko They really need to make more parts industry standard, such that most screens of particular size will fit, just like RAM and SSD. At the other end of the spectrum, their module bays need an extra connector providing stuff like PCIe lanes and non-USB power. This would allow the aftermarket to create modules with non-USB chips, such as 10Gb Ethernet and 8Gb SAS.
@Allan Shpeley I think the biggest problem you mentioned is screen size options, it is a problem hardly solvable without changing the whole chassis, which would mean splitting your production in two and outputting more waste. But for the refresh rate/glare issues, well I'm pretty confident saying it's just a matter of time before they'll release a matte 120 Hz panel. Maybe some out of the shelf screens like these already exist compatible with the Framework though?
Glad I came across this video! Was just thinking about researching good laptops that are still repairable after my HP has started to show signs of reaching the end of its life and being far less DIY friendly than they were in the past.
Super impressed with this. I am a mac user but have been very interested in the Framework laptop. Now to see that I can upgrade just the motherboard and make it a PC, I JUST might have to finally make the switch, (but keep my Macbook Pro for my design work). SO TEMPTING.
These framework laptops seem to be a great idea. Now, they're a little on the expensive side, they don't have AMD CPUs and they "don't accept pre-orders in my country". So, I guess I'm gonna wait a little bit?
absolutely love the concept behind this company! Hope to see an EGPU module that fits the modular system. My thought is that you could make it take up all the slots on a side to give more bandwidth than the average EGPU then have it stick out a few inches past the laptop to give you the real-estate for a good, maybe even desktop grade card, admittedly this would require one heck of a cooling solution...
This laptop looks like so much fun. It’s like a fender strat, it’s a classic style with endless customizability. Going forward, I truly hope we see third party mods to change the game
The repurpose of the old motherboard to a mini pc instantly made me happy as hell. This with a nice iGPU (meaning Ryzen 6000 or Ryzen 7000 notebook APUs) would really shine so bright. Amazing!
I look forward to buying a framework as soon as an alternate touchpad module with physical buttons exists (although I'd like a chassis option supporting six ports and a larger battery)
I like the concept of modular and the right to repair. This will reduce the cost and other unnecessary things. With further innovation it may be a much more practical and efficient system. I agree with this product.
