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Not many people talk about how after Cory's death, Sam was basically made to be a discount Finn. They deadass even put him in the same clothes that Cory wore as Finn, and had him take the same path that Finn would have. This was so apparent to me and still disgusts me to this day.
@jessicotte ok that makes me MAD they cut a happy ending for those two to give more time to RACHEL??? THE WHOLE SHOW IS BASICALLY JUST RACHEL WHY DID THEY DO THAT!!!!! WE WERE ROBBED 😭
Nicole Davis apparently i heard the sam and Mercedes did end up together in the last episode but they cut the scene where they got back together so that rachel can have more screen time. in my head i still think they are together
Yeah I find it really bad when Sam kissed Rachel in season 6 or 5 ( can't remember which one ). And it also sucked because since we never got a conclusion of what happens to Cory/Fun, as to Rachel just moving passed it without really going back to her roots but goes bad as the seasons continue
Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa (who developed Riverdale) is one of the writers staff in Glee through Season 3 onwards and also the writer for Archie meets Glee as well.
Well i absolutely loved Kurt in the first two seasons, but S3 and onwards he was tolerable 15% of the time to me, with his voice being responsable for a large percentage of the time where i find him intolerable. Overral tho, Kurt's a great character especially the first two seasons, but not immune to any of the flaws of the writing more than anyone else
I agree and would also like to nominate Coach Beiste for second place. They were awesome, even if the transitioning storyline contradicted the feminity storyline from earlier in the show
The ENERGY that man gave to the scene where Finn calls the lamp and blanket Kurt picked out "faggy", and he IMMEDIATELY shut that shit DOWN. "this is our HOME, Kurt. *turns to Finn* he is my SON. And you will NOT speak to him like that. I love your mother, but I'm prepared to lose her over this if I have to." The fucking CHILLS. The only father to ever father. Him and professor Utonium from the PPG are the only men who exist and that's the tea 💅🏻 Truly tho, being a little gay kid when I saw that scene....... it hit different
I will say this for Glee: the Bohemian Rhapsody sequence is top tier editing, and probably one of the all-time best visual spectacles ever seen on TV in the 21st century. To. This. Day. I still, even when watching it out of context on TRvid, get goosebumps every single time I watch it. It definitively shows how the rival show choir beat the New Directions simultaneously with the very reasons as to why ND is a better group of people by having them all show up for Beth's birth, all while _some-fuckin-how_ breathing new life into the greatest pop song ever written. Ryan Murphy's greatest achievement. Bar none.
@Indira Sheumaker i liked Rachel in season 1-2 because she was actually hardworking while being very very obnoxious but also kind of entertaining Then yknow
Can we talk about Ryder opening up being sexually assaulted and everyone made fun of him, Will said NOTHING about it and it was never talked about again?🙈
@Lee Cow honestly i think it was rlly reflective of attitudes towards sa at the time, especially when it came to men as victims of it. glee was never amazing at dealing with social issues anyways but they rlly fucked it up, plus the fact that its never mentioned again??? weird
@i wake up and boom im a rat The characters telling Ryder that he is "lucky" that a woman had SA'd him brings light to the fact that people think it is okay for women to SA men, and when the men try to speak up about it they get told she is "Into him" or she "tried to make a move" on him etc. It was almost a hidden message in the show about how men SA'ing people is bad and women SA'ing people is okay.
Something I haven't seen many people mention is the fact Vocal Adrenaline is from the same state as the New Directions yet, both teams are in the NATIONAL competition TWICE. It drove me crazy for years.
It's because they never do a state competition. They do sectionals and regionals, but never state. Regionals is the qualifying competition for nationals. Even though they're in the same state, they can be in a different division for regionals
@mac this isn’t always how national competitions work. a lot of activities and athletics do have the possibility of multiple teams in the same division from the same state
On the point of how Glee handled its LGBT characters, the one standout memory I have from the show is the Teen Drinking episode where, when Blaine was questioning whether he might be Bisexual, Kurt's immediate response was, "Bisexual is term gay people use to tiptoe back into the closet", and every once in a while that sneaks up on me like being smacked in the back of the head with a rotting Mackerel.
Idk if it's just me but it feels like something that Kurt as a character wouldn't say, like it feels out of character for him specifically. Like yeah ok maybe he's just saying it bc he's jealous or whatever, but even then that just felt like a bizarre and overly mean line coming from him.
There is a random moment in one of the later seasons where he smacks Mercedes’ ass for no reason and nobody acknowledges it. Apparently it’s a joke from the shows tour or something like that but it slipped though editing and made the final cut.
Honestly I was all up here for a Glee re vamp knowing Ryan Murphy had repeateadly said that he had learned a lot because of Glee's mistakes and I was hopeful he could do a good restart and then he said he wanted Lea on it and I knew he learned nothing from Glee's biggest mistake which was always favoring Lea against anyone else.
Ryan Murphy has great ideas, but such a mediocre way of following them to completion. I hadn't seen anything from him since American Horror Story Season 4, and I heard about Season 8 joining like three seasons... It had like 2 good episode, 1 of them was ok, and the rest was a mess, up to the end.
Glee and Tumblr go arm in arm in the fact that they both are items of their time that really make a person cringe when looking back, but are so connected to our formative years that a lot of us would fight to death to protect it
Can we just acknowledge the fact that Neil Patrick Harris got an Emmy for a guest role?? Like, this man is so fucking talented he got an Emmy for being around twenty minutes on screen (and, hands down, giving one of the best duettes).
Yes, he won the Emmy for GUEST Actor in a Comedy Series. It is an award the give out every year. He is very talented but you make it seem that he was so impressive that they made up an award just for him.
The fact that in the story his characther lost the audicion for Shue annoyed me so much. Like they could have made him do a subpar performance, but instead they just pretended he didn't rock and tried to gaslight the audience about Shue being better.
Yeah but his own son was sexually harassing Finn and made him uncomfortable and Burt was just screaming at Finn when he said few bad words? The words were bad, don't get me wrong. However they were about THINGS and not about Kurt himself. Go and watch the episode if you want. Kurt didn't suffer ANY circumstances. I always found that unfair.
He's like: "do you want to see Glee ruining your favourite songs?" And i am like: yes! I am a gleek i want Glee to ruin my favourite songs, i spent 6 years waiting for The Smiths week
@rotting I watched the pilot at the start of this video to remember a little bit more and I had to literally move my laptop to look away from the screen a lot of times. And that was only the first episode.
Why? He was in love with his wife and then Emma. He was a friend to teenagers so he's automatically a predator?? You snowflakes get a fking crip to the reality and look up what a predator really mean. I had a ''kind uncle'' that liked touching me. No he WAS a real predator. Grooming me by being my friend and trying to lure me in. Like an idiot I bought it. I was a child and believed and trusted him. Will never touched anyone. He was what he was. I also had adult friends cause I was more mature for my age. They didn't touch me or try to force me to do anything. Learn the difference, please. And stop trying to turn something wonderful into ugly. Friendships between young and old exist. Older teach us many things and we should appreciate them. I did. It was much better than doing childish shht with the same age idiots. So yeah. There was only ONE predator. And he wasn't even one of those that I chose to be a friend but a relative. Teachers CAN be predators. But he wasn't!
The most egregious “no consequences of their actions” part of Glee for me is Kurt attending approximately 4 days of his Vogue internship and then basically never going back again, with a little insert by Sarah Jessica Parker saying yeah it’s chill you’re so talented you don’t even have to come to work
I find it really funny that Gorillaz actively and publicly denied Glee, cause their song Clint Eastwood (banger) is in the first Trolls movie. It has "MCR refusing to let Twilight use their music but personally recorded Welcome to the Black Parade in simlish for the Sims" energy
@lithiumkid tbh i just think at the time it felt weird for their frontman because, althought it was not as well know at the time as today, the concept of a vampire boyfriend and all that was based on mcr's concept and main vocalist. maybe today that would be another thing but at the time maybe he felt weird about it
Twilight portrayed an abusive relationship as romantic, had a main character pretending to be native american when the actor wasn’t, and was written by someone who based one of the love interests on her own brother. Sims is a good, pretty unproblematic series of games with multiple iconic gothic and alt characters that tons of people remember by name even 22 years later. i see why they didn’t want to be associated with Twilight and i think there’s nothing weird or hypocritical about them then going on to put a song into Sims 3.
The problem with Glee is literally Rachel (and the actor who played her). I was so sick of Glee constantly revolving around her while pushing mediocre or downright absurd storylines to literally every other character. The later seasons feel like a fever dream most of the time.
@Zahrah I feel the same way, she's a good singer but there's nothing special or unique about her voice to me, like she needed to give it a little more flare or personality or something
It makes me so mad that she got so much screentime that basically nobody else got significant storylines or development. Like I wanted more Mercedes and Santana singing, and better writing for Sam and more stuff for him to do. And Mike!!! Give Mike a plot dammit!!!
I feel like the reason why so many people (me included :/) put up or even liked rachel is because she is a revenge fantasy. I related to her because she was this deeply insecure person who hated everything (her looks, her personality, her social skills) about herself except for her *one* talent (her singing). And she tried to overcompensate by acting confident and using her ambition and hard work to push her talent towards success. But the show tried to paint her as the bullied underdog and her bullies as the “peaked in highschool types” and the thing is not only did they humanize her “bullies” so rachel had no excuse to be such a nasty person, but highschool and life just does not work out like that, nerds don’t always become bosses, popular kids are genuinely nice and can become successful after highschool. We have to remember that rachel wasn’t just beloved by annoying theater kid fans, but by critics as well, heck lea got nominated for an Emmy 🙄. But Rachel was not an underdog because the writers always gave her the upper hand, because she always succeeded at the end, and she only did because she was their wish fulfillment fantasy. And honestly people are able to call her out more easily because we have progressed past the “I’m gonna be your boss one day” storylines, I still kinda like her because she inspired me to be hardworking and mainly simply because of nostalgia since she helped me through my teen years, but now I’d rather watch booksmart for a relatable nerdy overachieving female character who actually ends up getting a taste of reality, and who actually grows.
Hebe Casas she had 0 character development and it would’ve been nice if nyada didn’t accept her but no she eventually gets in and becomes famous and successful and gets her fairytale ending despite the love of her life also dying like what everything bad that happened to her she’d immediately get way more good things and the bad thing would get fixed it would’ve been good for her character if she didn’t get everything
this reminds me of one of my favorite Tumblr quotes of all time: just because a television show doesn't actively address a specific issue doesn't mean they're actively avoiding it either. you know what happens when you try to stuff every possible social debate under the sun into one show? you get glee. that's what happens.
OMG THIS!! This is brilliant and should be copied and pasted as a reply to every Twitter rant of people overreacting to something being “problematic” because it didn’t explicit address every single social issue.
hey just as an fyi for the future, the terms "wheelchair bound" and "handicapable" are not generally loved by the disability community. "wheelchair bound" just isn't super accurate because wheelchairs are tools for mobility that help people get around and live their lives, wheelchairs are not a hindrance or something that someone is "bound" to, they actually give people freedom. "handicapable" is considered to be a little patronizing, we know we're disabled, you can just say disabled. again, it's not a super huge deal, just for the future. also it was a pretty big ppoint of contention within the disability community that archie was not played by an actual wheelchair user, just because their are so many wheelchair-using actors who can't get non-wheelchair parts.
the one thing that wasn’t mentioned was how rushed kurt and bkaines relationship was. they broke up 3 times, randomly got engaged?, started dating again randomly, and then got married within a week. honestly most of the plot holes like Blaine cheating were unnecessary and made some sense but not much. blaine dating karofsky was unneeded as well, and the whole plot with Kurt and blaine was rushed, dramatic, and unrealistic. I hold glee very close to my heart and it got me through the roughest times of my life but i feel like there was no point in what they did. and even though the whole sue sylvester klaine stuff was hilarious it made no sense. they started dating very quickly and as much as I like their show and the representation it makes no sense to me.
They also first got together in one of the dumbest ways: first Blaine is not interested, then he suddenly is after Kurt sing a song to a dead bird which makes him realize he likes Kurt actually. It would have been a good arc to show that not just because someone's also gay it means you have to get together, but... Ryan Murphy just has a crush on Darren Chris...
I cannot believe you would say "this exists there's nothing we can do about it" about smooth criminal like it isn't one of the most legendary things this show has given us
Saw this comment before I heard him say it... Still bothered me when he said it. That version of Smooth Criminal is the only version of the song I ever hear anymore....
the OUTRAGE i felt when he said this! glee's smooth criminal is both a cover that my family completely unironicallys add to every road trip playlist and sing along night ever, and is, in my opinion, so much better than the original. i absolutely love it with my whole heart, even though I don't know if I've even seen the whole episode it comes from
"When it was good, there was nothing like it" sums it up very well. I was in my mid 20s when i watched glee and the teen drama and ridiculous story lines were grating at that point. BUT. Having been in some form of choir/chorus or musical theater group all through my time at school, when they were on stage and they hit those big notes, and you could see the emotion on the faces and hear the harmonies welling up like tsunamis - i cried. A LOT. If performing is your thing, then there is NOTHING like it. And glee reminded me of "my time in the spotlight" (if you can call it that lol). Yeah, it's ridiculous, over the top, silly, insane, exaggerated, just straight up DUMB sometimes. And viewed from today, the tokenism is just... oof. But the core of the show - people being passionate about music and performing - is something i will always be able to come back to and hysterically cry over. (Because i did not make it as a singer, like, at all. Singing makes me sad now. But glee reminds me of when i was still able yo dream, like the characters.)
I'm not a performer but I fully agree with you!! I cry when I hear someone singing from the bottom of their hearts. Ughh just watch Death Note Kwang Ho Hong singing.... jeeeshhhh.
I had a friend who said the show should have ended with "The Quarterback." After streaming the show, I realized, I had pretty much stopped watching after that. Cory was absolutely the glue. Just a note, though, when I re-watched the very first episode, I cried when Cory came on screen. Oh, yeah, and after being mandated at work to go to "violence in the workplace" trainings, Sue would not have been able to continue working - she would have had to clean up her act or leave. No comments on that!
I hate that in the last couple seasons he gets like...meaner?? He started out so sweet and not innocent in a purity culture way but innocent in a sweet purehearted way. Like he was so caring, friendly, fun loving, and even tho he was a bit air headed he wasn't stupid. And then magically he just became kinda more of a dick and just straight up dumb at times. Makes me sad man.
It's such a shame too. He's probably my favorite character from the show but its so blatantly obvious they were trying to make him into a bunch of different things from him dating literally every main New Direction girl to a dumb shell of the character we once knew. I wish they just stuck with what they wrote him to be in seasons 2 and 3. He was somewhat responsible, cared about people a lot more than most of the other characters and actually had somewhat of a purpose with his character. His relationship with Mercedes was sweet imo and he was a good contrast to a lot of the other male characters on the show. His slightly nerdy schtick was refreshing and was the perfect comedy for him rather than just making him a dumb blonde. The writers so obviously tried to mold him into the New Finn but it completely took away any charm his character had and I hate it all so much.
@thenvie They should have just made him a love interest for Kurt. He could've been bi or something. But I still love Blaine. Just in season 4 onwards...
I absolutely agree that Season 4 is a hot mess. However…Santana singing “Mine” as she breaks up with Brittany…is well done and completely heartbreaking. (Totally unnecessary and stupid but you have to give the actresses props for making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear).
Crazy Ex Girlfriend is a great tv musical that I’m so glad that Ryan Murphy never touched. Although I would love to see the CXG writers to tackle Glee.
Remember when MARLEY had to apologise for fainting from her eating disorder. She Had to be The one to apologise because everyone was mad at her for fainting. SHE HAD TO APOLOGISE FOR HER EATING DISORDER
I was so mad a Shue for suspending her from the group for coming out at the last minuet as a Katie and not a GaGa, I yell at my TV 😂 how dare he yell and punish a girl with an eating disorder for being true to herself and not what she thinks others want her to be! the actor dying on Grey's anatomy helps to think about sometime lol.
@Malou Arquiza To be fair she also had a flawed mom who told her super skinny daughter to go on a DIET. Maybe I have a different experience with my mom, but how could a mother say that as a response to her daughters worries?
She also apologized for being cheated on and not wanting to date someone else like the very next day. SO FRIKKING MAD ABOUT THAT. Marley must have had the worst self esteem, or else I would not forgive the writing job there.
Lea Michele's performance in "The Quarterback" is one of the greatest performances in television history. Her conversation with Will is devastating to such a degree that I can't watch it anymore.
36:08 The Glee train would muster on. That is until it got derailed. The editing and timing gave me chills. I was watching Glee during its prime and as a fan back then and partially still to this day. Cory's death was a horrible tragedy and no matter who you supported or even knew the show. July 13 2013 was a day of sorrow and also condolences. Some people to this day miss him.
This really makes you appreciate teen dramas like Buffy the Vampire Slayer, where consequences are the backbone of the entire series where everything that happens is such a huge part of the characters and their growth.
i never see anyone talk about this, but i think a major reason for the shows complete shift in tone and seemingly lack of direction during season 5 was largely due to the fact finn was, essentially, the heart of the show - it's clear most of the storylines planned would have relied on finn being there. like yeah, finn wasn't an amazing character but you can really feel the loss of cory monteith in the later seasons had a major impact on the shows overall feel and quality. another note: glee's main problem is it's refusal for their main characters to actually grow and develop. quinn was the only character that actually changed and grew and then (this is from memory, so i may be wrong on this) ryan murphy threw that away for petty reasons because he wanted quinn to stay the bitchy mean girl and dianna's portrayal of quinn meant he couldn't do that anymore.
Fanny was white. Santana LOOKS latina. Maria was a latina. Rachel COULD be latina cause the way she looks. She just has a certain look. Take it up with the entertainment community. That's the way they do it. And that's just the way the world works. So many characters can be played by the person if s/he LOOKS the part. And if you have the talent needed. Rachel/Lea is just a better singer as well. Say what you want or disagree but showbusiness is TOUGH and no place for snowflakes. Eventhough the today's talking heads in tv try soooo hard to tell us - everyone should be equal. We're not equal. This chick that could't sing was still on Glee club? Cause she's rich maybe? That's wrong but that's the way world works. Hypocrisy and unfairness. So deal with it. Life is tough.
it’s insane to me that no one in this comment thread has mentioned that Lea Michelle auditioned for Maria in Spielbergs WSS even though it was widely known that he was only accepting actual Latinos and Latinas for the Sharks ? She even complained that she went out of her way to learn Spanish and cried when she didn’t get the role
i actually really liked santana's storyline about being a lesbian because 1 its rare that lesbians get any representation, 2 she was experiencing a lot of internalized homophobia which i related to a lot and had never seen portrayed before and 3 i had also never seen an accurate (sort off, the tv thing was weird) portrayal of what being outed is like before, which is something that happened to me in school so i really liked that :) . There were some things tho like how she just forgave finn after because he sang a song.
I’m so confused at your description of the Rachel and Finn S3 ending cause it’s entirely the opposite of what actually happened. For me it captured what you were talking about with s1 doing so well - emotional stakes. Finn literally breaks up with her on their wedding day cause he acknowledges the reality that long distance and the work Rachel will need to put in to achieve her dream just won’t work congruently with their relationship. It’s quite arguably the most selfless thing a Glee character does (all to be undone 4 episodes later of course LOL).
Tina's character disolvement from the end of season 3 is a symptom of Ryan Murphy being totally unable to write a shy/introverted character or a character with lower confidence and self esteem
i personally think seasons 1 - 3 are the golden age of this show. seasons 4 and 5 are tolerable but bad and season 6 should be considered a national tragedy and apologized for just like the run joey run performance
Rachel was quite literally a horrible person and she got so much pass throught the show AND THEN they tried to make you feel bad when another character put her in her place
Anyone remember they give Tina a horrible line when Finn pass? The one complain dressing black? I am not talking about how they ruin that gothic girl's personality in show Jenna and Cory are friends! How could they? I just can't believe it. Poor Jenna. And there are always racial jokes around Tina. Even when she trying to win the prom queen. They make it like a moral kidnapping if people don't vote for Tina then they are racists. I really love Glee. But all the racial jokes it's not ok at all.
santana and brittany being in love and their story plus some other kind of background characters is what gave glee life for me. i was fine with how ridiculous it became because at least their were some characters that i loved. this show is a lot of insane. chaotic, random ass things but there are episodes that are very real and the emotion everyone showed in the quarterback episode was so real and i don't even know how they were strong enough to do it because i couldnt.
"when it was good, there was nothing else like it" honestly that perfectly encapsulates that show and why i (and probably many others) kept watching and honestly still can enjoy it now. obviously it was frustrating, at least when it was ridiculous you could laugh and make fun of it, but sometimes you would have those awesome moments that just made you forget about everything frustrating.
Okay, to be real, that entire first 12 episodes of Glee is probably the best writing the show had, and we'll never see it again. Glee was about a show choir trying to win the competition, but those first 12 episodes showed that they can balance multiple story arcs and have a well executed pay-off. Again, something we never see from that point on
"But when it was good, there was nothing else like it." This sums it up perfectly. I was part of the fandom from mid-season 1/beginning of s2, through the beginning of s4 (and tried to at least read summaries until s5 when I really lost interest). There were literal live watch parties on Livejournal every week when a new episode aired. People created episode commentary blog posts complete with full screenshots and quotes and animated gifs and memes from the show. Even the people who unironically loved the show, myself included, would rant about all the dumb, weird, and/or just plain nonsensical stuff happening in each episode. But there was just enough "good" in it, to string us along and keep us coming back for more, week after week, hoping for more "good". But also, you couldn't love Glee and not poke some kind of fun at it. It was stupid, and we recognized that even as we loved it - possibly because it was stupid and insane.
You know, Glee is a terribly written series and I would never legitimately recommend one to watch it, but it also holds such a special place in my heart. It's such a feel-good show and despite the undeniable cringe, it has helped me in so many ways, and I will forever be thankful for that. Out of all the bad that came out of Glee, there was also some really good stuff that people tend to overlook.
I love this video so much, 100% accurate. The only thing that wasn’t mentioned here was that Santana and Brittany are actually 2 very good characters (which is rare for Glee), but it’s also understandable that this wasn’t mentioned seeing as the writers of the show neglected them and wrote next to no scenes for them. A shame really
Your ending description sums glee up perfectly. It's so bad but so good at the same time. The bad and cringey parts are overshadowed by the good and loved parts because the good parts are just THAT GOOD. Glee is one of those shows that just keeps you coming back over and over again and won't ever stop.
as an avid glee fan, there’s nothing i hate more than this damn show… the fact that the writers got away scott-free with some of this is genuinely crazy, however there’s also a part of me that is super grateful it got me into actors like Darren Criss and even side characters like Jonathan Groff. If it weren’t for this show, i wouldn’t have discovered musical theatre and now it’s something i can’t live without.
Mic: Glee is absolute trash. Glee fans: Haha, you are so right. Nobody hates this show more than we do. It's terrible. Mic: "Smooth Criminal" is a bad cover. Glee fans: *Now what we not gon' do...*
Marley Rose is our unproblematic queen end of discussion thank you have a great day. Also, we were totally robbed of the mentorship/friendship between Marley and Mercedes.
I was actually obsessed with Rachel when I was younger. I dressed like her for a while too 😂 Corey’s death was very traumatic for me. He was my favorite character and I felt like he brought the heart and soul to the show. I couldn’t bare to watch season 5. It took me over 5 years to watch quarterback.
I was in high school while glee was actively airing and it definitely influenced our creative programs. Luckily in orchestra we didn’t do anything from glee, but we had a glee club and our drill team did heads will roll/ thriller
My biggest problem with Glee is that...It's kinda my personally designed trash? As a former Show Choir kid who graduated High School in 2009, I was smack-dab in the center of its core audience. Raised on the most popular music of the past 5 decades and in love with expressing my broken home, angsty, world ending teenage emotions through song, Glee *was* me. The outcast nerd girl imagining sweeping dramatic music videos every time I sang. The unreality of it was the *draw,* not off-putting. And yeah, around season 4 it kind of all fell apart, and it's problematic and bad...But I mourn it precisely because it's as close as I'll ever get to that premise done perfectly to my taste. There's nothing to replace it with because nothing comes so close, and yet so far. I am bereft and full of guilty pleasure every time I come back to it.
I remember them painting Marley as the bad guy for having an eating disorder because it got them disqualified from sectionals instead of making Kitty the bad guy for making Marley have said eating disorder in the first place. It was the first time I was actually mad at the show but yet somehow I still kept watching ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Not to take away from your take on that storyline but just wanna point out that just because the characters in the show behave a certain way doesn't necessarily mean you're meant to agree with them. For exemple the whole "you're all minorities bc you're part of the glee club" has always been taken as a serious statement instead of yet another instance where Will is completely out of pocket. But I also get that not everyone picks up on that and that can lead to actual damage done to the viewers directly or indirectly
31:10 i'd like to mention here that Let's Have a Kiki/Turkey Lurkey Time is a massive inside joke and iconic point in time with my friends. It is my favorite number from the show, actually. Love it.
The version of Teenage Dream that Darren Chriss sang acoustic later on is 1000x better and still gives me goosebumps till today. I actually listen to it a lot. I have to admit, back then Glee already was bad. Besides that performance I dont remember much of that season.
I'm glad you mentioned the "Baby Got Back" discourse, I was upset when it happened and when I tried to explain to people why they all thought I was overreacting. Glad to see someone else saw how fucked up that was
something i hate was the fact that everyone always had to give up something good for themselves for rachel to be satisfied. mercedes with the role of maria, finn just had to make lots of decisions that revolved around them being together instead of her deciding to go with him wherever *he* wanted to go, and santana even having to give up the understudy of fanny brice, a role on broadway, because rachel didn't like it. the show should've been called "Rachel" for crying in the night
I have a lot of mixed feelings about Glee. I love it because I see myself in Kurt quite a lot. Also, although she is definitely not the best character, I actually like how Rachel doesn't give up on her dreams. However, the show is extremely problematic. Also, Cory Monteith's death was actually heart breaking and the show wasn't the same without him. I actually like the second half of season 5 and season 6, but it just wasn't the same without him
“Yep. You nailed it. Well done.” - a fan who, though knowing it stunk from season three onwards and realized it started having serious problems during season two whose seeds were sown during the back nine of the first season, held on clinging to the railing like one on the Titanic while the band played “Nearer, My God to Thee”.
I unironically love season 6. It feels like the writers decided “hey you know how our show is half drama and half nonsense at this point? Time to get rid of the dead weight!” and I fucking love it.
I was such a massive fan of Glee at the beginning, even saw the live show. I FULLY thought i watched the whole show. I - I didn't even realize there was a 6th season apparently. I'm blown away with this!
Glee has one flawless point: Burt Hummel! Kurt's father is the most loving character ever. He doesn't care for Kurt's sexuality, he only cared for his son's happiness and safety! When Finn made a homophobic comment about Kurt, he was willing to break up with his beloved girlfriend (aka Finn's mother) to protect his son! Burt is the best by far!
@Lolopoloso yes of course I’m so sorry if I offended you. turns out burt really is the only unproblematic character, unless I forgot something he’s done wrong lmao
@Maria yeah a lot of people seeem to forget about it but to be fair it was a very small moment it’s just I try to remind people because it can be quite triggering for so me people but im sure you just forgot and it’s fine just try to remember for later (and it’s totally fine to like the character if you just remember to acknowledge the wrong and problematic things that they have done😊)
even when kurt did come out to burt he wasn't surprised because he knew ever since kurt was a little kid kurt was very feminine and not like other boys and instead of being ashamed of him and trying to force kurt to be more masculine and be more of a tough boy burt supported and loved him unconditionally and during the i want to hold your hand performance theres a flashback of burt and kurt as a kid having tea parties and playing dress up which i thought was really cute
In Kurt’s and Rachel’s loft they have a sign that has my last name and I’m always intrigued. I actually get Rachel becoming disenchanted about her dream as not all dreams are what we imagine them to be. Sometimes have to regroup and relearn our true love again.
The fact that they were so lazy they left “Johnny C’s in trouble” on the the stolen arrangement shows not only did they not give a damn, they actively didn’t give a damn before being publicly called out. It got past numerous people and onto tv. Certainly multiple people asked “Johnny C?” And were told . . . who knows what. I would sure ask if I was on a tv show and asked to sing a different line in a song I already knew the lyrics to and that didn’t make any sense even in context. I really want to know how they explained to the numerous people on the production who asked.
*being reminded the wedding/driving/regional/suicide episode was in fact one episode and not 5 diffrent ones that I for some reason thought* Oh sweet jebus Im gonna have to watch it all again arent I?
the SECOND you said there was a second song you thought was great and those question marks came up i went "its got to be paradise by the dashboard light". my all time favourite performance pulls through once again
The upside that did me in was the Christmas special where they framed Artie’s disability as a necessity that ensured everyone in the club was happy and involved. It left a really bad taste in my mouth and every episode after that just felt hollow.
I’ve now watched this three different times because it’s just so well put together! I appreciate your perspective as someone focused on music production!
