Framework Laptop 12th Gen Upgrade! Performance and Efficiency Tested!

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The 11th Gen Framework vs The 12th Gen Framework. Was the $800 I spent worth the upgrade. Here's a bunch of 11th vs 12th Gen benchmarks and data, you be the judge.

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0:00 - Intro
1:22 - Agenda
2:06 - Top Cover Upgrade
3:15 - 11th vs 12th Gen Specs
4:20 - CPU Performance Benchmarks
6:51 - Video Editing
8:17 - Photo Editing
8:45 - Productivity
9:52 - Coding
10:20 - Graphics
11:07 - Gaming
12:11 - Power Efficiency / Battery Life
14:03 - Final Conclusions

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TheCorruptedBit 7 aylar önce

Even if the performance increase isn't quite worth $800 to me, it still means its a great time to buy a Framework for new customers!

Keenan Xu 2 aylar önce

@garbage😂😂😂😂

garbage 2 aylar önce

@Icona apple put a charging port on the bottom of a mouse

Icona 2 aylar önce

@Trashtronics dude just spent 2k on a underperforming Walmart version of a MacBook Pro with 6Hrs of battery life. 🤡. But hey, he gets to replace the bad quality parts, with more bad quality parts from the same company!!!! It’s genius!!! 🤡. It’s easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled.

Rusty Larry 2 aylar önce

Which you can use for other stuff or sell it as a mini pc

Rusty Larry 2 aylar önce

But you still have the old board

Karan Bedi 7 aylar önce

I feel the mainboard upgrade is for 3-5 years after purchasing however, having a option annually is the way to go for water damage

Anankin12 6 aylar önce

Not to mention if I buy now, I would upgrade 1 year later than what someone who bought last year will.

Dark Mugetsu 7 aylar önce

Just wait several generations. At the very least if there is a catastrophic failure you can just buy the upgrade instead or replacing the original CPU motherboard. I just hope they are getting enough revenue to years later design a new framework laptop that fixes some of the flaws of the original and create buisness and gaming models

Tech Freak 4 aylar önce

@Michael Berlinger because if it breaks you don't need to buy a new laptop.

Shayan 5 aylar önce

also ryzen... srsly this sucks.

Michael Berlinger 7 aylar önce

@RunForPeace 2020 that totally makes sense. I wonder why there's an e-waste issue then.

Michael Berlinger 7 aylar önce

@Ashley Paul I don't know of many other laptops with user replaceable/upgradable cpus I think it's more about the company ethos than them doing anything "new". Apple, and others, for example will fix certain defects by giving a refurbished unit and chucking the damaged one. Framework is building the device to last, moving away from the consumable electronic paradigm.

RunForPeace 2020 7 aylar önce

@Michael Berlinger or you can just sell your used laptop to a good home and buy a new some … like 99% of people. No ewaste. Just hand me downs People have been doing that for generations with old clothes and household items and such … some even pass it on to their younger siblings …

Leon Matthes 7 aylar önce

I'd love to see a Linux Coding test for 11th vs 12th gen. My Framework is currently running Fedora with the i5-1135g7 and I imagine many other developers are running similar setups. It would be great if you could include tests for compiling C/C++ code and Rust code. Also battery life and standby power draw would be really intersting, as that is likely fairly different on Linux.

Aditya Bhargava 7 aylar önce

Framework has said that the new hinge doesn't address the screen wobble-it's just to add resistance to the movement of the lid. This helps keep the lid in place when walking with the laptop open and in hand, for example, where each step can lower the lid just a bit (more so if, e.g., going down a flight of stairs).

Arn_Thor 7 aylar önce

I am so glad Framework exists and I wish them the best, hoping to get one of their laptops in future. However, when buying a new laptop this year the battery life and performance of Apple Silicon was too tempting to resist. Intel is clearly holding back Framework’s potential, and I hope to see them work with AMD to release laptops with better battery-life-to-performance ratios.

Laptop Retrospective 7 aylar önce

Thanks for putting this video together, very well presented and answers a real question on the benefits of upgrading. Perhaps as the generations of boards become more numerous, an upgrade of two or even three mainboard versions would have a higher cost-benefit. This of course will only matter if they can maintain this form factor long enough for more versions to be made.

Ashley Paul 7 aylar önce

By the time you're talking 2-3 generations, though, we are talking about replacing way more than just a mainboard. At the very least, there will be new RAM. I think that the Framework is fairly priced and so are the upgrades, but they're always going to have to sell it on the promise of DIY friendliness to tinkerers because economically, they will never really be able to compete against companies like Dell who can offer entire computers for cheaper than Framework upgrades, and they can just offer extended warranties, which will be totally fine for 95% of users.

Alex Seibz 7 aylar önce

As Intel is still submitting patches to bring their Linux experience up to par with their Windows experience on 12th gen, I would recommend Arch or Fedora 36 for 12th gen testing, as you will want a 5.18.x Linux kernel at the minimum

Acinonyx Jubatus 7 aylar önce

Exactly. My Arch already has the 5.19.2 kernel and the only thing holding the performance back is the fact that I have a Pentium E5200 and not an actually powerful Alder lake or Zen3 chip 🤣

Sasa Kanjuh 6 aylar önce

As a developer using Linux, I'd be really interested to see how those two compare in the Linux development workflow :)

illuminati229 7 aylar önce

Nice video! I appreciate that you did all the tests on the different Power profiles. Which power profile did you use for the battery test? What different profiles have led to different results in the battery life test? Also, such a same about those efficiency cores not really being more efficient, I was hoping they were going to help out with battery life.

Sebastian Hirsch 7 aylar önce

I was looking forward to this video and you do not disappoint ^^ - I wonder if the conclusion is a bit different if you bought the cheapest option before and now have the funds for the most expensive one... though to be honest the idea to just repurpose the old mainboard is super tempting. While I do not yet have the need for a new laptop... the next one is likely going to be a Framework, unless I find myself needing something more akin to a gaming laptop and external GPUs are not an option. Repairability deserves the support. Edit; To be honest the noise level is a concern.

Jon Franklin 7 aylar önce

Thank goodness for your channel. The video editing performance is a deal breaker for me that I would have never known if it weren't for this video

Red Panda Dev 4 aylar önce

Would be interested to see the eGPU scores now that Thunderbolt 4 has been activated in Framework's latest firmware...

John M Flores 5 aylar önce

thanks for this detailed review. I'm a mobile content creator and am considering this laptop. The MBP14 would likely be faster and more expensive, but if I'm holding onto the laptop for 4-5 years, I can upgrade the Framework halfway through its lifecycle and likely surpass the MBP.

Jesse Braughler 7 aylar önce

Great vid, nice to see how things stack up. Hopefully they'll do an AMD board in '23 that you could add to these comparisons. Def don't need to upgrade for what I use it for atm.

Purpasmart _ 5 aylar önce

@CJ636C65 Quit spewing BS, you don't know what you are talking about.

CJ636C65 7 aylar önce

AMD is not worth it. They would need to redo every thing Intel takes care of now.

Waste of Space 7 aylar önce

I'd love to see the Linux builds on 11th vs 12th gen.

Joz 7 aylar önce

Is upgrading a single generation ever worth it? still interesting perspective, as you said most people focus on ease of upgrade. Not... why even do it? I'm curious how buying Framework without cpu and then buying "old" one from site like ebay would work out. since we are still to early to buy second hand upgrade from someone who upgraded even more.

Jason Dagless 7 aylar önce

Yeah I'm hoping for at least 3 to 4 gens worth of support per chassis. Then picking up a later from Ebay.

Jake Richter 7 aylar önce

Very nice, CJ. My first FWLT was last year's birthday present to myself, and I was considering upgrading (and more expansion cards, and another screwdriver!) for my birthday this year, but with your info, my use case doesn't justify it. I was idly thinking about your teaser idea a couple days ago - an eGPU case that hosts a Framework mainboard alongside a graphics card. I think that's an excellent project, and I'll follow it - and think about THAT being a justification (for next year!).

Hot Rod Hunk 4 gün önce

Yeah that's the biggest pro for me. I definitely plan on getting one for my next laptop. Hopefully they make a 17' model.

Jonathan Stinebaugh 7 aylar önce

I think framework you will see more performance changes once they release a ryzen motherboards especially with onboard graphics each generation

DorifutoRabbit 7 aylar önce

I appreciate you mentioning video editing even though it's not this laptop's strength. Hopefully they do a larger chassis that A) can hold a graphics card and more RAM and B) isn't so specific that not enough people want it.

Avendor 7 aylar önce

Thank you for talking about the new cover! Other channels are mentioning it but not actually demoing it. Mine should be delivered tomorrow. Also the hinges are available to the general public (I have them) they just sell out as soon as they are in stock. The new hinges are really quite nice but they are stiff enough that one finger lid opening is a challenge. Seems like something at 3.7-3.8kg would have been a nice sweet spot. The conclusion is the same for any year over year product upgrades. You are only getting a marginal improvement over the last gen but most people don't buy a new laptop or a new phone every year. So I'm interested to see how 11th gen compares when we get 13th or 14th gen Intel CPUs (AMD pretty please?)

Avendor 7 aylar önce

@Elevated Systems I got lucky and saw them in stock when visiting the store page one day. Instant buy. Hopefully more in stock soon! Curious to see what you think of them.

Elevated Systems 7 aylar önce

Wierd, I've been on the notify me list since the day the hinges hit the market but have never received a message. Disappointing 😞

Mäx Wonderland 4 aylar önce

Thanks CJ for your continued FW coverage! Really appreciate it :)

Elevated Systems 4 aylar önce

My pleasure!

Jason Dagless 7 aylar önce

I have the same original Framework laptop. The 12th gen upgrade is not currently worth it. I think as long as each chassis is supported for at least three gens then that will work. I might be tempted by a 13th gen upgrade but I would wait for them to filter though on Ebay from the more keen users. That or maybe pick up a 12th gen 18 months from now on Ebay. I can also put the return from selling my 11th gen board for whatever against it. At the end of the day...you got options and opportunities.

Paul Lee 6 aylar önce

I really hope that in the FUTURE, FW offers AMD boards that we can upgrade to - my current 11th gen board will last me a while… I hope that in the long term we’ll see more exciting upgrade paths. I’m a believer.

Zac Harrold 4 aylar önce

Finally ordered a Framework 12th gen after eyeballing it for a while. I do a lot of Docker and Rust development, so an upgradable laptop with 12 cores is perfect for me.

Andrew Palmer 6 aylar önce

Nice review. Looking forward to seeing the mini gaming PC you make with the old mainboard.

Mark Soprano 17 gün önce

Hey brother. You always do such a great and thorough job with your reviews. I greatly appreciate it. Keep up the good work. Do you have any recommendations that you would say is better than framework? I’m looking for a computer that I can do gaming, business, and load all my music old CDs on.

Kenneth Yang 2 aylar önce

Great video, I was deciding whether or not I should purchase a 11th gen or 12th gen framework. Looks like the 11th gen is the way to go

Kenneth Yang 22 saatler önce

@Noah Mayer I ended up getting an 11th gen, but oml I wish I waited since Framework just announced their Framrwork 16

Noah Mayer 23 saatler önce

Did you get one?

Leron 7 aylar önce

I'd love to see a Linux OS comparison between the two motherboards across different distros. Specifically I'd love to see Solus OS, Manjaro, and some kind of *buntu

Sai Aylar önce

Looks like 14th gen or AMD Ryzen it is then for me! I can't wait for DDR5 prices to finally come down back to earth and for more TB4 bandwidth. 17" with 6 or 8 TB4 ports sounds like a killer "last laptop you'll ever need" type deal.

Nikko A. 7 aylar önce

Genuinely the last thing that's keeping me away from this laptop is the lack of an AMD option. Considering how some AMD laptops are finally getting Thunderbolt support, I guess I just have to keep on waiting

cunningunz 6 aylar önce

At least there isn't any ((((microsoft pluton)))) this way

Paul Lee 6 aylar önce

Yes to Linux tests pls! Battery life included - you do great on explaining battery stuff using Linux. Don’t forget to remind folks where to poke around - /sys/power…

Gatitasecsii 7 aylar önce

I appreciate your video, and your approach, but I think you shouldn't upgrade your laptop yearly. There's a very pronounced diminishing return when it comes to computational progress lately, so I think you should only upgrade after a couple of generations have passed.

Chandler Tollison 7 aylar önce

Stiffer 4.0kg hinges were actually in stock as of 7/8/22 when I purchased them but seem to have sold out, for good reason

Steve Deitry 7 aylar önce

14:40 - 15:10 The most honest and intelligent thing anyone has said about this thing. Sums it up perfectly IMO.

Aleš Ferlan 6 aylar önce

Its expected. I would imagine most people would not be upgrading their laptops every new generation but every 3-4th. If you're buying a new one (like me) its worth getting the latest one.

Michael Anderson 7 aylar önce

I am trying to find some people to help me design a thicker version of the framework using existing framework parts when possible. I just prefer a thicker and wider laptop which would add options for the customer

RapidDU 7 aylar önce

Framework has to start a 2nd hand selling website where other people can list their older framework parts for sale only then it will succeed because repairability is useless if you can't properly reuse or resell your older parts to make up some part of the expense of the new ones. A lot of people will be there to just buy older 11th gen part for less to diy a media pc or even light workspace PC.

Rick Deckard 6 aylar önce

@xXQuickpawXx creating a dedicated exchange, with industry-standard consumer rights protections, lowers the SNR to the buyers and sellers, ebay has so many filters that must be in place before you can even start to look for the product you want that its almost useless. the best use-case of ebay is for specific sellers to list their inventory. and creating an online marketplace even including all the legal shit would take about a week, its not hard, especially when its all related to a single product line. that isnt reinventing the wheel.

xXQuickpawXx 6 aylar önce

There are a handful of established marketplaces for resell with good consumer protections baked in. No sense for these guys to try and reinvent the wheel. A return-for-discount program might make sense down the road once they're more established, but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Rick Deckard 7 aylar önce

@Elevated Systems eh, same logistics questions were made about this company in the first place, im pretty sure if FW wanted to create an online marketplace they could easily do so, esp given that the parts are QR coded

Austine Declan 7 aylar önce

@RunForPeace 2020 the metal and plastic can be used again in new stuff as for the glass or any other unusable part, they'd have it disposed of better than the average consumer (if they're eco conscious). A company probably disposes e waste better than the average consumer

RunForPeace 2020 7 aylar önce

@Austine Declan what are they gonna do with old parts?!? 😂 They ain’t apple or Samsung Unless you want them to recycle the parts and sell them as new to you without you knowing 😂

BL 6 aylar önce

Regarding the end conclusion re standalone mainboards. The framework hardware just became available in Australia, and I've been wanting to move my home sharebox (btrfs cluster, vpn, plex, syncthing, backups, transmission) from a raspberry pi 4 to a framework mainboard in your nuc enclosure, as the raspberry pi's don't support hardware cryptography so encrypted network traffic is very slow, and plex transcoding outright fails for the raspberry pi. So moving to a framework nuc would be one hell of a nice upgrade for this use case, while supporting a company that is pro right for repair and diy maker vibes. My other option is moving it all to my m1 mac mini when I eventually upgrade to a m2 or m3 mac mini, however that is years away, and I'm more inclined to give my old mac hardware to people more impoverished than I am who are phones and ipads only.

Alexander Betaev 6 aylar önce

i've read somewhere that 12th gen framework solves issue with s3 sleep state in linux (and eliminates that notorious power drain during sleep)

trevoC 5 aylar önce

Personally, I don't think the idea is that you upgrade this every year. For me, this machine would not be my main machine or technically even my second, but used to replace my ultra book (currently Surface Laptop 3) that sits beside my bed and enables me to do work or look stuff up late into the night. Something like a surface laptop 3 needs to be completely replaced every X years as their battery life decreases or performance needs upgrading. In this use case, This upgrad may happen once every 3 or maybe even 4 years. Get the new main board and replace the battery. I don't think any computer component is worth buying bleeding edge components year over year unless you are chasing performance in a very specific scenario.

Pavlo Naumenko 3 aylar önce

AMD mainboard will make this a great laptop. Me personally, expecting to get 10+ hours of light task load from this to make it viable.

Nanne Wielinga 7 aylar önce

The benchmarks vs power efficiency don't make sense. I think Intel 12th gen is just not properly configured. The 'best efficiency' mode should maximally be 10 to 20℅ better than previous generation, instead of more than 200%... I wonder how much you can improve battery life if you downclock the CPU or disable some cores.

Alexandre Rebmann 7 aylar önce

Excellent video thank you, one more suscriber! I'm an 9550 xps 15 owner which unfortunately needs replacement. I absolutely love the concept of the framework laptop but my main concern would be battery life, the second, if the screen is big enough. I was thinking about buying the 12th gen with an i5 (I'll be mainly studying on the laptop). Does it consumes less energy than this i7 and thus, gives more battery life?

Alexandre Rebmann 7 aylar önce

@Elevated Systems thanks a lot!

Elevated Systems 7 aylar önce

I haven't directly tested it but my understanding is the I5 has better idle battery life but it's not significant when under light load.

Hertog 7 aylar önce

Great video appreciate you answering the question if we should rather than how.

Un1XX388 7 aylar önce

I have an 11th gen framework running fedora. I’d love to see performance stats of the 12 gen unit

Un1XX388 7 aylar önce

@Elevated Systems sweet, ty!

Elevated Systems 7 aylar önce

If I do the comparison Fedora will definitely be included.

Richard Ruff 6 aylar önce

Does the 12th gen version have all the same thunderbolt capabilities as the 11th gen one? I understand the 11th gen one was never certified, but was still broadly compatible.

Chetan A 7 aylar önce

Framework should give option to replace mainboard for 11th gen users at a discount of 500usd and resell the 11th gen

NG CHEE WEI 5 aylar önce

Great fan of arm laptop or desktop, this device did it in the right direction, Apple is marketing this for premium price, which is ridiculous.

LaserFur 7 aylar önce

I am looking at turning a used framework motherboard into a low power background system for backups and TV watching. 3D printed case, external monitor,keyboard.

Acinonyx Jubatus 7 aylar önce

Do you think that disabling HyperThreading and half of the E-cores would solve at least *some* of the problems? 🙂 Also, if you are going to make an enclosure with a dGPU, you probably should use the M.2 connector for the GPU and one of the Thunderbolt ports for your storage. I think it will do better than the "usual" way 😆

Acinonyx Jubatus 2 aylar önce

@Winnetou17 Not sure. It would have plenty performance for me tho as I daily drive a dual-core pentium from 2008 and my gf's laptop with a skylake 2c/4t i5-6300U feels like a powerhouse in comparison 😂 (AFAIK, the E-Cores are as or more powerful than usual skylake cores)

Winnetou17 2 aylar önce

I was just as curious. What is the performance, and especially the efficiency on the Alder Lake CPU with all the E-cores disabled, so it's the same 4c/8t vs 4c/8t comparison. I'd hope that for things like video playback or specific tasks, the Alder Lake would be more efficient. But I'm not sure if it can even be done. I mean, the core disabling. Isn't that only available for K or X skus ?

Acinonyx Jubatus 6 aylar önce

@Frag EightyFive That makes sense 🙂 I have the problem that I can only talk about all this stuff theoretically as I don't posess a computer with more than two cores (except for my PinePhone) and neither of my CPUs has multithreading support 😆

Frag EightyFive 6 aylar önce

I haven't tested on laptop parts, but on previous desktop parts, disabling multithreading (HT or SMT) reduces power and temps (along with fans) by quite a bit. In my experience this equates to a couple hundred extra mhz (5% or so) of overclocking or boost frequency. On a laptop this could translate into longer battery life at the expense of some performance, possibly lower heat - but most modern CPUs will run right up to their limit. So a 45watt CPU will ramp up to 45 watts, if thermals, regardless of type or load or if HT/SMT is on.

Ivan Criffer 7 aylar önce

oh, you have one custom heatsink for 1260P, I am very interested in your mod ,because I am search some method to mod my Nuc cooling part too! Maybe I could study from yours.

Lightenzero 3 aylar önce

There cost in R&D and license fees. As well chip cpu cost. There is a lot going going for the cost. There should be some NDA stuff they can't say much. Plus keeping the same slots the same layouts.

Lucky Owl 7 aylar önce

it would be nice to see an AMD Ryzen 6000 Mobile variant of the Framework Laptop, it's a much better CPU

Lucky Owl 7 aylar önce

@CJ636C65 I just said it would be nice.

CJ636C65 7 aylar önce

It's not visible how much engineering it would take. And they are in no position to undertake it now

Bungus Gaming 2 aylar önce

I feel like most people would never upgrade one gen down the line, instead waiting 3-4 years before a board upgrade which would actually be much more of a worthwhile upgrade

Elevated Systems 2 aylar önce

It's been a while but, I'm pretty sure that was my overall conclusion.

Alejandro L 7 aylar önce

How's the battery performance and duration with the improved motherboard? I have a Framework Laptop and the only thing I would complain is the battery duration.

Elevated Systems 7 aylar önce

I covered this in the video.

The delicate snowflake 5 aylar önce

Everyone should know immediately that it's not "worth" it if you care about budget in any kind of way. Same as you don't usually upgrade your PC compotents every year unless you're an enthusiast or actually need it for work. The main advantage is that if for whatever reason you need a new MOBO, then you get a performance uplift as well and you're not buying into old HW. And WHEN you need to upgrade you wil a) pay less b) don't throw a complete laptop out as e-waste.

Just Josh 4 aylar önce

Great video. Glad I found your channel

Christine Kwasnicki 7 aylar önce

I ordered batch 2 of 12th gen. Can't wait for it to arrive! XD

Zwei Wing 15 gün önce

Framework will ever make Mini-version as Pocket size?

Failra 7 aylar önce

I just bought the 12th gen performance framework today. Do you think my laptop will come with the new rigid hinges?

Elevated Systems 7 aylar önce

@Failra According to Framework, they're shipping with the new cover, not hinges.

Failra 7 aylar önce

@Elevated Systems According to Linus Tech Tips, in this video: trvid.com/video/video-SYc922ntnKM.html, the 12th gen are aparantly shipping with the better hinges

Elevated Systems 7 aylar önce

I'm pretty sure they are shipping with the lighter hinges.

Kevin Bryer 7 aylar önce

Not every generation is going to be worth it from the purely performance prospective. The real benefit is all the neat stuff that be done with the old mainboard.

Nexx 7 aylar önce

Egpu comparison was cute. I like it!

The Inktician 7 aylar önce

AMD 6000U series would be perfect for Framework, but AMD hasn't gotten the chips out anyway. There are less than 10 SKUs with 6000U series chips. It's really disappointing

Elevated Systems 7 aylar önce

I just ordered the only one available on the entire internet. A Lenovo ThinkPad 6800U version.

mllarson 7 aylar önce

Please do a Linux and compiling test :-D

Shell Shock 7 aylar önce

They should really release the AMD But I have seen people say they should release with discrete GPU I just don't see how they would fit it in the motherboard

CJ636C65 7 aylar önce

Releasing AMD when they don't have enough engineering time to figure out standby power draw is basically a highway to bankruptcy

T 7 aylar önce

I think the dGPU version would be need two thermal pads - one for the GPU and one for the CPU. Framework has one pad for the Intel CPU/GPU combo.

TheDeathmail 7 aylar önce

No, it's not worth it... it's just that the option is cool. I think it's crazy if people buy it solely for upgrade purposes... But let's say you accidentally damaged your old board, you can purchase a new one... Though, to be fair, it's just them upgrading the board so that their newest laptops have the newest specs... you shouldn't update for a few years...

Андрій Єфименко 7 aylar önce

add development loads. like docker and k8s

Karlo A 6 aylar önce

Has Framework addressed the touch pad issue you were having?

Elevated Systems 6 aylar önce

I put in a customer support ticket and they sent me an entire new input panel.

taro財前丈太郎 11 gün önce

ほんとすごいもの作ってくれたな！

x0r 5 aylar önce

I'll stick to my Thinkpads, thank you very much!

Joel Joseph Reji 7 aylar önce

btw congrats on the shoutout: I did see that the LTT framework video had referenced your review

Adam Wang 5 aylar önce

Be more impressed if it still upgradable after 4 yrs...

Joeymcjoeysalot 7 aylar önce

Just give me a 6800u main board already 😅

Chetan A 7 aylar önce

great video!!

Linear Cannon 4 aylar önce

$800 for that? You can actually buy a full pledge 12th gen laptop with cheaper price!

GARCIAPICO 7 aylar önce

love your videos man. As i small youtube creator you inspire.

Theodore Smith 7 aylar önce

Seems like intel is the cause of most of framework’s problems.

AJ Bridges 5 aylar önce

Linux tests!

Muno 7 aylar önce

3:15 why do you scroll the text along the screen when it could easily just fit all at once? 😅

Winnetou17 2 aylar önce

Don't want to die completely on this hill either, but I was thinking the same. I usually like to see the full table of comparison. So, say, having the 11th gen on the left and the 12th gen on the right would've been much more useful. And because you can't read instantly, you're still glued to the screen. Also, it can be "revealed" or "completed" on the go, so only the first line initially, then the second line as it's also being spoken and so on, in order to keep having moving things, but still have at the end a nice ease to use comparison table of sorts.

Muno 7 aylar önce

like im not gonna die on this hill or anything, just thought it was annoying as a viewer who actually wanted to read the info onscreen haha

Muno 7 aylar önce

@Elevated Systems maybe but it seems like it'd be nicer to be able to read it all at once and easily compare. when the text scrolls offscreen it's harder to read + holding attention isn't super important since the onscreen stats are just captions for the spoken VO, yea?

Elevated Systems 7 aylar önce

Moving things hold attention longer than static things. TRvid 101.

samgao 3 aylar önce

damn so the battery life still... sucks...

平和 7 aylar önce

Can't do that on a "Pro" level Apple machine.

brightboxstudio 7 aylar önce

I do prefer the efficient performance of my Apple Silicon MacBook Pro - cooler, quieter, with better battery life and often faster than the laptops in this review - but…I am also totally rooting for Framework to succeed, because if the market makes Framework successful enough to show other companies that modularity is a competitive advantage, that could motivate Apple to make their products more user-serviceable. The right-to-repair movement has probably already been a factor in changes to Mac laptops. For example, in the current line, iFixIt noted that the MagSafe and Thunderbolt/USB ports, and the batteries, are significantly easier to remove and replace than before. The market could one day swing Apple around to create a modern reimagining of the Apple PowerBook G3, with its two module bays and a keyboard that could be removed in seconds for access to memory and storage…the pinnacle of easy access and modularity in Mac laptops, 22 years ago.

平和 7 aylar önce

@Elevated Systems Yeah, but their environmental footprint is probably industry leading as well...

Elevated Systems 7 aylar önce

Mainstream Apple customers don't care and Apple knows that. They just trade their old device in for a new device every few years. Apple resale and trade in values are the best in the industry.

Egbert Andrew 7 aylar önce

why their are no ryzen offerings

Elevated Systems 7 aylar önce

There are no new ryzen offerings anywhere, by any manufacturer. AMD's output of new 6000 series mobile processors is a fraction of what Intel is currently cranking out based on current in stock offerings.

jakidzunior 5 aylar önce

This is not financially viable

Toro Blanco 6 aylar önce

What language is he talking on? :(

Elevated Systems 6 aylar önce

I'm speaking English. If English is not your primary language you can set the captions to auto translate to a language of your choosing.

JordanVL1234 7 aylar önce

45th

RunForPeace 2020 7 aylar önce

For $800, you mind as well sell your old framework laptop and buy a new one. Pretty sure it’ll cost you less than $800 Exactly why upgradeable laptop is a stupid idea.

Carrie Bartkowiak 7 aylar önce

Upgradeable laptops are NOT a stupid idea. Considering upgrading your laptop a mere year after you purchased it is a stupid idea. No one does that. They hang onto them for 3-5 years and *then* upgrade. Which is exactly what this one is for...except you don't have to toss the entire thing and buy an entirely new laptop; you simply buy a new mainboard and save $400-500.

Goobfilm cast 7 aylar önce

Sorry but this is a gimmick.....simply not cost-effective. I think most buyers are just getting this for the fun factor

Goobfilm cast 7 aylar önce

2020: base M1 MacBook Air = $999 and faster than the base model 2022 Framework. 2024: base M3 MacBook Air = $1199 and faster than any competitor's pro-sumer Windows laptop Total for two Macs = $2200 ..... and the "old" M1 MBA remains a potent little machine Total for FrameWork and upgrades in 2024 = waaaaay more than $2200 and will never match Apple Silicon in performance regardless of cost..... BTW, FrameWork will be defunct by 2024...sorry

Kingfor 6 aylar önce

1) Where do you have the 2200 dollar ? The most expensier cpu is at 1200 and it's the hight tier one wich not many people would like to get ? The i5 500 and i7 mid range is at 900 2) Macbook are good laptops yes tho they don't use the same os or even the cpu (they are arm cpu) less yes. Macbooks dosn't have the same reparibility and you can't even ad more ram (good luck paying for 32 gigs for example)