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Film Theory: The Lorax Movie LIED To You!

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We all know what the moral to The Lorax is, right? Respect the environment and conservation. Well guess what, you're WRONG! At least, you are wrong if we are talking about the 2012 movie version of The Lorax. You see, that movie made some... interesting changes to the story we all know and love. Changes that kind of ruin that message. In fact, it almost turns it on it's head and says the opposite. Yet, the movie STILL claims to be about environmentalism. Get ready, I am about to expose all of the LIES of The Lorax movie!

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Oturan20
Oturan20 8 gün önce
@Why Ţ̴̡̥̟̙͕̱͖͍͖̫͓̜̿̽̂̔͠͠u̸̢̘͔̗̭̣̣̰̟̝̎̈́̆̀̅̊̉̚͝͝ͅm̶̥͓̩̩͚̹͚̬̩̦͘b̷̡̜̓͠l̶̤̬͙̺̝̻̲̹͙̞̂̎̀̈́͐̑̕͜͝͝ṟ̵̤̺͔͓̖̱̗͌̆̑̍̏̎́̈́͘͘͝
Beaner Jeffreys
Beaner Jeffreys Aylar önce
Not gonna lie, how bad can I be slaps
minty and adam
minty and adam 2 aylar önce
LMAOOOO TRUE
Lexie
Lexie 5 aylar önce
*Once-ler
cat bard
cat bard 5 aylar önce
@Why trust me DONT look it up
MadMan99
MadMan99 Yıl önce
The trees can’t be harmed if the Lorax is armed.
Anthony Obrien
Anthony Obrien 12 gün önce
MURICA.
Evan McFab
Evan McFab Aylar önce
Abraham Lincoln: Yo about to get a round-house to the face.
Belle Soares
Belle Soares 6 aylar önce
My favorite part from this movie was always the “let it die, let it die, let it shrivel you and die” the way Mr.Ohare just claps and taps his feet was so fucking funny
Anime Gacha
Anime Gacha 5 gün önce
My teacher said that is why he doesn’t burn down our school
Lost woods Expert
Lost woods Expert Aylar önce
@RKADE 14 🤣
Aria the axolotl
Aria the axolotl Aylar önce
Ya lol
Tawnia James
Tawnia James Aylar önce
Lol
RKADE 14
RKADE 14 Aylar önce
@Cottage Queen As messed up as that is, at least it was in private and with a friend.
HELLO
HELLO 2 aylar önce
Matt pat : "I'm sorry, but I can't fault a guy with a dream, that overcomes adversity to get tremendous success as the bad guy here" Also mattpat: "Remy is the villain of ratatouille"
NickTara
NickTara 12 gün önce
@Xxx_Jim_the_Reaper_xxX the difference between the two characters is that the Once-ler is a human and Remy is a literal rat
Xxx_Jim_the_Reaper_xxX
He's kinda hypocritical somehow.
Bad Radish
Bad Radish Aylar önce
got em
kadin thomas
kadin thomas 6 aylar önce
I think the difference between the consumer and the big business men is the disconnect. Most of the thneed buyers weren’t in the forest so they couldn’t see the consequences of their greed whereas the onceler can clearly see and is warned repeatedly that his actions are ruining the world.
willj78
willj78 2 aylar önce
I remember in my ethics class we were given a situation exactly like this where a local business was making a large profit yet discovered they were harming the local ecosystem. The main point of the lecture was that for corporate social responsibility every stakeholder, inside the company and outside, should see a positive result and the company has more than just a duty to be the most efficient it can be but to not harm anyone and not just rely on the knowledge problem to prevent losses and changes to operations.
Queen Namir Ivythorn
Queen Namir Ivythorn 2 aylar önce
I have complaint about the bottled water analogy whenever it’s brought up. Tap water is not safe to drink in so many places without having to buy either bottled water or plastic water filters
Miss Zerglot
Miss Zerglot 18 gün önce
@Grace Reads I'm ngl the chlorinated water that comes from taps in the UK is absolutely vile.
Leon Müller
Leon Müller 23 gün önce
@a ladybug on a leaf But that is to fit the analogy even better. In the movie air outside of the city is not safe to breathe, just like it is not safe to drink tap water if you are outside of the 15 richest nations.
Grace Reads
Grace Reads 24 gün önce
He means in places like the UK and USA where water is safe to drink from the tap. Some people don't drink tapped water when it's readily available bc they prefer the taste of bottled water which I guess would be okay if it wasn't free from a tap
a ladybug on a leaf
i mean no hate to him but still
a ladybug on a leaf
yes, it's a bit ignorant of MatPat to say that you can just turn on a tap, when in some places, thats not possible.
Mr. Friendship
Mr. Friendship Yıl önce
_"I am the Lorax and I speak for the trees. Save the Amazon, or I'll break your knees."_ *~ The Lorax*
Toby Shelton
Toby Shelton Aylar önce
This made me LOL🥹thanks,ok you are a stranger but I needed a laugh.
yve degracia
yve degracia 3 aylar önce
#LetTheEarthBreathe
MovieFan1912
MovieFan1912 8 aylar önce
Hahahahaha!
Maxime Daudelin
Maxime Daudelin 9 aylar önce
the tree cant
Bombdiggity Songs
I'm putting this on my cities environmental committees quite list so it can be on badges and t-shirts, thank you, you have officially made you're significant contribution to humanity and fulfilled your destiny
SUNDROP❤️
SUNDROP❤️ 6 aylar önce
And remember: The tree’s can’t be harmed if the Lorax is armed
THAT1KID WHOSWHOLESOME
Ok cool but tbh, another way the Onceler can bypass needing to cut down trees, is use some fancy sucking machine to pluck the fibers of the truffle trees more sustainably, so then Thneed production could both be both efficient, and won't ruin the environment as badly. If they can build this fancy Axe machine, they can build that.
1810Jeff
1810Jeff Aylar önce
I believe he was originally plucking them by hand and he didn't take all of the trees foliage only some of it until his mom said otherwise. But even then he would have benefitted from planting more specifically to harvest and he could have done some r&d into speeding up their growth using fertilization and improving their growing conditions.
Mr.J
Mr.J 3 aylar önce
Also, the world wouldn't actually "run out of air" like the movie suggests if we lost all of our trees considering the fact that most of earths air (70 percent) is actually created by phytoplankton and other micro organisms. Would it be much hotter without trees? Absolutely, an oxygenless wasteland however, not by any stretch of the imagination.
1810Jeff
1810Jeff Aylar önce
@Luca M Life would find a way, certain species of phytoplankton would adapt to these changes and fill the niche. Another flaw is that they act as if truffula trees are the only tree species but they can't possibly be the only one so another tree type would fill that niche. Sure no more thneeds but trees would continue to exist.
Jesus H. Christ
Jesus H. Christ Aylar önce
@Luca M Runaway greenhouse partially?
Luca M
Luca M Aylar önce
There are reasons to believe phytoplancton would also suffer from the absence of trees: less trees equals hotter climate, hitter climate means hotter water and hotter water means less solubility for gases which leads to less resources for microflora. It is all connected in rhe biosphere. I may not be giving this enough thought, being a 3 minutes comment, but still...
Choryllis
Choryllis Aylar önce
Man, a salute to MatPat for digging through the Tumblr Onceler fandom. That is a nightmare I wouldn't wish on an enemy.
Help_6677
Help_6677 5 aylar önce
O’Hair may have saved everyone but he still manipulated the whole town into thinking they NEED the bottled air, a way for him to get money.
ProfessorPrel
ProfessorPrel 15 gün önce
Matpat, I have a question? Did you see the movie? Because I did, and let me explain it The oncler was told by the lorax he could make the thneeds without cutting down the threes, and he did, but his family told him that didnt give them as big of a profit as they did if they cut them down. That is not on the consumer, that is totally on the producer I have another question. If Nestle charged more for their products, would that money go to the company, or to the starting familys in Afrika that works to gather the chocolate. If would go to the company. And if people protester by not buying it, making nestle shut down, Someone Else would just pay the, less instead And then we have ohare. We are told at the end that he directly charges people for the air. It was a reason that Line got removed from the film. He is simply brainwashing them into buying a product they dont need. This video has dangerous information, and you have to inform your audience that you are wrong. Dont ignore it, or you are no better than the villain of the movie
ASHH PLAYZ
ASHH PLAYZ 7 aylar önce
Matpat is literally saying that no one is a victim to O'Hare's smog when literally there is a glowing child, and i blame the parents for the destruction of the forest cuz the mom said to chop down trees and when the business started to collapse Once-lers' mother took all the money and left him in the barren wasteland, and yes the consumer is to blame for it a little bit cuz they encouraged to chop down trees.
Eliza Carrie
Eliza Carrie 6 aylar önce
I wonder if living in Theedville involves paying taxes? If O’Hare owns the city maybe the taxes are for paying that communal air
Althea Lee
Althea Lee Yıl önce
“It’s not evil, it’s just stupid” idk why but I love this line
FIRE PHOENIX 🔴
FIRE PHOENIX 🔴 23 gün önce
SOMEONE MAKE A TIMESTAMP!
Galaxy
Galaxy Aylar önce
Our lives in a nutshell
Galaxy
Galaxy Aylar önce
Yea really lol
Tawnia James
Tawnia James Aylar önce
@THE CREATIVE pEnCiL lol
Tawnia James
Tawnia James Aylar önce
@Kieran McGinley true
Admiral Kaede
Admiral Kaede Aylar önce
actually watching this made me think of something before his cutting down of the trees he was riding a wagon and the houses looked a bit medevil yes he had a fridge its odd but after the trees there's cars and modern stuff so he's a vampire that lives forever or tech went from medevil to modern in like 10 years
Kanti
Kanti 5 aylar önce
Spot on. Another way to look at it is, even if O'Hare, or the Once-ler, had a 'change of heart' and stopped selling their products once they saw the damage it was causing, that wouldn't eliminate the demand for it. Some other person, or company, would simply step up and start producing to fill that demand instead. Nothing would really change.
Devon Foster
Devon Foster 3 aylar önce
I've been watching alot of these videos lately, there great amazing content you got me hook on but I just wonder how hard it is for you to enjoy a movie like is it even possible for you too sit an not have film theory running in the back
Chris G
Chris G 6 aylar önce
1.) I thought that the onceler also came into everything being messed up, and that he just added to it. On the other Hand while ya what Ohare was doing wasn’t evil at first, except for the last part about not planting trees. I get that the consumer is in the wrong, but they all learn their lesson and switch to prioritizing nature, making not one or two people the bad guy, but everyone
Chris G
Chris G 6 aylar önce
I got that message from when I first saw the movie, but I didn’t consider teds shawty to only want one tree. On top of that, both O’Hare and Ted are included in the collective “us”. Instead of working to improve conditions, both looked to manipulate the desires of their people (on one hand air, on the other just a product that eliminates the need for other products). I feel both can’t be excluded from blame, (and the Lorax is that nigga.)
Ashia Smith
Ashia Smith Yıl önce
"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better, it's not." my favorite Dr. Seuss quote ever.
Potatoes are people
Potatoes are people 16 gün önce
Fun fact dr Seuss cheated on his wife with cancer
Danny
Danny 20 gün önce
Best part is that can apply to literally any issue.
Joshua
Joshua 2 aylar önce
Jesus Christ the good sovereign king who took away my years long nightly breathing battle instantly in an anointed prayer loves you
OfficerP
OfficerP 2 aylar önce
dr. sus
Jess MacGillivray
Jess MacGillivray 2 aylar önce
Today you are you that’s truer than True there is no one about that is youer than you!
kclops
kclops 4 aylar önce
You know, they should be on tv. Like it would be more intresting and educational than 90% of the tv shows
CityAtSea
CityAtSea 6 aylar önce
I mean the next line in the song how bad could I possibly be, the next line is "and the lawyers are denying" If the company is constantly telling you something is okay, you'll believe them.
Amsqweeze
Amsqweeze 7 aylar önce
what he said about the bottled air being stand in for bottled water reminded me that they really have monopolized water if you can't pay your water bill you don't get water and thats crazy
lukwisnie
lukwisnie 5 aylar önce
I'd say you're right about the consumers being at fault for demanding the products, but the corporations also have the choice to not give into that demand.
Dauriru
Dauriru 12 gün önce
@lukwisnie you do that and someone else will take your place, as long as theres people buying there will be coorportations providing
Michael Newton
Michael Newton Aylar önce
No. Any business that doesn’t sell a product that consumers want is one doomed to fail. Lemonade stands don’t open in the winter because they can’t sell enough in the winter to even equal the cost of the materials. Corporate businesses have more costs than lemonade, so the choice they have is to sell wanted things or go bankrupt, not whether or not it’s moral to sell the product.
lukwisnie
lukwisnie Aylar önce
@Luca M You’re right. That does sound bizarre. I just meant corporations technically have the choice to not give into consumer demand, even if they usually do not go for that choice.
Luca M
Luca M Aylar önce
You are asking a corporation to be more moral than consumers. Do you understand how bizarre that sounds?
Peter Ni
Peter Ni 2 aylar önce
I’m sorry what? A corporation what doesn’t want money? Not giving your consumer base what they want will make any business destined for failure.
Arvind Chhagan
Arvind Chhagan Yıl önce
Ted only wanted a tree to get his crush so it is sad to know that he did not really want trees. How could have I missed this.
cheesy gubbins
cheesy gubbins 4 aylar önce
i liked that ted wasnt in it for the tree itself and just wanted to make audrey happy but then realized that planting a tree is a whole ordeal in their universe and that plastic and junk sucks
Savannah Hague
Savannah Hague 4 aylar önce
It may not start with the right intentions but they changed later in the film
SSJGSS _951
SSJGSS _951 5 aylar önce
@Speed fee
avem
avem 6 aylar önce
see now THIS feels like the most important part. im glad his intentions gradually gained more depth but did he even actually empathize w his crush?
GTD
GTD 10 aylar önce
In the old concept of the movie it was mostly about human greed and pride that feeds it. In that version Ted wanted a tree for himself, because he was greedy and wanted the things he didn't have.
-Kakao- Katze
-Kakao- Katze 2 aylar önce
This video was surprisingly very down to Earth and accurate that I’m lost for any additional words on how Matpat is the one saying that the consumer responsible more than the companies.
Asdf Asdf
Asdf Asdf 4 aylar önce
Nostalgia critic hated this movie lol. His review is pretty good when talking about how it’s a crappy rendition of the original source
Winona Lieux
Winona Lieux 6 aylar önce
Besides the consumer “voting with my dollar,” there’s the big issue of actually voting to make changes to policy and public protection. Probably too complicated for the target audience.
Reese
Reese 4 aylar önce
My grade actually did a play recently on this movie for March Madness. Worked myself to the bone making props but it was probably the most fun school event in years even though we came in last place (the judges were all old and had no idea what it was apparently). The Once-ler is no longer the Once-ler, he is officially one of my classmates dancing around on stage in a suit. I can't see it any other way now lmao
Edwin Jackson
Edwin Jackson Yıl önce
I blame Lorax. He didn't tell Onceler about tree seeds or saplings until AFTER all the trees were gone.
Ituze 07
Ituze 07 Aylar önce
@+peppaiya+ lol I never said he was more responsible I think he should take blame for what happened as well
Exquisite_Tacoxx
Exquisite_Tacoxx 2 aylar önce
Wrong. In the movie, the Lorax didn't even have a chance to talk to The Once-ler, he was too busy selling. Plus, his family kept getting in the way. And finally, when he got a chance, it was already to late.
Tbh idk
Tbh idk 2 aylar önce
yeah this version of the lorax is really messed up, a huge hypocrite
•°]Alexis[°•
•°]Alexis[°• 2 aylar önce
I blame the onclers family and the lorax
Kaskue uchtake
Kaskue uchtake 12 gün önce
The fact about paper and wood companies placing so much trees made my jaw drop. Not because they do it but the sheer amount
Mr.Grinder For Real
Mr.Grinder For Real 6 aylar önce
This channel taught me that we need to fully understand someone before blaming them.
Snow Lily
Snow Lily 24 gün önce
Ayy! I’m so glad you made this video because I had this theory myself but I struggle with explaining my theories. :)
Anasia
Anasia 5 aylar önce
This really made me think about EA and it’s practices. Especially with the Sims. They keep releasing pack after pack that is broken and instead of not buying them, simmers just complain. Complaining might help a little but overall, simmers buying their products tells them that we are willing to buy packs that are broken.
NotAGoat
NotAGoat Yıl önce
Matpat: "No one is suffering from O'hare's corporate greed." Meanwhile: "Our son Wesley kinda glows"
HELLO
HELLO 2 aylar önce
@Somdude Willson 4:13
Somdude Willson
Somdude Willson 8 aylar önce
@NotAGoat It...doesn't though. The pollution issues are strongly implied to be the result of the _Onceler's_ business.
Maxime Daudelin
Maxime Daudelin 9 aylar önce
he eats to much glow sticks
puppet Squad shorts
puppet Squad shorts 4 aylar önce
Mat pat: no one has any health conditions bothering them That one kid that's green: am I a joke to you
Shota Aizawa
Shota Aizawa Aylar önce
he makes amazing points both for movie and reality we should keep this in mind i think it would be the best idea
Troll Troll
Troll Troll 4 aylar önce
Dang that intro was actually very good. I’m extremely impressed by the lyric ideas and rhyming
Louisa Yay
Louisa Yay 2 aylar önce
A new video idea “would these vehicles in films really be able to work?” Kinda hard since you don’t get to see inside them but it would be cool!
Mei Hatsume
Mei Hatsume Yıl önce
hot take: The real villain is the mom. The onceler just wanted to make his product, but he'd been so broken down by his mom constantly telling him that he was and would always be a failure, that finally getting validation from her blinded him to everything else, including the fact that she was a gold digger and wanted to cut down trees to make more money
Zenitsu Agatsuma
Zenitsu Agatsuma Aylar önce
@Sir Steam True
Rafhael
Rafhael 2 aylar önce
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BlueBerry Cotton Floss
bruh yh the movie made that obvious
Michael Daniel Espinoza
@Frost i get that, but the only problem with these types of business is that they stopped becoming businesses and if you think Abt it became governments, o heir took his business and made it pretty much the only business with maybe a few others under his control, same with the oncler, he made so many shneeds and everyone wanted one that he was pretty much the only business making him almost like s government cuz he could control the people, the problem isn't businesses it's when there's no other option, just think if there were 2 air companies instead of just o heirs and the other one had good morals that one would've come out on top and then more companies would've been made and the consumers would decide which ones they want to stay for business, if anything this shows that powerful government is currupt as it always is, ik China you can't just start any bud you need permission from the government of what your allowed to do, yes we have restrictions on the us but anyone can pretty much start any type of business, for example of you don't like Starbucks you can always go to another place for coffee or just make your own
Michael Daniel Espinoza
@Frost but he does realize, he just realized to late, he was starved of his mother's love and being loved in general that once he made s product that made everyone love him he kept making it with his mom manipulating, him to keep doing so, I'm not saying what he did was right but you have to understand where he's coming from, and like i said eventually he did realize what he had done and that's why he helped the kid out in the movie
Blitzen the random
Blitzen the random 2 aylar önce
Mat Pat just makes me feel like everything I’ve ever known is false
Felipe Chalfun
Felipe Chalfun 3 aylar önce
1:41 Wait, I missed it too? So after all these years the movie WASN'T a goldmine of memes?
Black White
Black White 6 aylar önce
I lowkey admire Ohair for taking a business initiative when his partner was coughing.... I mean its not right to capitalise on something like that but still he's business-minded.
Vincent Lovestedt
Vincent Lovestedt 3 aylar önce
keep up the good work matpat! :D
Cardboard Animations
I always thought the family was the villains because they force him to chop down the trees, and then when they run out, the mother is disappointed in him.
cheesy gubbins
cheesy gubbins 4 aylar önce
yeah they leave once he stops making something for them to profit off of and they hurry to chop down trees once he gives the ok. i also noticed that onceler doesnt chop down a single one, its always a machine or his family
LepantoRosary1571
LepantoRosary1571 6 aylar önce
@inugeek411 Simply harvesting the tufts would've still messed with the ecosystem, as the seeds in the tufts were destroyed rather than falling to the ground and growing new trees. Tuft-less trees wouldn't be able to provide shade for the ecosystem in the dirt, so any random seeds that dropped would've been more likely to wither. Maybe they should've just harvested every other tuft, or only part of each tuft? We also don't know if or how quickly tufts grow back.
Tester Wulf :3
Tester Wulf :3 6 aylar önce
@inugeek411 They movie actually talks about this and the family actively say they don't care as cutting the tree down is faster, why spend time going up and gathering the tufts when you can build a big machine to cut them down and sort the tuft and wood?
Little_ Dreamer177
@inugeek411 I'm just kind of watching this argument and you know what, it doesn't matter. You can't change the past so at least the people in the town are happy with the present that they now have even though a lot of unnecessary stuff had to happen. But it was a funny ddebate to observe 😂
inugeek411
inugeek411 Yıl önce
@Logan Burke yeah. Since, depending on the ladder, you'd need to maintain your balance in addition to trying to harvest tufts, which is dangerous.
Maya
Maya 8 gün önce
I like how he cut off the Onceler's quote and then said, "It's not," himself 😂
ForgottenFile_EXE.5
ForgottenFile_EXE.5 7 aylar önce
This actually hurts me personally because I have actually watch the movie 100 times I’ve counted it and I’ve loved it I’ve always wanted to touch a truffle a tree they look so fluffy
Boryslav W
Boryslav W 7 aylar önce
This is an awsome theory exept for the idea were you said that it was the customers fault that thneed production causing deforestation was exactly there fault. At most it was indirect because I don't recall a single time when we saw a consumer see that the thneed was only able to be made through cutting down truffela trees.
Sonia Rodriguez
Sonia Rodriguez Aylar önce
I think the difference when talking about bottled air and the Thnee's is the fact that you ARE able to choose if you want it, in real life there is so much companies that force us to buy they're products like food,houses,water,warmth. It's a lot harder to say no to something like that because it's holding your basic needs against you.
Gaytor
Gaytor Yıl önce
MatPat acknowledging the existence of Onceler x Evil Onceler is probably the most cursed thing Ive heard this week
AmbiMuff
AmbiMuff Yıl önce
Classic oncest
uni
uni Yıl önce
timestamp? I didnt catch where it was
Jesus is definitely not a religion
He's called greedler 😤😤
Beth
Beth Yıl önce
🤚🤣
Brothers Theory Productions
Fandom culture :)
Cady Elsharkawy
Cady Elsharkawy 6 aylar önce
It always annoyed me that they didn’t take some ruffles from the trees, they would grow back. Probably faster than real trees.
Trenton Doucette
Trenton Doucette 6 aylar önce
Considering that the water people swim in can make them glow probably not the best environment to try and take care of a tree in.
TimeyWimey
TimeyWimey 7 aylar önce
I'd argue the one thing that does make ohare seem like a villain is the fact that he forces people to stay within the walls (or at least that is what I remember him doing, havent watched the movie ina long time).
Yvonne
Yvonne 5 aylar önce
“A person is a person no matter how small “ my favorite line from dr suess books
christopher campbell
Matpat is like the king of making "The villain is right" theories.
hans the average flammenwerfer
so I am right?
christopher campbell
christopher campbell 2 aylar önce
@Dragoonaer V.nlzoro It's fine for others to try to prove the character is something else and give it labels, but in fiction, the character is defined by the creator just like every other fictional aspect of a story. Say for example if I create a human character and I call him a tree. You can clearly argue that it's not a tree, it's a human, but at its root (get it? root? you can laugh now.) it's a tree because I am the creator of this fictional character, and I gave him the title "Tree". You don't even have to believe it's a tree or call it a tree, but it is a tree.
Dragoonaer V.nlzoro
Dragoonaer V.nlzoro 2 aylar önce
@christopher campbell I'm being mean & bully 😡😤👊 for fun. Sorry, I promise I don't go past calling peps tools. I'll stop. Well, just because you created a character to be 1 way, it doesn't mean it's a factually that way. If the feats shown you're not that way, they prove the author wrong because feats are overall.
christopher campbell
christopher campbell 2 aylar önce
@Dragoonaer V.nlzoro I see what you mean, but I think we just have a misunderstanding. Mat just said they weren't villains, and you can believe what you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the writers created the Once Ler to be a villain. Also, why am I a dunce? I don't think you're a dunce; I thought we were friends ;(
Dragoonaer V.nlzoro
Dragoonaer V.nlzoro 2 aylar önce
@christopher campbell No lol, not even that's what Mat proved, dunce. He proved they aren't villains by the context of the film.
Alhamdulillah ٱلْحَمْدُ لِلَّٰهِ
I love how matpat plans an entire musical at the begging great vids even if you broke my childhood 😅
TrogTron
TrogTron 6 aylar önce
Film Theory: Explains that we're the problem. Companies talking about society: If they could listen and understand they would be very upset.
J Niphonium
J Niphonium 4 aylar önce
Mat, the once-ler couldn’t regrow the trees because of the stumps in the way and the roots of the stumps so it’ll be hard to plant new trees
diremirebee
diremirebee Aylar önce
Ah yes, blaming the consumer instead of the corporation. Exactly what every single CEO wants you to do.
sheila the artist
We just gonna ignore biggering? The best song in the album that doesn't acctualy appear in the movie because it hit illumination too close to home.
australian v1nce cuh
australian v1nce cuh 17 gün önce
@Captain Obvious Thanks Captain Obvious. (love those commercials)
Galagar Rocket
Galagar Rocket Aylar önce
What's wrong with biggering? More is better. Would you want to go buy something and it's sold out because the one and only producer decided not to make more but restrict supply to increase prices. Current gas prices in a nutshell. Produce more, price goes down.
Marla Bronk
Marla Bronk Aylar önce
And the fandom would be too strong if it was in the movie. Just imagen all the Teenager Girls hearing this song if it was in the movie.
WAApi
WAApi 3 aylar önce
That would gaves us an actual villian
Borach McTeague
Borach McTeague Aylar önce
I've watched this a number of times and it still makes my brain and conscious hurt!!!
Will Stroud
Will Stroud 6 aylar önce
A “little” nitpick but you said 80-90% of trees were planted by the paper and logging industry, and then immediately go on to say that 4,000,000 trees are planted per day and half of that by paper and wood. So my numbers are fuzzy on this, but how does 80-90% equal ~50%?
Hunter Wakeman
Hunter Wakeman 4 aylar önce
I don’t care what matpat says that is a great movie and I loved it!😭
Clown
Clown 4 aylar önce
Teachers: so the main idea of this story is not to cut down trees! Mat pat: how wrong can we possibly be?
Auline
Auline Yıl önce
It's so sad that the movie took on this more comedic, child-friendly tone. The book has a much better message and delivery. Also, the song they cut out of the movie (Biggering) is one of my favorite songs now.
Just Vv~"Valerie!"
Just Vv~"Valerie!" 2 aylar önce
Yeah
MrSlice2244
MrSlice2244 7 aylar önce
It’s because it’s made by illumination, they used to be a pretty good company until they realized that they could make lazy movies with terrible storyline and plot and still get lots of money for it since they’ve previously made a name for themselves in the movie world
Ryan
Ryan 8 aylar önce
@Sboink The Leg Day you should express yourself more respectful i think
Ema lee
Ema lee 9 aylar önce
Ya it shows how normal people can become corrupt better
Ferno Agent
Ferno Agent Aylar önce
when i Watched the movie i never though the onceler was a villain when i was young i could clearly see that he seemd to regret his actions
Demarcus Luna
Demarcus Luna 6 aylar önce
I swear man they give him evidence on a silver platter everything he says makes sense
Jonathan Trevatt
Jonathan Trevatt Aylar önce
Good video, except you missed in your calculation that the air in the bottles is actually compressed (as you see in the musical number).
Kayla Clarisse Cabilin
I'm just a random watcher and I must say, I would really really use this video to study an environmental science lesson about this film if I had one today because this actually makes a lot of sense.
Lankthy the unforgiving
It's funny that Matt Pat says that everyone in thneedvile is perfectly healthy even though we see in the opening minutes of the movie there are glowing children
LepantoRosary1571
LepantoRosary1571 6 aylar önce
@Onba It's implied that the kid contacted the radiation via water, which passes through air and clears impurities as rain, so there could still be a connection.
Jonathan LaRiviere
Jonathan LaRiviere 6 aylar önce
Perfectly healthy glowing children. ‘sthaproblem?
Onba
Onba 6 aylar önce
The glowing children thing is confusing because it implies radiation is involved but the story is about air quality. I can't blame Mat for ignoring it, it's not logical. It was probably just thrown in because the writers realized the people's lives were too good looking.
Billy_the_gamer
Billy_the_gamer 7 aylar önce
The only theory I would have on this is human adaptation/evolution although the biggest problem with this is both of these need more time to accrue than the time frame
Attikos Kaye
Attikos Kaye 2 aylar önce
But the thing you miss with paper/lumber companies and managed companies is the forests they replant aren't really forests, they do not support the biodiversity they did naturally, they are engineered to produce the most amount of wood, without other goals in mind like conserving biodiversity
Lauryn Rogers
Lauryn Rogers 2 aylar önce
That’s what I was confused about…why didn’t they just grow new trees as they sold them ?🤷‍♀️.. supply & demand
Scintillating Susie
Scintillating Susie 2 aylar önce
I think this movie still said the message. Like you said, the message was that we were the ones to cause the downfall of the trees. Just like us.
nonfunny101
nonfunny101 3 aylar önce
Matpat: Takes 2 hours to make lore and stuff Also Matpat: Takes 9 years to come up with rhymes
Rafael McGrath Fernando
Matpat: there is no coughing or choking or any side effects Glowing baby: am I a joke to you
Pickle Rick
Pickle Rick 27 gün önce
Hes not affected by it though other then the glowing. Its not like the radiation gave him 3 heads
Nevin Rosado
Nevin Rosado Aylar önce
Yea
Unknownt
Unknownt Aylar önce
its a cartoon, so anything is possible
Bork Master
Bork Master Aylar önce
@HELLO OMG that was actually really well explained and researched! How does this comment not have more likes?!
Jaw Spinner
Jaw Spinner Aylar önce
I feel like the reason why O’Hare didn’t want the seed planted is because he saw what happened before with the Once-Ler so he doesn’t want it to happen again
Isaiah Telfair
Isaiah Telfair Aylar önce
The intro is fire! I watched it more times than the full video.
Jess
Jess 5 aylar önce
Unfortunately while lumbar companies do replant trees they do it in a way that isn’t helpful to the environment. Just the logging companies, they don’t plant diverse trees. Just the same one in a line over and over again, this affects local wild life and populations. Nature doesn’t grow in a line.
That one guy
That one guy 5 aylar önce
My issue with this theory is that people may not have known how the thneeds were being supplied
Miserable Ghandi
Miserable Ghandi Yıl önce
I'm sorry but the Onceler having "mommy issues" makes so much sense
Power Bank Cinema
Power Bank Cinema 7 aylar önce
NOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
Power Bank Cinema
Power Bank Cinema 7 aylar önce
You're so sassy I know you took my fortnite card give me back my fortnite car
Dark Arts
Dark Arts Yıl önce
@Reactiontime6000 lol brooo
CYBERSE AI
CYBERSE AI Yıl önce
The true lesson of the story is: "everyone wants to park there cars in the shade but no one wants to plant a tree"
Rania Hatamleh
Rania Hatamleh 2 aylar önce
I agree that the real villains are the buyers but also the boss of O’Hara and the once led’s mom
Living Corpse
Living Corpse 4 aylar önce
I think it’s just the fact, we aren’t here to learn about the onceler we’re here to learn about his mistake 💀
Grimsby
Grimsby 21 gün önce
"In Order to make a film theory I'm going to ignore everything this movie is explicitly saying and say capitalism good actually" Honestly I shouldn't be surprised from someone who has been cynically milking FNAF for years
Joe Context
Joe Context 12 gün önce
I feel like the Lorax movie could be great in an alternate timeline and the cut song Biggering kinda proves this. Thneedville, a town so used to how awful the environment is that they happily sing opening numbers talking about their abysmal living conditions and think they're living in paradise is a genius addition that honestly could have added a whole other layer to the story. Also it's kinda ironic how in extending the story for an hour, at least half of the slow escalation of the original story is just rushed through in a single musical number
Alex Firefly
Alex Firefly 10 aylar önce
Dr. Seuss isn't just turning in his grave. He's rotating so quickly he's drilling a hole into the earths core!
ZF10 Studios
ZF10 Studios 21 gün önce
@Boss Baddie odd
Leon Müller
Leon Müller 23 gün önce
@Alex Firefly „In stark contrast to this video that is contradictory to everything his work stood for.“ How does this video contradict what his work stood for?
~*JoyLiit*~
~*JoyLiit*~ Aylar önce
Once he reaches the core, The Earth shall be no more. We will succumb to poetry, No man shall be over he. (Sorry, I know the comment is almost a year ago, but I had to)
EnglishAsh
EnglishAsh Aylar önce
@john Sementa the keyboard he’ll seize 😭
greenshambroc
greenshambroc 4 gün önce
I could maybe agree with this if the government didn't step in, when customers refuse to buy, larger companies ask the government for bail outs... and they get them
James Lockaby
James Lockaby 6 aylar önce
He’s got a fair point but saying that We are the problem because we are doing what they tell us to is like saying if not for the idea of thneeds the forest would still be alive
Vibes 89
Vibes 89 Aylar önce
I do stand by the original philosophy that in the actual book of The Lorax, there was no definitive villain.
Highground77
Highground77 3 aylar önce
You lost me when you blamed it on the consumer. That "You vote with your dollar" thing is bullshit, especially today when most of the production chains aren't transparent and 50% of the store is filled by Nestlé(And another 40% by Unilever, which is just as bad)
V293Li4uLiBGdW5ueQ==
The "Bottled air machines" are really just air purifiers. That's how the air got so clean there. Almost if not everyone has one. I thought really hard about this a while ago.
Fluttering chameleon
Fluttering chameleon 4 aylar önce
Where in the world did he get it?
Billy Bob
Billy Bob 4 aylar önce
That makes sense. The jugs are just a part that doesn't actually need to be replaced except by design. Like a pressurized bottle that the machine slowly leaks out and stops working when the pressure runs out or something.
PJOZeus
PJOZeus Yıl önce
O’hare isn’t clearing the air out of the goodness of his heart, it’s just people are buying enough to pseudo purify the neighbourhood
SunFlower
SunFlower Yıl önce
wait thats true
dick castle
dick castle 5 aylar önce
They didn't really miss the point... they just never cared about the point at all. It's a matter of time before some company starts selling bottled air
Jacquelyn Jones
Jacquelyn Jones 6 aylar önce
The premise of the story is there are no trees so there is no air exept air in bottles
Mr. McKinney's Automotive Center
You have a good point here. Consumer demand is what ultimately drives a business practices.
Nicoline Tjikongo
Nicoline Tjikongo Aylar önce
I've watched the lorax so many on rerun's I just watch cause of the songs(And if anyone reads this and thinks "How bad can it possibly be" watch it and you'll see why this video as valid accurate point)
Key Epic
Key Epic Yıl önce
So, who had ‘Matpat tries to revive the Onceler fandom’ on their 2020 bingo card?
Demon the king Jarrett
Me somehow
Esther Albert
Esther Albert 9 aylar önce
@TerraGolemEnjoyer morning How bad can you be
Esther Albert
Esther Albert 9 aylar önce
OK yeah
Esther Albert
Esther Albert 9 aylar önce
Wow ha ha Ha Haja
Esther Albert
Esther Albert 9 aylar önce
Happy Myrtle
Corbald
Corbald 5 aylar önce
Not arguing with the "Consumer was the real villain, all along!" conclusion, but I'm going to take exception with the other conclusion, that the corporates weren't. They just represent the collective desires of the group, but are not exclusive to them. Doing what everyone wants you to do, even if it's wrong, is still wrong. Furthermore, going something stupid is not an excuse with regards to ethical actions. It's still your responsibility to be educated enough in your business to prevent harm to people or environments. I'd also like to point out that you completely missed the point you _should_ have drawn, which was that the film is _saying_ one thing, but _showing_ another, intentionally. The "moral" of the story is not backed up by the reality of the film, as you pointed out. I believe this is an example of some subtle corporate propaganda. I can see the boardroom now: "Ok (almost exclusively) guys, this is what the movie is going to _say._ Now obviously we want the viewers to think _exactly the opposite,_ now what do we _show_ them?" "Ooh! I know! We'll make the villains sympathetic and show them a paradise! ...and if they argue that the Once-ler was acting in a non-sustainable way, we'll just say he's _stupid_ not _evil!"_
LetsPlayCrazy
LetsPlayCrazy 4 aylar önce
Before I watch this (and undoubtably get convinced by you, because no matter how ridicoulus a theory, you make it seem plausible!) let me say one thing: This is exactly the lesson the lorax wants to teach us (well more the original but... the thought counts): A bad person is not just evil incarnate. He justifies his own behaviour and beliefs by twisting and turning the facts, often unknowingly. Alright... with that out of the way... explain to me Matt: Why is the lorax evil? :D
XperimentorEES
XperimentorEES 6 aylar önce
The problem about fighting back against a corporatocracy is the unknown time limit, there's a shifting threshold depending on how many things it gets it's hands in, and at that point it'll become too big to fail. Mass denial of purchases won't matter anymore because the company (or conglomerate) is no longer reliant on the products that made them successful, and even if they were the extra sources of income would slow down their decline long enough to recover by changing their focus. In short, as long as they don't show too much or let it be known how corrupt they are, they'll eventually become too powerful to overthrow by conventional logic and means, and when that happens they'll effectively enslave the people.
Angel Aguilar
Angel Aguilar 6 aylar önce
Once we had a talk in a class where the teacher asked us to give our thoughts on plastic, and most of my classmates were like "grrr, plastic bad" and then our teacher went on to show statistics about how much pollution platic has avoided since its introduction to the market, and how the problem is mostly due to the overuse and the disposal of it, it's yet another example of the "it's not the product but the consumer" kind of troubles
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