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Film Theory: Joker Is The Hero of Gotham (Batman The Dark Knight)

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We've been talking a LOT about the Joker lately, but today we are shifting focus to a different version of our smiling bad guy. The Heath Ledger version of the Joker from Christopher Nolan's Batman movie, The Dark Knight. I rewatched it recently and started to wonder, have we misunderstood this story the whole time? Could the Joker actually be the HERO of Gotham City, not Batman? We shall see, Theorists!

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Joker
Joker 2 yıl önce
Petition to put Matt pat in the evil villain pub ⬇️
Zaid Al Khatib
Zaid Al Khatib Aylar önce
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The animation cat
The animation cat 2 aylar önce
Yes SIR!
ʜᴇʟʟᴏ
ʜᴇʟʟᴏ 3 aylar önce
Ok
Sahaib3005
Sahaib3005 4 aylar önce
trvid.com/video/video-wX2u_V1NIkI.html yep I totally agree lol
Wutaii1 Nostalgia
Dang this was a good look at this movie. I like the Joker more and more as time goes on.
The Emerald King
The Emerald King 7 gün önce
@Herb'n'Fizz OK well at first that was unreasonable dislike but now that this video is out, I can put the Safety back on
Rebekah Clayton
Rebekah Clayton 3 aylar önce
@A LLegendly his epic vs apple one is dead wrong & it’s extremely sus how epic sponsored his film theory channel & not his game theory channel, it all points to his epic vs apple video being another P.R stunt for Epic. There is more to information than this but I can’t be bothered at the moment
A LLegendly
A LLegendly 3 aylar önce
I frigging live for tearing apart videos just like this one, but this Matt Pat kid does such an excellent job diving so deep into movies we think we “know”, that I have an incredibly difficult time tearing apart any of his points. It’s so fucking aggravating. I’ve only been watching his videos for a few days now, and all I can do is nit pick so far, but I will not rest (yes I will) until I find one that is dead wrong and I can tear it apart like my 8yr old twins tearing apart a wrapped Christmas present on Dec 15th.
David Monaghan
David Monaghan 3 aylar önce
@bloodspittingspartan no it's what the character does in the movie. That's what the video is about I don't think I said the Joker is a true story.
bloodspittingspartan
bloodspittingspartan 3 aylar önce
@David Monaghan and you think fiction is real
nathan berlin
nathan berlin Yıl önce
either die a villian, or live long enough for matpat to make you a hero
Ravi Shoul
Ravi Shoul 28 gün önce
What is a matpat?
Sexy Shrekk
Sexy Shrekk 3 aylar önce
I thought joker was put in prison
Sahaib3005
Sahaib3005 4 aylar önce
trvid.com/video/video-wX2u_V1NIkI.html yep I totally agree lol
Paislee Sheppard
Paislee Sheppard 6 aylar önce
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baller
baller Yıl önce
I see Batman like that guy who wants to keep his job and just fix certain things slowly, while Joker is that guy who doesn't care about keeping his job he just wants to see the whole system revamped
Sayam Ganguly
Sayam Ganguly 2 aylar önce
true
npcwill
npcwill 2 aylar önce
They probably want the exact same things ! Just see different paths to achieve it !
David Monaghan
David Monaghan 3 aylar önce
And doesn't care who he murder's to get that.
Sahaib3005
Sahaib3005 4 aylar önce
trvid.com/video/video-wX2u_V1NIkI.html yep I totally agree lol
shady80
shady80 5 aylar önce
That’s not accurate at all though. Bruce wanted to stop being Batman but felt it was necessary
Varad Akolkar
Varad Akolkar 10 aylar önce
The best thing I like about the Joker is that he doesn't have supernatural powers and yet he is a supervillain.
Jay Dee
Jay Dee Aylar önce
@TheGodOfMushrooms same of Lex Luther
Jay Dee
Jay Dee Aylar önce
@TheGodOfMushrooms Joker doesn’t have super powers just his wits
TheGodOfMushrooms
TheGodOfMushrooms Aylar önce
@Jay Dee yes, the government is evil, but super villains have super powers
Jay Dee
Jay Dee Aylar önce
@TheGodOfMushrooms yes government and politicians.
TheGodOfMushrooms
TheGodOfMushrooms Aylar önce
Do you not know what a supervillain is 💀
Mr Bonesaw
Mr Bonesaw Yıl önce
I think you missed the most important part. The Ferries, i think that was the ultimate test for Joker to see if the city was worth saving. If either ferry blew up, it meant the people of Gotham had been corrupted and Joker would've probably given up and let Batman take him into custody with Harvey killing Gordon's family and effectively plunging the city into chaos. Joker let Batman know because the ferries reaffirmed the idea the city could be fixed. Like in Joker's "Everybody loses there minds" speech the idea is that Gotham should fundamentally realize the weight of every single life, from the gang bangers to soldiers. The message in the ferry scene is that the lives aboard are equal regardless if your a petty criminal or a scared civilian. The Joker's line about liking knifes because it allows the Joker to be more intimate with his victim then a gun, he understands the purpose and weight of every single murder he commits.
GamblerToGuru
GamblerToGuru 5 gün önce
@Madmortigen this sounds alot more like Joker. If anything he got rid of the mob because they were taking up too much of Batmans time and attention.
AbyssGnasher
AbyssGnasher 8 gün önce
no he was gonna blow them both up with his own device he had.
supermanfan
supermanfan 23 gün önce
Now that is deep
Abhinav Menon
Abhinav Menon 3 aylar önce
Joker is the soul of Gotham.
Roman Packham
Roman Packham 4 aylar önce
their*
Lord Corgi
Lord Corgi 9 aylar önce
"Most of the evil in this world is done by people with good intentions."
arrownoir
arrownoir 24 gün önce
I highly disagree.
Michael Miller
Michael Miller Aylar önce
@Ryan Alex just about to elude to that myself
Ray
Ray 3 aylar önce
Even with good intentions or not, ppl can still cause catastrophes and lead to more
Rebel Cybran
Rebel Cybran 4 aylar önce
Dr. Grant : With the best intentions? Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions.
Wandering swordsman
Wandering swordsman 6 aylar önce
@Salih Eygören true, but what is enough are good intentions and the will to uphold and go about those good intentions in the right way
IVEST OwO
IVEST OwO Yıl önce
Without villains, hero’s are just people. Villains are the reason a story exist, hero’s just solve the problem. I honestly think villains are the most important parts of any movie, and half the time they’re better then the hero. But in this case the hero and villain are the same people and I love it! Joker is the all-tagonist. He’s the pro and antagonist. It’s amazing
Malik Despanie
Malik Despanie 10 gün önce
Villains challenge the heroes we love to change themselves and others along the way. If the hero has no villain to defeat then why are they the hero? The audience isn't invested in the story because the hero isn't challenged in any way, is OP for no reason, and can't form connections with the audience. Make a villain all the things a bad protagonist isn't then they're the protagonist.
Eric Kennedy
Eric Kennedy 4 aylar önce
@IVEST OwO Ya that what wrong with the world today
Matthew Stahl
Matthew Stahl Yıl önce
I agree 😃
IVEST OwO
IVEST OwO Yıl önce
InSupportOfJunHado true. I just wish more movies would be about villains or just show more of a villains side of thing. That’s why I really enjoyed Venom and Megamind
InSupportOfJunHado
When you've got a long running time release with a long window between releases, it's easy for the villain to be more important than the hero. In a regular running serial, like the comic books it's based on not so much. In the comics Batman has to balance running his business, watching his kids and throwing boomerangs at criminals, with villains being more so another obstacle than the plot's driving force half the time, while in the movies its Batman, STARRING JACK NICKLESON!
Rancho chupacabraj
Rancho chupacabraj 9 aylar önce
“Some men just want to watch the world burn” isn’t a literal statement. The thief in Burma stole because he wanted to expose the greed and materialism of the people he stole from. He wanted to mock them and the lengths they would go to in order to catch him. The very act of burning the forest was yet another way in which he exposed their greed. His intention wasn’t to make them burn the forest, it was to expose their greed.
KaiChannel
KaiChannel 10 gün önce
And that is exactly what Joker did to the city as he said no one will panick if thehorrible events that are happening are by the plan
Louis Kirkwood
Louis Kirkwood 5 aylar önce
Is it similar to "a child who isn't embraced by its village will burn it down to feel its warmth" proverb?
Captain Morgan IV
"I'm like a dog chasing cars i wouldn't know what to do with one if i caught one" No you are a dog who places nails on the road to get the truck to crash into an electrical pole to lure the mailman out of his truck just so that you get an opportunity to chase him
nauticalCynosure [NC]
nauticalCynosure [NC] 4 aylar önce
@JockeyField give him a stern barking
Bonnie Fazman
Bonnie Fazman 5 aylar önce
@JockeyField Very true.
JockeyField
JockeyField 6 aylar önce
but what would he do if he actually caught the mailman? he wouldn't know what to do with him
⚔️Saffron Warrior ⚔️
Hahaha genius dog
Jasmine Jackson
Jasmine Jackson 9 aylar önce
Underrated comment
Gabriel Jordan
Gabriel Jordan 2 yıl önce
Also keep in mind the Joker could have blown up that hospital when everyone was still inside it but instead gave everyone a chance to get out first.
mike bar
mike bar Gün önce
Well riddle me that Batman
pikachick
pikachick 12 gün önce
Not really, yea he wanted everyone out but thats only so he could have “alone time” with Harvey Dent to turn him into the Two Face he was talking about to batman when he got captured in the building
The Dog Productions
The Dog Productions 18 gün önce
@Gabriel Jordan because he was waiting for the people in one of the ships to blow the other one up. It was a sick twisted experiment
The Dog Productions
The Dog Productions 18 gün önce
He said WITHIN THE NEXT HOUR if Reese isn't dead ill blow up a hospital. The hour came and luckily everyone was evacuated just in time. He would have blown up the hospital regardless of who was inside.
Robert Smith
Robert Smith 19 gün önce
He wants chaos not mindless death
HeyItzCloud
HeyItzCloud Yıl önce
Heath Ledger's Joker is everyone's favourite joker. The way he outsmarts batman and the rest of gotham is just one of the 100's of reasons I love this joker.
Nathan Roberge
Nathan Roberge Yıl önce
Now that scene where Batman catches the Joker and the Joker is upside down but the camera pans around to put him right side up makes a lot more sense. As if to say that Batman was really the one who was upside down
Kaipakta
Kaipakta Yıl önce
"Do I look like a guy with a plan?" As he's holding the hammer of the revolver in case Dent decides it's murder time.
SmoothG Snow
SmoothG Snow 5 aylar önce
It was revealed behind the scenes that that was an unintentional accident that happened on the spot, and they didn’t catch it before release.
Stephen Hartford
Stephen Hartford Yıl önce
Really makes you wonder if Joker was a military veteran who went crazy, knew about Gotham’s corruption, and set out to destroy it?
Jonathan Marshall
Jonathan Marshall 5 aylar önce
Like Punisher
fat fat
fat fat 6 aylar önce
Theres a good reddit theory that Joker is actually a former league of shadows member.
Max-Blast
Max-Blast 7 aylar önce
It is implied when he poses as a soldier in one scene. It's been too long for me to remember the exact context.
Szymon Michalski
Szymon Michalski Yıl önce
The joker specifically says "I'm only burning my half" not all of the money.
Nero Wynn
Nero Wynn 11 aylar önce
Joker's half was on the bottom 😂
Levente Bárdossy
@SnakeVenom 49 I'm sure Joker can make anyone give it to him. Also, Lau only said HE was going to Hong Kong, and the cash is HIDDEN. A truckload of cash would have been hard to take out of Gotham by plane, but if the only person who knows where it is is out of reach, it might as well be hidden in Gotham, it won't be found.
SnakeVenom 49
SnakeVenom 49 Yıl önce
@Jakub 83 I might be missing something but how did the Joker get his hands on the money? Wasn't the money in China?
Jakub 83
Jakub 83 Yıl önce
That’s the joke. Only half of the pile is covered in gas and burned, but the fire spreads to the other half
William Jones
William Jones Yıl önce
I like the fact that dogs are the opening example of escalation by the bad guys and later on the joker describes himself as a dog
Lee Johnstone
Lee Johnstone 11 aylar önce
The Joker: you know what I notice? Nobody panics when everything goes to plan! Even if the plan is horrifying
Raphael Guerra
Raphael Guerra Yıl önce
I really loved this theory, but what about the scene when the Joker almost blowed up both boats after they refused to sacrifice the other?
Adam Field
Adam Field Yıl önce
If MatPat was The Joker’s defense lawyers Joker probably wouldn’t have had a life sentence lol
Hyperbolic
Hyperbolic 5 aylar önce
LegalEagle did do a review to see how long both Joker and Batman would be put into prison and said that Joker would be given 300 years while Batman would be given millions of years (because of the fact that Batman illegally hacked into every single person in Gotham’s electronics and went into another country and kidnapped a high official citizen)
Paislee Sheppard
Paislee Sheppard 6 aylar önce
Mens Rea vs Actus Reus. If we judged everything based on Mens Rea, gaslighters would cut people down with their "good intentions". My bad, I mean: more so than they already do.
Austin Walker
Austin Walker 7 aylar önce
He still would
nobody here
nobody here 7 aylar önce
Reply
Callender Man
Callender Man 8 aylar önce
@D i o Brando Manfred von Karma would refund the mafia just to show that the Joker's plan "didn't work"
Crescent_Midnight
Crescent_Midnight 5 aylar önce
The whole ‘agent of chaos’ thing could be the joker making the metaphors that there has to be a bit of chaos before there can be order, it creates a balance.
sanjay krishna
sanjay krishna Yıl önce
The more time passes the more I seem to love this trilogy and more we discover about it Goes to show how much thought was put into it and the masterpiece it was
Charlie Del Bosque
Charlie Del Bosque 11 aylar önce
Makes sense since he told Batman the wrong address to make sure Harvey was saved and not Rachel !!
Nick Cornu
Nick Cornu Yıl önce
This movie has to be watched keeping in mind the most important quote of the first one: “it’s what you do that defines you!”.
Honest Heart
Honest Heart Yıl önce
This video forces you to reanalyze What a villain actually looks like versus someone who is perceived to be a Villain. Thank you Matt Pat this video Was a straight arrow.
Andy Hamlin
Andy Hamlin 5 aylar önce
I have always loved the character of the Joker, and I love this video and theory! An awesome breakdown of those 2 Batman movies. Love the channel Mat Pat
TheDirtyRoom _
TheDirtyRoom _ Yıl önce
No, I’m sorry I love your videos Mat Pat but this just isn’t right. Yes you are correct In saying that Batman is not Gothams best hero, Harvey Dent is Gotham’s true hero. The Joker mind you was trying to ruin Gotham’s spirit, He wanted to prove that Gotham was evil and that anyone could be as crazy as he was with a little push. He never had any intention to save Gotham in fact his plan would actually destroy Gotham. He would have proved that the violent anarchist was right and destroyed the image of Gotham’s Hero (Harvey Dent) undoing everything thing Harvey had done. But he didn’t, He was wrong and he always has been, The passengers did not choose to blow up the other boat because there is still good in Gotham it’s not evil like the Joker thought. Batman did not let the Joker win either he took the blame for the murder of Harvey and the people he killed to preserve the image of Gotham’s true Hero so that Gotham would not go back to the way it once was. The Joker did not save Gotham, Batman did not save Gotham, Harvey dent represents the good that is still lives in the heart of Gotham, Gotham saved itself.
Rose 2x
Rose 2x 4 aylar önce
Seems like most people forgot dat this was real reason joker did what he did but I’m glad you got it right
maxime van win
maxime van win Yıl önce
this man is the type of guy to convince me that my mom is my dad
Lens Nomad
Lens Nomad 2 yıl önce
The scene that Joker was clapping after hearing that Gordon is the new commissioner makes more sense now
İbrahim Bilgingulluoglu
@Wallwalk Cpt underrated
The Lord of luncheon
The Lord of luncheon 8 aylar önce
(Gordon Ramsay clip saying "finally, some good f##king good")
Namae Trash
Namae Trash 9 aylar önce
Holly Gawww
Isha
Isha Yıl önce
@skylar mccloud yeah that was improv too.
Isha
Isha Yıl önce
Ledger improvised clapping as it was not in the script for him to clap. But the director allowed it.
Beas Biswas
Beas Biswas Yıl önce
A perfect example of the fact that sometimes, even evil can be good. Which raises the question, can good be evil? Well done Christopher Nolan and whoever the person is in the video, this is my first time seeing your content, but I will follow your content because I may have found a similar thinking person here.
John Loughner
John Loughner Yıl önce
That is perfect because the version of this joker seems to be an ex special forces soldier. So if he is an ex special forces soldier he would probably hate corruption, but also knows collateral damage happens in war, and war can be the only way to stop corruption.
Joe Kerr
Joe Kerr Yıl önce
A VERY interesting theory. While I'm not quite sure I'd agree with him being a hero, or in any way altruistic, I DO believe the Joker to be an Idealist. One that believes the world (Gotham especially) to be a rotten cesspole of corruption and despicable human behavior. I could go on forever about the why's of this, but deep down, he WISHES that there was SOMETHING good in the world. (Batman is a combined expression of this, combined with his NEED for Batman to go bad, so that he himself can feel better about his own badness, by being able to say ANYONE would go bad given the right situation. Essentially, he's preforming the Stanford Prison Experiment, but on a MUCH larger scale.) It's funny tho... On the surface, it looks like he doesn't care about his victims...but that's not true! In the comics, there is one memorable bit where his victims go to see a shrink --they actually are terrifyed of healing from their wounds, in fear he might come back and do worse--, and the shrink tries to convince them that the Joker doesn't care. The end point of that story, however, is that he DO care... He shows up victimizing the shrink, in fact. Using his deepest, darkest fears. And he ALWAYS uses the deepest, darkest fears of every victim he crosses path with. (To the degree you can wonder if he hasn't studied every single person in Gotham sometimes. lol) I'm not saying he cares about them in a loving-caring kind of way, mind you. But he DO care that they remember him. Forever. I can't say if his actions save gotham by intention or by accident, but he is certantly intending on uncovering Corruption and show the people in it their own, horrible faces. Want to know the sad thing? It's not even just Gotham. It's HUMANS. ALL Humans. And the worst part....is that he's RIGHT.
vallov
vallov Yıl önce
“You can’t see yourself as a villain when you think you’re the hero” goes great with the quote from the movie "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." Always reminds me of that one song - Only the good die young.
Maniak15
Maniak15 2 yıl önce
"Out of chaos comes order"- Nietzsche "I'm an agent of chaos"- Joker Well played sir
Ad3l
Ad3l 3 aylar önce
@darklord884 yes he did, look looking at Germany right now and the nato and UN are thing because of him
Bonnie Fazman
Bonnie Fazman 5 aylar önce
Batman: I have a high intelligence. Joker: Hold my woopie cushion.
Tomorrowsyoutube
Tomorrowsyoutube 9 aylar önce
Where’s Jordan Peterson to commentate on this ?
Amin Hamiti
Amin Hamiti 9 aylar önce
Atheism is like gambling when you die and found that God exist what your reaction would be
darklord884
darklord884 Yıl önce
@brick tea Your point being?
X X
X X Yıl önce
You either die a villain or live long enough to see yourself become the hero.
Salih Eygören
Salih Eygören 9 aylar önce
Zuko ?
A.J. Ellis
A.J. Ellis Yıl önce
After watching this film probably 100 times of more! I've never watched it outside the box with your very interesting theories. Great video as always. Take care pal!
John free Punk
John free Punk 19 gün önce
“How about I cut you up into little pieces and feed you to your pooches. Then we’ll see how loyal a hungry dog really is” This one quote can perfectly describe the message Joker was trying to convey upon Gotham through the whole movie.
For the Republic!!!
For the Republic!!! 8 aylar önce
This is why The Dark Knight is SOO good. So much of it, whether you look at it deeply or simply from the surface level is open to your interpretation. It can represent a range of stories and narratives.
Austin Fullerton
Austin Fullerton Yıl önce
“You can’t see yourself as a villain when you think you’re the hero”👏🏽
Akish
Akish 9 aylar önce
@State of Opportunity true
What am I talking about
To be fair, Batman says he doesn’t see himself as a hero
Michael Gillespie
Michael Gillespie 10 aylar önce
In my mind, the key to being self aware, and open to new ideas, is to always keep in mind you could be wrong, and aren't the 'hero'. I always keep myself aware that I very much could eh wrong, or that it's just MY beliefs. Morals are subjective, I'm right and wrong are subjective, I just do my best based on my own view point. My own moral compass and beliefs, aren't any more just or valid than anyone elses, so the best I can do is follow my own beliefs and morals, while accepting that they could be wrong.
MrZerk815
MrZerk815 10 aylar önce
Everyone is the hero of their own story.
Jellycop, stealer of fridges.
"WHERE ARE THEY!?"
Nick Gates
Nick Gates 2 aylar önce
13 years, 50 rewatches, and dozens of analysis videos later im still finding new ways to think about this movie
LogeyPerogi
LogeyPerogi Yıl önce
I will say Joaquin Phoenix did an amazing job as the Joker, but overall that wasn’t the Joker we know and love, Heath Ledger did the greatest job as the Clown Prince of Crime I must also say that Joker may have saved Gotham but it felt unintentional, after all he was still gonna blow up the boats near the end, so it becomes pretty clear that he wasn’t trying to save Gotham, but rather he was trying to break city’s soul, and he just so happened to save Gotham after Batman stops Two Face
Michael O'Neill
Michael O'Neill 4 aylar önce
The Dark Knight got me thinking about how values alone shouldn’t define people. I noticed that The Joker achieved things that I strive for. He let go of vices, lives in the moment and doesn’t expect a reward. However, he twisted those values into something horrifying. ‬
G Taipan
G Taipan Yıl önce
I wanted to say thank you for making this video, so many fair answers that helped me understand. Great understanding guys!
Music Sucks
Music Sucks 2 yıl önce
Alfred: some men just wanna watch the world burn Also Alfred: we burned the forest down
Marvin Brown
Marvin Brown 6 aylar önce
LoL!
lachlan crimmings
lachlan crimmings 8 aylar önce
@Lodatz still very confused, what specfically am I lying about?
Lodatz
Lodatz 9 aylar önce
@lachlan crimmings you're still lying, dude.
lachlan crimmings
lachlan crimmings 9 aylar önce
@Lodatz and still quiet dude
Lodatz
Lodatz 9 aylar önce
@lachlan crimmings why would I need to say anything more considering I posted last and you still haven't addressed the point? Lol shut up 😄
John Artchie Rivera
John Artchie Rivera 8 aylar önce
Just rewatched this. The more you rewatch the movie the more you understand that everything that is happening on this movie is on The Joker's hands
JO J
JO J 9 aylar önce
I really like this theory. Seeing The Dark Knight in a new light
AL X
AL X 7 aylar önce
If Heath Ledger survived, not only he would've been in "The Dark Knight Rises" but the theory of him being a the real hero of Gotham probably would've been explored.
Layne Urquhart
Layne Urquhart 10 aylar önce
Oh man! best theory yet! So many reasons to love the joker
Ben Knight
Ben Knight 2 yıl önce
Joker: *Kills thousands of people” Mat pat: Carefully he’s a hero
Ender Warlord
Ender Warlord 10 gün önce
@Aryan Cause doesn't justify means.
Clown prince of crime
Joker only killed the bad guys. Any deaths of innocents are just collateral damage.
B T
B T 5 aylar önce
@Aryan Have you tried the not killing anyone route?
Doug Devious
Doug Devious 9 aylar önce
He killed like 35
Brayden Ridings
Brayden Ridings 9 aylar önce
you can't save everyone
Drew Peacock's Mustang
When your role as the villain in the movie is so good they talk about you more than the protagonist
Vitina Morabito
Vitina Morabito Yıl önce
I gotta admit, this theory is very convincing because it explains the story from Alfred that I always thought so odd.
ALL THINGS TO ALL MEN
Hands down one of the greatest movies ever made
Niklas Evensen
Niklas Evensen 8 aylar önce
This must be my favourite film theory episode ever. Love the joker in the dark knight trlogy. RIP Heath Ledger🖤
Jakob Bredell
Jakob Bredell Yıl önce
Think of Joker as Gotham’s fever. When you’re sick your body “torments” you with symptoms to expel sickness. Joker tormented Gotham to expel crime
John Valkenberg
John Valkenberg 6 aylar önce
assuming the joker means to expel crime. the joker says that gothem needs a new class of criminal, he doesnt say it needs no criminals at all
Synesthesiac
Synesthesiac 8 aylar önce
This exactly! Or radiation to rid the city of cancer.
Tonu Ahmed
Tonu Ahmed 8 aylar önce
The No mans land in TDKR was infection came from outside of gotham...
S Z
S Z 10 aylar önce
actually I wanted to say a similar thing, but not because of being agree with this theory! Gotham never got cured! maybe the mafia was gone, maybe there was a one face hero, maybe there was no money left for big crimes... but what just happened in (dark knight rises)!? criminals got free, the fake heroism of Dent revealed & a new criminal with real anarchism was in town! I don't call it a cure!
Isamu
Isamu Yıl önce
@surendra ghimire the jocker said the people's moral was a bad joke.. that they would stop behaving as civilized people as soon as they get into trouble. It would make sense to have the detonator of their own boats. That will make them pay for their bahavior, teaching everybody a lesson and proving his point.
Isaac Henderson
Isaac Henderson Yıl önce
Amazing theory and I agree with most of it, but I think there's something that you may have overlooked... You say Joker bankrupted the mafia, except he explicitly explains that he only burnt his half. Joker definitely thought he was the good guy, the mafia definitely crumbled at the end of the movie, Joker definitely succeeded in destroying "The" Batman, but he didn't burn the mafia's money... MatPat. But, to make it up, I've got a Game Theory for you?
ניק פטייב
ניק פטייב 8 aylar önce
Wow, missed having a truly great theory that is also happens to be for a movie I've watched countless times so I can really analyze it. And sir, this one is really good. I know I'm late but he'll, it was so good.
Jackson Lang
Jackson Lang 9 aylar önce
Matt pat: this is someone who makes and flawlessly executes very elaborate, very sophisticated plans Joker: do I really look like a guy with a plan?
Lord Darkness
Lord Darkness 11 aylar önce
“You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain” I now know what they meant
KingOfCatfish707
KingOfCatfish707 2 yıl önce
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." This really brings a new twist to that quote.
Wily Wyvern
Wily Wyvern Yıl önce
"This town deserves a better class of criminal."-Joker
Christus Regnet
Christus Regnet 2 yıl önce
@Evelyn Hmmm... To add some irony, Churchill was sort of a villain. Or at least a reprehensible person in almost every way, but became quite the hero.
Christus Regnet
Christus Regnet 2 yıl önce
I really hate that quote. People quote this, and lines from other Hollywood movies as if they're some sort of profound wisdom. The line is nonsense anyway. Usually one dies, and then is named a hero, but even if they're named a hero in life, they don't become a villain by order of living longer.
KaijuStudiosG2K
KaijuStudiosG2K 2 yıl önce
It's scary how relevant that line is
Asocial Senpai
Asocial Senpai 2 yıl önce
r/Iamfourteenandthisisdeep
Gerry Mathew
Gerry Mathew 9 aylar önce
Such an intense movie! Soo hard to believe that its a superhero movie! You truly constructed a superhero masterpiece, Nolan! 👏
What am I talking about
”You die a hero or live long enough to become the villain” sums up Batman’s retirement.
eschelar
eschelar 9 aylar önce
The ferry prisoner's dilemma is also a demonstration that there *is* good in Gotham. It's a powerful note that breaks the story of Ras al Ghul.
JRomé
JRomé 3 aylar önce
The 🃏 has been my favorite character for a very long time. Whenever someone asked me, “who my favorite superhero is?” I always respond with “The Joker” and I was always looked at funny and stuff.
CB-99
CB-99 4 aylar önce
I feel like we can agree we've rewatched the dark knight for heath ledger's joker, he feels like he should have been the main character and that's why we got JOKER I think
TopHatten
TopHatten Yıl önce
Considering the rumours of the Joker coming back in the 3rd movie, it's kinda interesting trying to think if this theory would still be valid
Eamon Moore
Eamon Moore Yıl önce
The whole monologue on "if a military vehicle blows up, nobody panics." That's what makes me buy this theory. All those tragic events of war are considered necessary and so they are accepted, the ends justify the means. If that is how he understands it, his means are the acts he commits in this movie and the ends are an uncorrupted Gotham. Machiavellian.
David Rhodes
David Rhodes Yıl önce
OMG! I've always liked the Joker, but you have just BLOWN MY MIND and made me like him even more!!!
That One Chat Guy
That One Chat Guy 2 yıl önce
One thing you should mention: The Joker also never revealed his intentions because he didn’t want people to follow his example.
Vlad A
Vlad A 2 yıl önce
There is a second joker in that film ^^ his brother
Am_Connor
Am_Connor 2 yıl önce
The commentator, i dont think anyone has mentioned the fact that joker even kills his own allies in the first scene of the movie. He kills criminals
BBBHuey
BBBHuey 2 yıl önce
And also to just f*** with them.
nowherefool
nowherefool 9 aylar önce
"it's the men who think they're protecting justice, who winds up burning the forest down" "you can't see youself the villain, if you think yourself the hero" -matpat profound quips. really sad heath died, now we can only imagine what the third installment of nolan's series would have been if only he had lived.
John Strickland
John Strickland 5 aylar önce
So I loved this, MatPat, once again the video quality is top tier. That being said I have to point out a flaw in this, a minor flaw but a flaw. Joker only burns his half of the money. I realize this is a year old video but maybe by a stroke of luck you will see this comment.
David Birkenmayer
David Birkenmayer 11 aylar önce
This is clearly right. The brilliancy of this entire Film is that it makes the Joker look evil and insane for most of it's duration - trapping the viewer to come to the "wrong" conclusion in the end (I certanly fell for it, as I first watched the movie). In actually, all of the main characters (Batman, Bruce Wayne, Harvey Dent, Gordon, Joker) all want to make the City a better place - everyone in a different way. The real enemies are of structural nature: The gap between rich and poor and the corruption. I think it's hard to say if the actions of the Joker were nessecary - we never get to see a timeline in which no Joker exists. It is though to assume that the actions of the other players were just simply not enough - as one year after the events of the first movie the mafia was still going strong. The story told isastounding - as is the action, pacing and music. Masterpiece by Nolan for sure.
What?
What? Yıl önce
"Desperate times call for desperate measures" is basically Joker in a nutshell.
Androo
Androo 2 yıl önce
To sum this up: "Just because you are bad guy, does not mean you are Bad Guy."
David Reynold
David Reynold Yıl önce
That's insulting to the bad guys they're really offended
miya
miya Yıl önce
@random numbers 783 finaly normal fish talk
Crethe
Crethe Yıl önce
unknowning unknown I think that he wasn’t really going to do that and only said that to give Batman more incentive
daleep pannu
daleep pannu Yıl önce
Club 30's its a old meme but it checks out
JJCrazyBlond Girl
@random numbers 783 yep that's for sure
Space Axolotl
Space Axolotl 2 aylar önce
The dark night is one of my all time favorite movies, it's is so well written and Heath Ledger's acting is fanomanol
Sarim Hamid
Sarim Hamid 9 aylar önce
"So is the Joker good?" Matpat: Yes'nt
Tahisha Arvo
Tahisha Arvo 9 aylar önce
didn't you forget something in the Joker's thought process? remember the boats? he was manipulating the prisoners against the people and in doing so, by his own admission, trying to create chaos to tear the city apart.. that didn't sound like he was trying to save anything.. but anyone can speculate with a theory, as you said
Commander Critic
Commander Critic 11 aylar önce
Good theory, and I could definitely buy into it.... BUT, I do have one issue. When Alfred says “Some men, just wanna watch the world burn,” with regards to the bandit, he isn’t talking about LITERALLY burning the world down, but rather the chaos that ensues. It’s like when you antagonise someone, you do it to get a reaction, the bandit stole the stones, and just threw them away, all to incite a reaction out of the British. Now you can say he was doing it just for kicks, but after listening to your theory, it makes me wonder, what if the Bandit in Alfred’s story, had a plan like Joker did, and that plan was to expose the British and their brutality to the local leaders, so they’d be less inclined to accept brides from them in the future? (FYI, I’m British so yes, I’m fully aware I’m s***ing on myself here as well) That, is what I believe Alfred is getting at, people like the Joker and that Burma Bandit, do what they do, to get a reaction from others.... God now I sound like that damm psychiatrist from Arkham, Hugo Strange, trying to unravel the mind of the Joker (shivers) okay that’s a bag of cats I do NOT need opened.
VampRune
VampRune 2 yıl önce
"In my years of fighting crime l learned one thing. Every villain is a hero in their own story..." - Bruce Wayne in Injustice 2
Heidi
Heidi Yıl önce
Dead!..you heard the news that your dead
Wily Wyvern
Wily Wyvern Yıl önce
👌
Sym .1
Sym .1 2 yıl önce
I think they should have had more joker in it tho
Noname
Noname 2 yıl önce
Instead of wasting his time and resources being Batman he could have literally just helped Gotham pay for hundreds of more cops in the city lmao.
Bryan Tamon
Bryan Tamon 2 yıl önce
@the Riddler Im Smokey and youre the god damned Bandit.
Colson Alford
Colson Alford 7 aylar önce
This is insane but it makes a ton of sense at the same time. Keep on doing what your doing.
Thecando
Thecando 2 aylar önce
Wow, this was very well thought out! Good video.
Grimm
Grimm 2 aylar önce
After watching this i love the dark knight even more! And especially the joker!!
JLaskles
JLaskles Yıl önce
Some good points at the end regarding Alfreds story and the 3 fighting for justice all being flawed. What about Jokers intent to blow up the ships? Which he was about to do? Additionally he could have continued to run organised crime from Arkham as he said to the Russian and gambits men they now work for him so maybe he wasn't ending anything he was just changing leadership. Joker is more warlord than hero. Noone schemed more than him. Rack it up, rack it up!!
KingMeteorStudios
KingMeteorStudios 2 yıl önce
This reminds me of a African proverb I read about once: "Until lions have their own historians, the hunter will always be the hero of the story"
Jacob L
Jacob L 7 aylar önce
@Jakub Rejak I mean that's one of the few things I'm excited for, I hope you're right. If it's technically meat (as opposed to plant-based nonsense that tastes meat-ish) then that would be a massive help and could hopefully keep us from all becoming soy warriors. i hope you're right buddy
Jakub Rejak
Jakub Rejak 7 aylar önce
@Jacob L I think lab-grown meat will render factory farming obsolete. We'll have to wait for it to fully happen, but it'll be worth it.
Jacob L
Jacob L 7 aylar önce
@Jakub Rejak That last part is a good point, I think if they had the ability to, they would just respect how efficiently and consistently we harvest food (and plants I guess. We're so ballin out of control that we grow food for our food. That's some kinda weird primordial flex : p . It's wrong that we do factory farming, mainly because of the disgust mechanism that triggers when we encounter it, and mainly to assuage our ego, myself included. If we didn't feel the way we do when we see a chicken in a little box or whatever where it can't move, I dunno how much of an argument there would be against it but I digress lol
darius
darius 8 aylar önce
Thats so hard brs
Jakub Rejak
Jakub Rejak 11 aylar önce
@Thrifty Freebies And then there would be some works by animals saved by humans and/or protected by them. Realistically, if the animals were sentient, there would be an ongoing debate between them whether to destroy us or help us improve. That is, if they were able to gather themselves in a large number without eating each other immediately.
Azathoth the Primal Chaos
He's the hero we deserve, but not the one we need.
just_will
just_will Yıl önce
“The world has been watching this movie completely backwards” Me- that’s upside down matpat
Matt Matzinger
Matt Matzinger 8 aylar önce
@Cory Myers well yes and no
Matt Matzinger
Matt Matzinger 8 aylar önce
@Cory Myers that’s mirrored not backwards
Cory Myers
Cory Myers 9 aylar önce
@Matt Matzinger mirror it.
Matt Matzinger
Matt Matzinger 10 aylar önce
how is he going to make a 2d object backwards?
Zac Hyrish
Zac Hyrish 6 aylar önce
This guy makes greater stories than what the writers intended
Cash Lannister
Cash Lannister Aylar önce
I really like this theory. It makes Joker seem like a more insane and sadistic version of V from V for Vendetta.
Mr J
Mr J 2 yıl önce
And i quote: "A villain is just a hero off the other side..."
Apuji
Apuji 5 aylar önce
@Joshua Rellick or doing good things but not minding if some people are killed
Bonnie Fazman
Bonnie Fazman 5 aylar önce
... Wanna burn a school?
Itz  Dragon_Universe
“You either die a hero or live long enough to see your self to become the villain”
BreadHatter
BreadHatter Yıl önce
Like thanos probably in some other comics
Razaziel
Razaziel Yıl önce
@kai Everyone is the hero in their story. You might be the villain in someone elses story.
Jon Arbuckle
Jon Arbuckle Yıl önce
Except now we have to ask a different question, are all the lives Joker has taken directly or indirectly worth the price of bringing in a new age of peace for Gotham? Are people really content sacrificing the few for the many or do we never compromise for the sake of our ideals?
Dusty Boot
Dusty Boot Gün önce
This is one of your best, if not your best movie theory episode. Bravo!
ConsciousCog
ConsciousCog 10 aylar önce
Late to the show, but think about this trilogy frequently so I gotta say something. Cool theory and it's always nice to see other people take the time to delve into the story from every angle. I disagree with this whole premise, however. I can see where this theory comes from, except for one HUGE thing. If this theory were correct or even the idea of this theory being a possibility, there wouldn't be a third movie. Most, if not all, of the major themes of The Dark Knight Rises are associated with redemption for what the Joker did to Gotham, and more importantly, Gotham's main protagonists. If he were truly a hero, the main motivations of Bruce Wayne and other major protagonists would have no foundation. If the Joker were a hero, he at the very least failed, because a new, yet old, threat came (back) to Gotham in the form of Ra's al Gul's original plan.
John Doe
John Doe 8 aylar önce
I 100% believe this theory, I also think that the joker could have been a military veteran in his past giving him the skills, knowledge and just sheer will and determination that a lot of vets get from there services to the country.
Cathia Askew
Cathia Askew Yıl önce
Joker: *takes rich people hostage* Batman: *shows up* Joker: and he waddled away waddle waddle
Bryan Woo
Bryan Woo Yıl önce
Lol
strawberry jam
strawberry jam Yıl önce
PLSSSS💀🤚🏻
Lad
Lad Yıl önce
This comment made my day, thank you
Keyhan
Keyhan Yıl önce
Cathia Askew “he focuses on Batman then he leaves” I think that’s why u made this
h i
h i Yıl önce
@Kurt Williams *no.. nooooo* (Joshua and the promised land refrence)
Gary Sanders
Gary Sanders 8 aylar önce
Dude 100% sign onto this theory. Also interesting to note that Alfred's story is eerily similar to Raz 'burn it all down' philosophy.
Beebardhan Gogoi
Beebardhan Gogoi Yıl önce
My love hate relationship with Mat-Pat continues. But gotta concede, this guy has brains. Edit: In Alfred's defence the time period Alfred was in Burma wasn't mentioned, nor was the local government. Like the government could have been Burmese. Alfred could have been some sort of mercenary, I mean he definitely had the training cause he's an ex-spy or something. Thoughts?
Nickolas Name
Nickolas Name Yıl önce
6:25 bruh he literally said that he only burned his own half tho. Plus the Joker's actions literally made people afraid of testifying against the mafias that Harvey Dent had arrested before the Joker did any of his major crimes. Even if the Joker's plan was to bankrupt all the mafias(it wasn't), they would've all been arrested without his interference regardless. Seeing all these people simping for the Joker and trying to paint him as a good guy just because he was pretty badass and intriguing is honestly kinda sad.
Renegade Bard
Renegade Bard Yıl önce
I agree. There's also nothing whatsoever in the movie that even remotely hints at the idea that Joker "just wants to save Gotham". Not even Alfred's story, because comparing that story to real life historical is, of course, flawed. Gotham is not the real world, meaning that just because something in the setting shares a similarity to real life, that doesn't automatically make them the same thing.
꧁Ice Angel꧂
꧁Ice Angel꧂ Yıl önce
I wached Joker yesterday night! :D I was like: Wait- The Joker is the hero!🤩👏 Joker has always been my favorite✌❤
Lauri Tuomiaro
Lauri Tuomiaro 2 yıl önce
Great, now I love Heath Ledger's joker even more.
Sebastyan Torres
Sebastyan Torres Yıl önce
Yes but it’s like a diamond hard to find but even harder to break
A person
A person Yıl önce
Is that possible?
smarties in my ears
smarties in my ears 2 yıl önce
wow wholesome conversation
Mint Tea
Mint Tea 2 yıl önce
Wow, I've never found a sub comment conversation this nice in a long time. It's nice to see there are still nice ppl on the internet beside trolls 12yos, angsty teens and assholes
Khajiit Korner
Khajiit Korner 2 yıl önce
@james martinez no problem
Intensity . Density
Intensity . Density 4 aylar önce
I've been saying the Heath Ledger joker is actually the good guy since it came out, and the system, the cops, government etc are the bad ones. Throughout movie history, we're made to believe that the one that rebels against corrupt governments is the bad guy. I'm always in the villians side in movies, especially this one
Leto85
Leto85 8 aylar önce
6:41 'The Joker has now bankrupted the Maffia.' And with that you get my Like. I simply love these kinds of film theories.
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