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It's finally the day before the day before Music's Biggest Night, and you know what that means...

Let me know your thoughts on the Grammys in the comments!

TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
01:45 PART 1: How The Grammys Started
08:23 PART 2: The Grammy Voting Process
17:34 PART 3: Deborah Dugan
21:46 PART 4: A Concerning Kind of Laziness
26:47 PART 5: The 2021 Nominations
30:41 PART 6: The Purpose of a Music Awards Show
34:15 PART 7: The Grammys Are A Flat Circle
36:03 PART 8: Can the Grammys Be Fixed?
38:02 PART 9: Do the Grammys Matter?

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alystdesign 2 yıl önce

it's so weird that the beatles and elvis had so many fangirls back then and now older people are like, "this was the real music"

Udayon Sen Aylar önce

@uɹnʇɐs uɹnʇɐs yet none of them are genuinely them They feel as genuine as a company writing them into existence

nniF Aylar önce

istg if this happens with like bts or something im going to nuke earth

Aiden Frederic 2 aylar önce

and they're the same guys at the recording academy like ugh! elvis? tomato tomato tomato I'm throwing tomatoes

Lightningmonky 7 3 aylar önce

LMFAOOO

amina issa 4 aylar önce

@Nathalie Petrova such blatant lies.Many more who listened to their songs sounds/lyricism will say otherwise.

T PK 2 yıl önce

They are relying heavily this year on BTS's fans to pull up attendance records, and then moved the only category that they deigned to give BTS a nomination in (Pop Duo) to the preshow, along with Rap (POC nominees) and R&B (POC nominees) Forbes put out an article last year with a closing line that I think applies to artists like The Weeknd, as well as BTS: "As BTS continues smashing records and the Grammys continue to lose relevance, who really needs who?"

Udayon Sen Aylar önce

That was an article by a bts fan so...

Jet Set 2 aylar önce

B0TS tanked

Jep 11 aylar önce

@The Cat Overlord if they create a category for Kpop, then they have to create a category for Jpop, Chinese Pop amd other language pop. Its counter-intuitive. Its a bad idea.

Roblox Barb Yıl önce

well the bts song just wasnt good in general its basic and boring and the awards are for quality of the song not fame

Arnab Chatterjee 2 yıl önce

Started with the beatles...when girls used to faint and scream at the sight of them people used to dislike it. Now that its stopped, suddenly people realized that the beatles are amazing. Backstreet boys, 1D, bts....if you are hating on them or dismissing their music just because teenage girls like them then you're wrong for not even giving them a chance. Give it a chance. Its not just a bunch of pretty boys singing. I realized that a little late but I'm glad I did.

Ron Bali Aylar önce

@jayyone The difference between BTS's artistic era and beatles artistic era, is that the beatles practically redefined rock and western music. Sgt Peppers created the first concept album. Revolver and Rubber Soul proved to the industry that music doesn't need to be explicitly commercialized to be successful. The white album brought sonic experimentation into the spotlight for the first time. All through rubber soul -> abbey road, they brought the sounds of psychedelia, acid rock, indian intrumentation, novel production techniques etc to the forefront of rock. Early rock sounds primitive in comparision to the rock we got after the beatles popularized these trends. And these trends reverberated throughout the western music world. BTS' artistic era doesn't match what the beatles did. Their music might be good, but not revolutionary. The beatles had a huge fanbase with teens because they made, in retrospect, mediocre pop music. The beatles aren't respected today because of Beatles for Sale, but for Sgt. Peppers or Abbey Road. And I don't even like the beatles that much.

Staringcorgi6 Aylar önce

It’s a dumb way to judge media instead of doing that you judge it for qualities that you find as bad

Ural Dixon Aylar önce

@Tiramiisu What's your source?

IDon'tNeedAName 2 aylar önce

BTS has merit but 1d has never been that good lmao take it from a former fangirl

Jeevith Rai 2 yıl önce

Queen never won a Grammy. That's all I need to know regarding the Grammies and their credibility.

Faulty Videos Aylar önce

Also the fact that pink floyd only won one Grammy, for an instrumental piece on the division bell, and somehow out of their golden age, The Wall was the only album to even snag a nomination

Cole World Aylar önce

Once I saw Diana Ross… I knew they were playin too much

Teal Chastain Aylar önce

Diana Ross hasn't either.

Staringcorgi6 Aylar önce

Pink floyd never won a grammy in their best years

yeah Aylar önce

jimi hendrix not winning one is insane

Linsey Spolidoro 2 yıl önce

Good to know we have always hated teen girls, scornfully ridiculing anything they enjoyed as inane. Suppose some things really don’t ever change.

Lightningmonky 7 3 aylar önce

I mean it's accurate a lot of the time but hey sometimes they get it right *ahem* Taylor swift

AJ Doyle 11 aylar önce

The Beatles were a cultural phenomenon like The Simpsons in the 90s or Harry Potter in the 2000s. They were instantly widely popular and cool after spending ten years learning their craft before fame. Teen girls actually ruined many of their live shows by screeching incessantly ruining the performances for other people. One Direction were manufactured to be successful by Simon Cowell and his corporation and a huge part of why they were chosen was because they were good looking to appeal to teenage girls.

Amaal Burhan 11 aylar önce

@Unamed Unamed it’s not because they are Male though.

Евгения Михайловна 2 yıl önce

@Chrispy teenage girls who listen to k-pop can have a hive mind though. some teens just want to cancel everything if someone disapproves of their fave

Евгения Михайловна 2 yıl önce

@Adeel Intikhab cause radiohead stood the test of timea nd ofc teenage girls will like anything that involves young guys

yeahyeahitskelsey Yıl önce

I kinda wish we had the grammys every year... but with no awards. Like a night with the biggest music celebrities and some super stellar epic performances. A celebration of music. And that's it. Maybe like a good worthy charity fundraiser. Like the met gala but for music instead of fashion. All the awards do is piss people of and celebrate the establishment.

Sundar Maanya 25 gün önce

Isn't that literally just the Coachella?😅

clone 99 5 aylar önce

Yeah this would make me actually watch it

Oluwashina Omisanya 11 aylar önce

Wait! You definitely snapped here! This is simply genius!

Psicopato Yıl önce

That would be so fun, imagine the artists are allowed to just get someone from the crowd to go on stage with them, and Beyoncé starts singing because... One Republic asked her to or something lol

StringGaige 2 yıl önce

Seeing that blurb about the Grammy credo and remembering "Yummy" getting a Grammy nomination for this year... Truly, a record of "sheer artistry, and artistry alone"

Sups Lion Yıl önce

@Auan's Camera that's 2 words

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

one word: Scooter Braun.

Constantine McDonough 2 yıl önce

@Satine he won for 10,000 Hours now cry

A 2 yıl önce

@Satine didn’t he win country duo for 10,000 hours or something like that

Rose 2 yıl önce

The Academy: We can't nominate the Macarena, it's not *proper* music Also the Academy:

Jordan Montgomery 2 yıl önce

The fact that Britney Spears has only won a single Grammy and it wasn’t even televised says more than enough

Jaypee Aylar önce

@Künstlerin-DAB1995 💯✔️ the comment I could agree more!

douglas yamaguchi 2 aylar önce

@glitz key sweetly,Britney lips the entire show!for yearsssss hahaa

douglas yamaguchi 2 aylar önce

And they only didn’t take it back because it’s for the producers not her.The nerve of her fan base to think that a SINGER who never sings should win anything 😅

douglas yamaguchi 2 aylar önce

@Chico Gutiérrez not an entire show!tours!!haha u should say that she’s saving her voice so she could last longer 😂😂😂

Michael Kholodnyak 2 yıl önce

You forgot to mention the fact that Kesha didn't even get a Grammy at least for one of her 2 nominations during the year she was invited to perform. They've pretty much used her situation for some clout and woke points.

Atreyu Aylar önce

Kesha does have a Grammy for Rainbow sorry Praying song

SpaceMan Yıl önce

To be fair. Kesha is pretty bad

Bach Vine Yıl önce

@Auan's Camera I don't feel like she "destroyed" her career, more like she faced so much success too early on that she kinda got confused as to what's next. Add her messy divorce and you get a nervous breakdown, simultaneously anxious about wanting not to let the public down, carrying the expectations placed upon her success, emotionally grieving the betrayal of a loved one, and the physical fatigue from her tour that went waaaay too long. She stumbled and sadly her manic pixie hair was more than enough for the public to brand her as already overstaying her welcome. Her new look was vilified as trend chasing, her new sound was dismissed as trying to stay relevant despite it being good, and she was labelled crazy. Even her record label abandoned her, look at how they handled her latest album. It's just a sad tale of rising so high, so quickly, that she failed to land properly in the end.

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

@Bach Vine can't help but girl destroyed her own career.

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

@Aiko still won for best alternative album but yeah i would trade hollywood's bleeding for fetch the bolt cutter in aoty category

Culturereau 2 yıl önce

I'm a bts fan and it's heavily known in the fandom that bts is used for views and ratings. Grammys already has problems as this video points out, don't get me started on asian representation and the latin grammy awards. But as a bts fan and a historian, bts won't win the award bc the grammys have never given an award to boybands the case seen with backstreet boys. Mots7 deserved a nom, not dynamite.

Udayon Sen Aylar önce

@bleh rain on me was brilliant Dynamite wasn't even the second best song on the list Charts don't matter

godzilla995 9 aylar önce

fatherless

vivalaVtae Yıl önce

If mots7 was released after dynamite, maybe it would have had a better chance :((

vivalaVtae Yıl önce

MOTS 7 deserves the world 😭

Raymond Limbu Yıl önce

Grammys got the lowest rating this year 💀

Alexander James 2 yıl önce

As a Canadian, I see the Grammy’s as an “American” music award. I know the AMAs are different, but a Canadian artist winning a Grammy just means that artist has successfully been assimilated into the US

Julio Hernandez Aylar önce

Bro Drake is the best Canadian pop singer no 🧢 fr fr

Alexander James Yıl önce

@Auan's Camera I remember JB getting a lot of anti-Canadian comments when I was in high school, I don’t remember as much for Alessia. I don’t remember Alessia getting pushed as much as JB or The Weeknd, and she performed at the Grey Cup a few years ago so I thought she still lived in Canada which would have saved her some harassment. I wouldn’t be surprised if The Weeknd and Shawn Mendes got it similar to Avril and Drake. The band that I was referring to in my second comment was Die Mannequin, but that’s a little different. When Care started her band she created a private label to retain ownership of her music and art. Any label that she worked with for distribution or marketing wouldn’t make as much money off her as someone they signed to an album deal. There was probably less insensitive for the label to promote the band because of that.

Alexander James Yıl önce

@Auan's Camera I don’t understand what you’re asking

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

who? JB? Alessia? Celine?

Alexander James 2 yıl önce

@Lisa Cox Canadians can be somewhat protective of our musicians and actors, and I think part of that is because of the population size differences and the cultural influence from the US. We have an internalized perception of ourselves as a small fish swimming against the current. A lot of our accomplishments; from music, arts, sports, and medicine, end up moving to the US or being thought to have come from the US because it’s easier to make money. Even some businesses can have an easier time working with US customers rather than across provincial boarders. A common criticism from young or immature fans is that moving to the US to pursue larger opportunities is a social equivalent to denouncing their Canadian citizenship. I think this is a dumb criticism, and most people grow out of it by the time they graduate high school, but it does affect artists mentally and emotionally. We don’t criticize other business or classically trained musicians in the same way. I knew a band years ago that was starting to see some success and had to make a decision about whether or not to pursue US audiences and the chance of a more stable career. They talked about how the label wasn’t going to support them internationally unless they moved to the States, but that would mean a social perception of abandoning their home. The band stayed in Canada and broke up a few years later because of internal struggles and a lack of external support. **EDIT: just to clarify after reading this again, I see the Grammys as an American award similar to how a Juno is a Canadian award or Victoires is a France music award. I encourage artists to pursue different audience or move to a different country if that’s what they want to do. My criticism of US assimilation is that Canadian artists are pushed to move to the States to receive support from their label and the industry. It’s expensive and time consuming to get artist visas to work and perform in the States, so most small or independent artists aren’t able to it on their own.

Masoma Makes 2 yıl önce

Bro people need to stop slandering the taste of teenage girls

Staringcorgi6 Aylar önce

Thats not a good reason to dislike something to be honest you can’t just say that you hate bts because teenage girls like them i don’t like them because it feels artificial and corporate also it’s too simple

thevoid99 5 aylar önce

as a man who back in the late 90s hated the music of britney spears, backstreet boys, and 'nsync only to enjoy it as i realized that it's damn good pop music. i agree. i don't find anything wrong with BTS or 1 direction (even though i think harry styles is getting overexposed). i may not be aware of their music but if teenage girls like it. then so what? i'll just be listening to can, spaceman 3, boredoms, and whatever weird music i can think of.

redmage Yıl önce

Glen Warne ok but it's the same with men and I don't see you calling them out

Sekhmet's Rag 2 yıl önce

Real talk 💯💯

Hannah 2 yıl önce

so the way the oscars treat animation is how the grammys treat everything, noted

Blapis-Blazuli Yıl önce

@Shina Omisanya They do, it's just that there are several things wrong with it. For one, animation has as many varied genres as live-action, so just having all animated films be shoved into a single category is ridiculous (Heavy Metal and Disney's Fox and the Hound are both animated, but their content is extremely different) and if you tried doing that with live-action people would think you were out of your mind. For another, it has the outdated mindset that animation is only for children and/or not as legitimate an art form as live-action, which is also not true and something that has been discussed in better detail by people like Brad Bird (director of Ratatouille, Iron Giant, and both Incredibles films) and Owen Dennis (creator of Infinity Train). Also, as someone else said, when it comes to the winners it's almost always either a Pixar or Disney film, even when said win is seen as undeserved compared to its fellow nominees (to use this year as an example: a lot of people weren't happy that Pixar's Soul won over indie studio Cartoon Saloon's Wolfwalkers). It's argued that when it comes to choosing which one wins they only really care about how pretty the animation looks and/or which studio it comes from, to the point where something has to be mind-blowing in order to beat them (hence why Shrek and Into the Spider-Verse's wins in their respective years were huge). TL;DR: The Oscars *do* have an animation category, but it's a fucking joke and very frustrating for animation fans, so not a bad comparison to the Grammys (and, let's be honest, the Golden Globes) apparently.

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

spirited away is laughing

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

it's just an award. it's not a big deal. there are still people who love you and your work. the award is not everything.

manuel martins Yıl önce

@Teddy Furstman à. .

Shri Siva Yıl önce

A Silent Voice and Your Name deserved so much better

vanlmr 2 yıl önce

Fiona Apple publicly pointed out the hypocrisy with the Dr Luke situation, but only her. No super popular massive artist did, because they rather turn a blind eye than to risk being snubbed by the recording academy smh

Devesh Sawant 11 aylar önce

not really, maybe if the musician is part of the contract with one of the huge mainstream record labels..otherwise you need to have some links or you will not be even known

Ramya Cha5 Yıl önce

when did she say that?

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

it's kinda funny how kanye and fiona apple both criticized the Grammys and the Grammys still award them. 😂

CaptainAya 28 2 yıl önce

@Dana yeah Taylor is one of the biggest artist. I mean she is aloud to say whatever she wants but she really should of said something

vanlmr 2 yıl önce

@Dana They’re vocal when there’s no risk for their careers. What could Dr Luke take away from her? Nothing. That’s why she supported Kesha. It made her look good and it was safe. But she still “needs” her album of the year award at the end of the day. I’m a huge Gaga fan and I was sad she also remained silent.

Maiga Vidal 2 yıl önce

As a Latina artist, Rosalia is a Spaniard (European) not Latina - but to the American academy it means the same thing cause WOOO, even at those levels we have ~colorism & preference for whiteness~

PAQUIN Raino 29 gün önce

@renoirsbastard In that case Daft Punk too are Latin as they are French which is part of Latin Europe

Shonen Jump Magneto 6 aylar önce

@Delta brother The Spanish Nationals are of The Iberian Race many are just Mixed Iberian-Caucasian. In Latin America; they're darker because many are Mixed Iberian-American (Amerindian) as inAmerican 'Red' Skin not 'White' Skin. I study this stuff. It's interesting and never not relavant.

Shonen Jump Magneto 6 aylar önce

The thing many, even people of that Race don't know, is the name of that race is The Iberian (Chicano) Race. Any other name is offensive to some & honestly it covers everyone genetically, that's where everyone in Latin America came from after all. The Iberian Sub-Continent. Spanish/Spaniard & Mexican are Nationalities, not Races, like many mistakenly believe. There is a method to this madness of words. PS: The American (Amerindian) Race has a similar issue with their identity & words/denonyms for it & I don't mean white people!

Main's Main 8 aylar önce

@Elías Alx8 i know, so, using that logic why aren't Spanish musicians considered Latin?

Elías Alx8 8 aylar önce

@Main's Main It's because we talk spanish, a latin language.

RM's Dimples 2 yıl önce

"We shall judge a record on the basis of sheer artistry" The record: *"yEah yOu gOt thE yUmmY yUm"*

Kinetic 11 aylar önce

@aleena._. Unironically better than yummy. Lmao

sana Yıl önce

@aleena._. and it's stil better than yummy so what's your point

Psicopato Yıl önce

@vic but most of the time music that's made just to get popular or for the cash is repetitive to get stuck in your head, and is usually only that one beat, music that's "artful" usually tells a story and has more variaty on the rythm

vic Yıl önce

@Gabriela Borges yeah but repetitiveness ≠ lack of artistry

Gabriela Borges Yıl önce

@vic he just thinks the chorus on both songs are repetitive

Ashley Smith 2 yıl önce

These videos are so well made, you can tell soooo much effort goes into them!

Soulless Yıl önce

@Mic The Snare how to edit good pls tell me

A1t3r's World! 2 yıl önce

fr❤

Mic The Snare 2 yıl önce

Thank you!

nina 2 yıl önce

Another thing that has always annoyed me is the whole "music's biggest night" thing when it's clearly... not. Not only are there much more prestigious music awards but they award mostly English-speaking people. I'm not from an English-speaking country and I've always had doubts that best music in the world only came from one place lol. That always contributed for me to not take them that seriously but I understand they may be huge for an American

HEAVEN 10 aylar önce

@Fatima Zahra The grammys is the classy award show. Well until WAP was perform now it's the Bet any other award show

Japanese Excellence 11 aylar önce

That's just a hyperbole slogan for advertisement. Grammys are an American award show and Americans speak English. Lots of countries have their own award shows for their own music award shows where they don't really pay much attention to music outside or just have a single international category. Grammys get a lot of attention because it was one of the earliest music award shows created on its scale, America is a superpower and is very rich, and English is the global lingua franca.

Generation Next Yıl önce

Not for us either, unfortunately. Need to hit that global stage in order for me to care and have global panelists too.

nina Yıl önce

@A I promise you artists outside of America have bigger and better goals than getting an award with such low criteria given by easily "bought" critics

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

@A for classical categories? aw yes but for non-classical ones? hell naw full of controversies and dramas

PROD. A.B.I.L 2 yıl önce

After what the Grammy's did to Kendrick and The Weeknd it's a no from me

gretchen Yıl önce

@Auan's Camera did you see where i said “in my opinion”? 1989 is my favorite taylor album, but tpab is my favorite album period, and i think it should have won. you’re entitled to your own opinion

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

@gretchen but what did the grammys say? 1989 is the winner hello?? now cry about it

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

@Mansi Gaur go back and listen to your junglebook.

Reinhardt Wilhelm Yıl önce

Yeah, they just continue to be so incredibly out of step with the average listener. They nominate every mediocre smash hit and every song with Beyoncé in it, and then fill in the gaps with some group no one’s heard of.

Designed Yıl önce

@Cryogenix Old Skool no, but the fact that one of the most critically acclaimed and successful albums of the year with the biggest hit song of 2020 didn't get a single nomination from the grammys really says a lot

Richard D’Orazi 2 yıl önce

While it is fun to see who will win a Grammy, ultimately it doesn't affect how I view an artist's work. When I listen to a piece of music, I don't think "Wow this is good cause it won a Grammy," I think it's good because it's good music.

Silvia Galvez 2 yıl önce

True

Dana 2 yıl önce

I think the Grammys are doomed from the beginning. 1. It was built on a foundation of exclusivity with genres and white male artists being "better" 2. Music has no (maybe not yet) standardized scale/rating that encompasses the cultural impact, popularity and how well written it is 2.a. Even if there was a scale, music will always be a personal experience so everything's subjective anyway 3. Trends move faster than the crusty boomers in charge can see it. They probably still think BTS means behind the scenes

Peter Anthony Castillo 2 yıl önce

Never forget when MJ and prince got robbed back in the 80s or even recent years with Kendrick losing to Macklemore and The Weeknd not even being nominated SMH

sandra sanders Aylar önce

@Hellosunshine k MJ won for best r&b vocal performance: wasn't even televised.

Staringcorgi6 Aylar önce

Same with pink floyd but in the 70s

TheBamaPrinceable Yıl önce

@loveutill theendoftimes I wouldn't necessarily say Bad was robbed but MJ winning 7 awards for Thriller was an isolated incident. That album was far too big to be ignored and that's part of the problem when it comes to black artists getting their due... It's not enough for their work to be good or even great, it has to be exceptional in order to have a chance of winning and even then, they may not even get a proper nomination. Look at Off The Wall: an exceptional LP, widely considered so to this day, it was the highest selling album by a black artist pre-Thriller as well as being the first album from ANY artist to have 4 Top 10 hits yet the only thing Mike received that night was the Best R&B Vocal Performance for "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough". One can certainly argue that MJ was robbed that time.

Peter Anthony Castillo 2 yıl önce

@loveutill theendoftimes doesn’t change the fact that he still got robbed in 88

loveutill theendoftimes 2 yıl önce

MJ... robbed ? You mean Michael Jackson the man who won 8 grammies in ONE night ? Robbed ???

lovelyy 2 yıl önce

i stopped caring for the Grammys ever since i learned Björk never won anything. it's fun to discuss and make predictions every year but it's so bittersweet with all the issues and bigotry and racism... feels guilty to express interest on the Grammys, like an incentive for them to continue their award show despite all the problems. this year i'll be rooting for BTS because i'm a big fan of theirs and i know how much that'd make them happy and that's about it. The Academy doesn't give me any other reasons to care for real

Liam McNicholas 2 yıl önce

>Artistic value and nothing but SERIOUSLY GRAMMYS?

lovelyy 2 yıl önce

@Npc I'm knot right? so they don't award one of the most inspirational artists of all time and neither the most popular group... what do they base off? if not critically acclaimed nor its influence in the world.... we're just left with connections in the industry

asteroides 2 yıl önce

In an interview about what he hates about the Grammys, Eminem once said that the grammys will put down records that have high sales but dont fit their “artistic grammy darling” type. And like how you showed, the whole artistic yardstick in itself is so subjective, made even worse if the demographic of the people making decisions is a small and select one. That’s why it’s crazy when artists that sell amazingly worldwide, like The Weeknd and BTS that topped IFPI, are snubbed like that. Isn’t there a reason why they’re so popular then? If they don’t fit the artistic metric, then that’s just like what they did to Rock N Roll. Widely popular, but so easily snubbed by that certain group that seems to their subjective opinion is better than everyone else.

Rafe Archer 2 yıl önce

Most logical and probable answer.

Tommaso 2 yıl önce

As a non-american, very few people care about Grammys outside of the USA.

Julio Moreta 4 aylar önce

Well they were not made for you to care lol

Doug Vale Yıl önce

Like the Grammys, in Canada, nobody gives an eff about the Juno awards

Sir’Lancealot Yıl önce

The Music industry cares 😂😂the music industry doesn’t care about what people think

CaptainAya 28 2 yıl önce

@ASF lol yeah

Auan's Camera 2 yıl önce

Yes. we're like okay so who wins this and who loses that oh congrats or poor them and then now what? 😂

sunny 2 yıl önce

after watching this year's grammys -refuse to give poc artists nominations and/or wins they deserve (the weekend, chloe x halle, bts, doja cat, etc) -push mostly poc-nominated awards to the pre-show And end up not giving it to them (chloe x halle, bts, etc) -and using an act to promote before and during the show by teasing an award and a performance "soon" (bts, who were made to believe they would win, and whose fans were made to watch the show til the end by constantly teasing them as the next performers and then giving them a less than 3 minute time slot) i have strong reason to believe there is at least some discrimination but hey, they game beyonce, megan, her, and other black artists awards, so its impossible that they're racist, right?

Udayon Sen Aylar önce

@Psicopato after hours , yes 7 , okayish Be was better

Psicopato Yıl önce

@Light Horizons 7 and After Hours are generally agreed to be great albums tho, so...

Soulless Yıl önce

@S damn. that's almost exactly what happen to tyler's pop album, IGOR. the grammy gave him the best rap album just because he's black (wtf)

Tshiamo.K 2 yıl önce

They awarded black female rappers after a whole decade of Snubbing Nicki Minaj the only black female rapper eligible the whole decade.... sounds sexist and racist to me☠️☠️☠️☠️

Ryan Caldwell 2 yıl önce

LMAO, I HAD NEVER SEEN THAT CLIP OF BECK WINNING THE BEST ALBUM GRAMMY BEFORE. That is amazing. Kanye showing a rare instance of self awareness, and Beck desperately not wanting to be on stage because he felt he didn't deserve the win. I had to rewind and watch it like 5 times lol.

M J 2 yıl önce

😂😂

Ryan Caldwell 2 yıl önce

@Shailesh Kandpal It was fully self aware. He walked up there and waved it off, making a very intentional joke about the VMA Taylor Swift debacle. What he said in an interview, where he was asked to share his opinion doesn't make his walking on and off stage a self aware joke.

Shailesh Kandpal 2 yıl önce

I mean, there was no self awareness, Kanye later gave an interview saying "Beck didn't deserve it, Beyonce did"

LEGENDARY STATUS 2 yıl önce

The Weeknd not nominated for anything is utterly outrageous, he worked way to hard for that

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

@LEGENDARY STATUS there's payola and who knows maybe he used it. again, the grammys don't care about charts or sales or records or ceritifications.

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

every artist works hard. let's leaving "they/he/she work/works/worked hard" argument only for delusional BTS stans alone. we're so much better than that.

LEGENDARY STATUS 2 yıl önce

@Ron~min_yoongi:3 no doubt lmao

Ron~min_yoongi:3 2 yıl önce

@LEGENDARY STATUS don't mind this person he/she is trolling everyone in the cs..seems like he/she is bored of life:))

LEGENDARY STATUS 2 yıl önce

Kerry Foerster bro he had the biggest song of 2020 with blinding lights which has been #1 on billboard for over a year, he had 4 or 5 songs from his album in the billboard top 10 charts, every song from his album was on the top 100. And ur telling me he’s not good lmao

Christine Meyer 2 yıl önce

Until we all collectively stop touting 'grammy winning artist' or 'this artist has x amount of Grammys' as an achievement and a serious career booster...they will matter on some level. The award show is all fake and corrupt for sure...but the industry behind it still values those awards too much. I work in film and if someone works for someone who has an Oscar it really becomes a influential career piece to use. That's a problem.

FLDAS 2 yıl önce

Agree! I hope someday something very controversial happens so that the Grammys will be shut down & we’ll never look back.

No no 2 yıl önce

As long as artists themselves care about Grammys, yes they do matter.

thevoid99 5 aylar önce

tell that to maynard james keenan.

Nick Ford 2 yıl önce

Honey wake up, new Mic The Snare video

Swishy Blue 11 aylar önce

(Wakes up a year late, scrambles downstairs like a putty crab)

Thierry Henry Yıl önce

Who cares about the Grammys? I never.

UnwrittenSpade 2 yıl önce

Honey go to bed, new Mic The Snare video and I wanna watch in peace

Ian Byrne 2 yıl önce

I told you before! She can’t hear you silly! This is a youtube comment!

James Selway 2 yıl önce

I come in the comments to make this comment word for word and what do I goddamn see? Good on you good person

Matt Miller 2 yıl önce

The big issue with any sort of rewards being given out by the people in the field, is that people are going to reward their friends or people they admire not the actual work. But then who is going to give out the rewards and award people who probably wouldn’t even be nominated in the first place. Knowing albums could be kicked off lists it feels like The Weeknd was probably kicked off any nominations this year for other artists. I am a swiftie yet I find it annoying how she can be nominated and win so many awards while Kendrick Lamar can make three of the best rap albums of all time and get one Grammy for it. That being said him winning the Pulitzer for damn is a higher compliment than any amount of Grammy awards.

Orange & Green Yıl önce

But the thing though is that even if they weren't awarding their friends or people they admire, even if they were looking at their actual work, it still wouldn't matter, it would still be an unfair and rigged game because of personal taste. You can deem something to be a masterpiece and there will still be people who won't see it as a masterpiece because of their own personal taste which they have every right to have and is valid, and yet it doesn't mean that the piece is bad or that they are wrong. And what someone else claims to be a masterpiece you might not see it but again, it doesn't mean the thing is bad, you just don't like it and may not even have a specific reason for that, you just don't. And THAT'S the real problem. People are too different in their music range tastes. Someone from the Academy might listen to "Every breath you take" by the Police and dislike it while someone else also from the Academy might like it and bc of that, the song gets at least one vote, which is probably what happened with the song when it won best song many years ago. I'm sure there was at least ONE person in the Academy who was not a fan of the song and to them, it probably didn't deserve to win. That's why I feel like award shows like these shouldn't even exist. It's so hard to pinpoint something being good or bad when what's good and bad is subjective and relevant to the person's thoughts about it. And also, like, what happens when multiple artists have achieved the same thing? Do they all receive the award? I feel like awards like these should be given only for straight up facts. Who's the most streamed ever in the year, you can actually fact check that and compare numbers and give an award to the winner. Achievement for the most collaborations, you can actually fact check that, artist who has the longest song, artists who has the most variety of genres in an album or idk im making shit up lol but my point is it should be shit like that, things that can be literally measured in numbers and not voted on by random ass people.

True False 2 yıl önce

There being biases in award shows is no secret in any of these award shows (Oscars, Grammys, Golden Globes, etc). Many of the nominees/productions companies/record labels will send “gifts” (monetary things such as expensive jewelry, expensive vacations, etc) to many of the people in the committee to insure a spot in the nomination list, or even to win the award(s) Example here is Harvey Weinstein who “campaigned” for his movies to get in the nomination list, and to even win at the oscars. Many great deserving pieces of fine arts (Music, Flim, etc) don’t get the recognition they deserve because a lot of these awards aren’t always purely based on merit, but [again] “campaigning” (buying “gifts” to the voters in the various academies). One big example being ‘Shakespeare In Love’ winning over ‘Saving Private Ryan’ for best picture: (You can start from around the beginning) trvid.com/video/video-6tihITlPAn4.html (Go about the 6:35 mark) trvid.com/video/video-z4GvecFjLkU.html

daze 2 yıl önce

You really hit the nail on the head with the weird dissonance between who the Grammys are hyping up and whos actually winning. Speaking as a BTS fan, Armys have long been frustrated with how the boys are always getting interviews, articles, special performances - everything except an actual award (though that might change this year, fingers crossed. Turns out all it took to get nominated was to sing in English 😬)

Udayon Sen Aylar önce

@Rae Rohan except that is not what musical success is

Udayon Sen Aylar önce

@helmi what you can't accept is dynamite wasn't the paradite you think it was It was hyped up in itself and did not deserve the win Yes the fan base was click baited, but that won't change that

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

this aged like milk

Rae Rohan 2 yıl önce

@A "manufactured pop music that they don't even create" - with this one statement you showed that you know absolutely nothing about BTS. Why are you trying to participate in a discussion on a topic of which you are entirely ignorant? Also, success = increased media coverage + awards. This is not a difficult concept to understand, yes? But with grammys they are giving tons of media coverage, but not accompanying it with an award. What does this tell us? They want the views and ratings that accompany BTS, but they don't actually want to acknowledge them as having any worth.

A 2 yıl önce

"Speaking as a BTS fan, Armys have long been frustrated with how the boys are always getting interviews, articles, special performances - everything except an actual award" Uh... none of those things have anything to do with being awarded. Why would they get awarded for manufactured pop music that they don't even create? And don't get me started on them saying they write and compose when we all know they're fake like every other KPOP group.

Hannie Jordan 2 yıl önce

tbh i feel like it's unfair to BTS to constantly chalk up the (limited for their impact) attention their music gets to "the enthusiams of teenage girls" when they have a very diverse fanbase (i'm 26) and make truly incredible music. Also if they were at the whims of bts' fans it wouldn't have taken 4 years of chart domination and an english track (a great joyful song regardless that bts brought a ton of charisma to) for bts to get a single nomination and not even in a main category, they are up against a ton of gatekeeping. I wish you would have reviewed their album BE for example. They're the biggest music act in the world right now (check IFPI) yet don't get the critical attention and acclaim i genuinely think they deserve because of stereotypes like this rooted in misogyny ("boyband ew bad teen girls silly etc") or xenophobia ("kpop ew bad music robots homogenizing takes etc"). idk i just wish ppl would think more thoughtfully about them and really give their music a chance to shine on its own merits. think to yourself if another artist released this who i was more familiar with or had a different image would i think it was better or more valid.

Udayon Sen Aylar önce

They have a lot of fans supported critic reviews and few critic reviews

cowgirltheworld Aylar önce

they should just make a kpop category at this point, give loona a Grammy

Generation Next Yıl önce

@Hannie Jordan Possibly because most teen boys comment more on Juice wrld's content and not his looks, neither would they disown him if he decided to date, which some people believe gives credibility to his music's popularity. They don't even need Juice Wrld around to keep supporting him (R.I.P.). However, when it comes to Kpop boy groups, in the past, many fans have been huge supporters until they a) started dating and getting married b) got too old c) Went off to mandatory military service, required in South Korea. Time and again, world support has withdrawn from Kpop boy groups for these reasons. This proved the fans really didn't respect the music. Many people fear this might be the case with BTS. There's a reason BTS is hush about anyone they're dating and probably can't share because even they know many fans are only there because of their good looks. At the end of the day, many people have a hard time trusting the fans because many of their comments in music videos begin with "He's so hot" or "He's my fave" or "His looks this era-". Not always "This song is so powerful". And it's left to be seen how many will truly show how much they "respect" their music when they start dating. If you want people to take BTS seriously, the fans have to as a collective, and bring forth more commentary about their music and not their looks across the internet. The streams better continue even if one of them gets married. All of the commentary from fans about the power of their music and lyrics happen as a defense to haters, but not as an initial response. More of that (like in this thread) has to be present across the board and drown out the comments on appearance. I've been into Kpop since 2003 and have seen Kpop artists, even some of my faves like BoA and 2ne1, come and go. Talent had little to do with the world sleeping on them. They just didn't look like a bunch of hot boys.

Generation Next Yıl önce

On one hand, I do feel like men criticize everything women like, even if they are guilty of the same things when it comes to voting systems in other industries (like the movie industry). On the other hand, too many fangirls _are_ obsessed over the boy bands because of their looks and not for their content or talents, especially if we compare a group like BTS and their success to other Kpop groups that don't have members that are "as attractive", but are just as talented and maybe even far more. There are so many truly gifted Kpop female artists that have gotten overlooked like BoA, Jessi, Ailee, and 2ne1 because they don't have the boyband image, but they've been making waves in Kpop so much longer. I am grateful that BTS is bringing Asian representation to the world stage and changing the image of Asian men. However, it is the image of Asian men, once considered less desirable, that's mostly being impacted by their presence. And while many may just respect these boys' music, I think the distrust comes from how some fans have reacted to Kpop boy groups in the past. There have been many incidents of some fans boycotting Kpop boy groups (heck, even Western fans boycott boy groups) once they were found to be dating or married, like EXO Baekhyun when he dated Taeyeon from Girls' Generation. He didn't gain back favor until he dumped her. What will happen to all that fan loyalty when BTS starts dating and getting married? For me, it's left to be seen whether it's the music that's respected or the good looks. Can they grow older and gracefully, with the fans giving that same energy? Because I've seen in South Korea other boy bands fall from grace from even being seen with a woman, showing that they weren't respected for their music. So some don't think anyone should consider their popularity as proof of their musical talent. While I do think the Grammys is heavily racist, I do think that if the Grammys extend their voting, it should be to the world, and hopefully they recognize lesser artists that are talented in South Korea, and even in other nations, and not just because of the strong fandom power. I also think that many BTS fans tend to come down on people who criticize the group, even constructively in any way, causing deep resentment and people not wanting to feed into the energy. It subconsciously turns them off and not want to support them. There does need to be nuanced discussions about some of these fandoms. Regardless, though, the Grammy's should think about the popularity but also in relation to how good they believe the music actually is as well. It will always be subjective though.

Ana Clara 2 yıl önce

It feels like the Oscars, I hate it when I'm watching, but I also love it??? Every year I get more stressed, but when someone I like (and deserves) win something, I feel like I'm part of that at some level. But also, every year I get disappointed, but never surprised, as we saw how cyclical it is. Anyway, I sure am rooting for nachosaurus to win something!!

Psicopato Yıl önce

Literally my only problem with the Oscars is the lack of awards for smaller parts that participate in the making of a movie and the snubs of animation and worldwide movies, other than that I wish they'd have a category "best script based of real events", the rest is always pretty right, but how the hell do the grammys always nominate bad stuff for every single category? Beyond all that everyone allways says

Tate Hildyard Yıl önce

The thing about the Oscars though that I’m surprised doesn’t come up more in discussing it is their value as a marketing tool. A low-mid budget adult drama can get a serious boost in public interest and asses in seats from some Oscar wins. Parasite did INSANELY well financially for a movie with 0 English, but also with 0 white people and it cleaning house with the Oscars was absolutely a factor in that. That kind of success hardly ever just comes from word of mouth alone. Same with Moonlight and Nomadland, 2 great, but very hard movies to market to casual filmgoers turned a profit thanks to the attention and interest from the Oscars. It also affects industry trends and who the industry feels is worth investing in. Jennifer Lawrence’s Oscar win in 2013 proved she had star power outside of her blockbuster franchise and she became one of the most bankable and sought after stars in Hollywood for a few years after that (although her more recent project choices kind of knocked her down on the list).

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

@Sukruthi Hanji meh. judy garland, alison krauss, norah jones, taylor swift, kacey musgraves, adele, billie eilish are laughing in album of the year while spirited away from Glibi is laughing in best animation

Raul Ruiz de Velasco 2 yıl önce

@BetIllBeDamned But that’s different, because it’s a festival and only films that play at that festival are eligible. And they’ve also had their fair share of slip ups. It’d be interesting to compare Best Pictures winners to Palme d’Or winners of the latest decade to see which has the better selections. I think it’d be pretty close. Like, the year Green Book won Best Picture, the Palme d’Oro picked Shoplifters, a superior film, in my opinion. The year the Palme d’Oro went to I, Daniel Blake, the Oscars beat them out with Moonlight.

Raul Ruiz de Velasco 2 yıl önce

@Ana Clara Oscar nominations this year are pretty great. Everything indicates Nomadland will take home the big prize. It’s a divisive film, but most critics and a handful of cinephiles agree it’s great, and it’s far from a safe choice like Green Book was.

Sass_King5 2 yıl önce

the fact that Kesha didn’t even win that night while Ed sheeran won and he wasn’t even there...for shape of you.... ??

Glen Warne 5 aylar önce

@Basement_Trickster Ed Sheeran didn't deserve it but Kelly Clarkson and Pink's tracks were worse than shape of you

T R 11 aylar önce

Ed Sheeran outsold now go cry about it

R C Yıl önce

@Auan's Camera So not sure what this comment has to do with the conversation or why you would assume that anyone would be jealous but clearly you had to get this off our chest so I acknowledge the comment. It makes no sense in relation to the topic of discussion, but it was read. You don't have to respond to this because I will not acknowledge or read anything else you write.

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

@R C not you comparing a female artist whose career is more than a decade old with a boyband which is probably not gonna last after they all hit 30. the fact that 31 years old taylor's music is still going strong thst someone gets jealous says a lot about her relevancy.

Gabriela Borges Yıl önce

v AmOr~ cala essa boca

Jon Hoskins 2 yıl önce

"At least 51% playing time of the genre specified by the field," they said, as they give IGOR rap album of the year

ch3rry las3r 2 yıl önce

@Jon Hoskins yes! black artists are only ever put in rnb and rap,

ch3rry las3r 2 yıl önce

@C W yes it does-

João Gomes 2 yıl önce

@Jon Hoskins Yeah, I agree, we are on the same board. I just think that guy mentioned neo-soul because Igor was classified as such genre but anyway

Jon Hoskins 2 yıl önce

@João Gomes But my point still stands. There is definitely less than 51% of IGOR that is rap-like. I love the album and I'm so glad it was recognized, but that wasn't the right way to recognize it. Even Tyler said it's not a rap album

João Gomes 2 yıl önce

@Jon Hoskins Nope, he was probably saying that Igor was classified as neo-soul, psychedelic soul and experimental hiphop. You can see it at rateyourmusic website.

Luke Berrie 2 yıl önce

Can’t wait for the supergroup comprising of Charli XCX, Phil Elverum, FKA Twigs, Yves Tumor, Earl Sweatshirt and Black Midi to win Song of the Year next time around then. Should be pretty good.

alcoh4le 2 yıl önce

Earl and Charli on the same record? I could die.

Holly Mangu 2 yıl önce

Omg yes!

June Asiimwe 2 yıl önce

Not gonna lie, I'd be down for that supergroup actually becoming a thing.

전미래 2 yıl önce

“Who's to say that young girls who like pop music -- short for popular, right? -- have worse musical taste than a 30-year-old hipster guy, that's not up to you to say. Music is something that's always changing. There's no goal posts. Young girls like the Beatles. You gonna tell me they're not serious? How can you say young girls don't get it? They're our future. Our future doctors, lawyers, mothers, presidents, they kind of keep the world going.Teenage-girl fans -- they don't lie. If they like you, they're there. They don't act 'too cool.' They like you, and they tell you. Which is sick." - Harry Styles

Gemini Sam Yıl önce

@CaptainAya 28 Grown man still disrespect Harry Styles as an Artist tho , especially on Twitter especially in Hip-hop community.

MemeAids Yıl önce

Presidents? Hah

Niyati Shah Yıl önce

@CatharticMemeFairy Hey Angel, If I Could Fly, Walking in The Wind, What a Feeling, Night Changes, Once in A Lifetime and Stockholm Syndrome

CatharticMemeFairy Yıl önce

@Niyati Shah I personally haven’t observes the similarities in that. I think lyrics have similiar vibes but sonically I don’t see it. can you give some examples?

Niyati Shah Yıl önce

@Shri Siva some of Harry's music, especially from his debut is very similar to one direction's last two albums - Four and Made in the A.M.

Ana-Maria Ciulavu 2 yıl önce

as Blinding Lights was 2020 biggest single worldwide according to IFPI (International Federation of the Phonographic Industry) so was BTS' Map Of The Soul: 7 the biggest album worldwide. what these two have in common? no Grammy nominations. sure Dynamite was nominated as it should have been. it was the 10th biggest single worldwide also according to IFPI, it was #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 for 3 weeks and surprise, surprise it's still charting at the moment. but nominating them in only ONE Pop category which was Best Pop Duo/Group Performance which for years consisted of just collaborations(?!?), then announcing that they will perform at the ceremony which they have always wanted, then moving this category along other categories which were dominated by POC to the preshow which was live on youtube and not on TV, to give the Grammy to a collaboration that everyone forgot about in 2020 and that didn't have that much of an impact in the charts of US or anywhere outside of it TO FINALLY USE BTS' PERFORMANCE TO KEEP 'HOSTAGE' THEIR FANS SO YOU CAN SAVE YOUR RATINGS FOR A THIRD YEAR IN A ROW ??? this was the third year they used BTS' success and fans for clout. and I can assure you as a BTS fan outside of the US I never cared about Grammys, not really, but they wanted to perform there one day and maybe even win one of the awards so of course, I wanted that for them. and yeah now I'm disappointed and pissed and a part of me wants for BTS to never seek validation from the US ever again. they are the biggest Pop act at the moment with or without a Grammy and a part of me wants them to do the same thing as Abel did: to also boycott these western award shows but then I remember what Twitter user @alapadma2 said: "Of course I want BTS to ignore the Grammys like other artists have done. But we need to understand that that's a privilege Western artists have. This is their industry, while BTS are outsiders. The Grammys would love it if an outside, resistive force stopped challenging them." so the other part of me wants for them to break the last glass ceiling because that's what they have been doing for the last years: breaking records and glass ceilings. make themselves visible and taking a chair at the table where it was possible and not where they created a separate table just for them (I'm not forgetting you VMAs don't worry). to conclude I will leave here a quote from a Forbes article "But as BTS continue smashing records and the Grammys continue to lose relevance, who really needs who?"

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

it's just a one single contest. what exactly do you want from it? you're just mad that your faves didn't win and that's it. the rest are just your excuses.

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

@Pong Bautista agreed. I recognized Jacob Collier from him being a nominee in the Album of the Year category along with my fav Taylor who won in the category and I would say without the Grammy, I wouldn't know or search who is Jacob and yeah his music is quite good.

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

@Ana-Maria Ciulavu good for you cause eventually the grammys will stop using bts for clouts and move on to somebody else. it's a systemic issue. one longass comment few people would consider reading and they probably don't even finish it in full won't change anything.

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

the Grammys will still live on alongside with the Oscars, the Emmys and the Tonys. One prediction from one magazine means no shit.

Stacie Yıl önce

@I don’t know anymore which is so weird because the academy tries to sell itself as an award show that doesn't base nominations or wins off of charts. It's so inconsistent 🙄

Emma Planas 2 yıl önce

23:45 A shining example of a African American band winning in an a category outside of the big four, not including hip-hop or R&B, has to be Living Colour. They won for Best Hard Rock Performance in 1990, beating out Aerosmith, Great White, Guns N' Roses, and Mötley Crüe. They also won Best Hard Rock Performance in 1991 beating out AC/DC, Faith No More, Jane's Addiction, and second time nominee Mötley Crüe.

Rayaz Khan 2 yıl önce

But I think Mic the Snare’s point is that such a win is an outlier. Like Stevie, Quincy, Ella...etc.

ThrottleVinnieModo 4 aylar önce

I've always been puzzled by the Grammy's "Big Four" having a Best New Artist award but not Artist of the Year. Imagine the Oscars having a Best New Actor award instead of Best Actor.

The Rock 2 yıl önce

MJ deserved song of the year for Billie Jean and more awards for Bad and Off The Wall.

Julio Moreta 4 aylar önce

Sorry but every breath you take was the biggest hit of '83 and was just as good as a song.

Matthew Hodgson 8 aylar önce

Mic should do a DDD on Michael. He did it with Floyd, Bowie, Beatles and recently Queen so michael jackson definitely deserves one

sam escourt 2 yıl önce

The wildest part about the Grammys for me is the sheer cognitive dissonance some people have when discussing it. Mfs always are going “the Grammys don’t matter” yet they throw a hissy fit when The Weeknd isn’t nominated for one. Make up your mind, if you don’t want the Grammys to have all this power than stop giving it to them.

Tate Hildyard Yıl önce

As someone who’s not really a music guy and is mostly using the Oscars and their issues as a template for interpreting this, I have a question. People often make the same complaints about the Oscars and how the AMPA handles voting and campaigning but a critical component of the Oscars and what I think doesn’t get discussed enough is the market power winning these awards get you. In film, a low to mid budget adult drama can get a serious boost in public interest from the clout an Oscar win gets. Same goes with people’s careers, an Oscar win can make an obscure actor or director a lot more popular and incentivize interest to give them bigger opportunities if the stars align. What I wonder is that does the same value and set of benefits apply for the Music Academy? Do Grammy wins actually incentivize public interest or career stock or are most of the nominees too big and self sustaining to even get anything out of it?

Andrew Youles 2 yıl önce

@Johnny Beaver also i realised that the weeknd had already spoke up against the grammys in september i think. something about the pushing black artists into the urban categories

Johnny Beaver 2 yıl önce

@Andrew Youles Than most, yeah. That is indeed a true statement.

Andrew Youles 2 yıl önce

@Johnny Beaver anyway The Weeknd has done more against the Grammys than most. All the other artists still submit their music and I’m sure they would happily accept a nom/win even if they went against them in the past. At least the weeknd no longer submits. By submitting, all the other artists are showing that they still care about the grammys

Johnny Beaver 2 yıl önce

@Andrew Youles I think you're missing the point, but that's okay.

Natalie 2 yıl önce

I’ve never been one to watch the Grammys. I was actually really excited to watch them this year because BTS, the first Korean group to be nominated, are actually nominated and will be preforming. But unfortunately to the disappointment of all BTS fans, their category is being presented in the preshow..... so yea, another year not watching this overly long and overly hyped award show.

Jin Roe 2 yıl önce

No more army watching next year and Grammy proud to announce about 12M watching on the show and for sure 90% viewers is Bts Army even army from Asia wake up 3am just watch the pre-show and after announcing Group/ Duo category from more than 1M views down to 300K

Jonathan Pickering 2 yıl önce

I love Jacob collier, with all my heart, he's the person who got me more into R&B and way more genres. But I'm terrified that he will win. It's not his best album and I'm horrified if he gets forgotten after the awards and is shunned. I love this video and your commentary on all nominations this year. Edit: ppphhhheeewwwww, happy that he won one and I'm happy for Taylor

Auan's Camera Yıl önce

he is a music genius. hope to see him releasing more work in the future. he's cool!

Yoan 2 yıl önce

@Alex yes indeed

Alex 2 yıl önce

He definitely deserved the grammy that he won

vero andrade 2 yıl önce

Yeah. And he will get a lot of hate for that specially by fans of the most popular nominated like Swift. Same to Black Pumas. Please they not.

thekickback 2 yıl önce

lord knows there have been many times in the grammys where winning it has actually actively ruined your career. macklemore went straight downhill after winning best new artist and rap album of the year.

Brave as a Noun 2 yıl önce

As a macklemore fan there's no reason he should've won over Kendrick. That was... strange.

Khôi Phan 2 yıl önce

@gideon damn ok

gideon 2 yıl önce

@Khôi Phan yeah I do

Khôi Phan 2 yıl önce

@gideon you walk around announcing yourself as someone who doesn’t respect people’s thoughts and rude? lmao💀

CaptainAya 28 2 yıl önce

@gideon it was relevant to the video so of course they would?

Brave as a Noun 2 yıl önce

@gideon ...No, it was relevant to the video? Dude said macklemore won over someone more deserving - even as someone that likes him I recognize the man did not deserve that grammy that year.

Brody Schultz 2 yıl önce

Björk, the f*ucking legend and genius herself, not having ONE Grammy does not sit right with me. AT ALL

Soulless Yıl önce

2pac, one of the greatest rapper of all time and queen, one of the greatest band of all time never win grammy. hmm

DAISHORYUJIN 95 Yıl önce

What is the point of putting an asterisk of you’re not actually going to censor the letter it’s supposed to be censoring?

KLIN chronaxon fka El Franklo Yıl önce

Exactly, she is such an excellent musician.

Eric Brenner Yıl önce

I think she's terrible but that's just my opinion.

Raul Ruiz de Velasco 2 yıl önce

Kerry Foerster It’s appropriately used when it comes addressing Björk. She’s a genius musician.

Soren Olsen 2 yıl önce

1. The RYM route 2. All of the new RYM grammy voters only vote for crazy frog every year 3. Eventually all of the old voters retire 4. Crazy Frog can now vote 5. RYM voters all simultaneously retire 6. Crazy Frog is the only voter and the Grammys are renamed the Crazy Frog's Choice Awards

skyferreira 2 yıl önce

@Christian Lazo as they should. Bjork greatest artist of all time and fiona apple greatest songwriter. Mariah greatest vocalist and men? OUT

Christian Lazo 2 yıl önce

@skyferreira wdym, 3 out of the top 5 albums from 2020 were made by female artists.

A Random Person 2 yıl önce

@skyferreira What why?

aditidurgapal 2 yıl önce

Being a citizen from a non white non English speaking country I never paid much attention to the Grammys until this year only because bts was nominated. Its because the boys care ,the fans care fully knowing that they don't really need a grammy. I guess they see this as a final frontier to acheiving everything. Even now the lack of a Grammy can fuel them to keep creating lot of good music. Once they get it, I imagine they would be like "what next? We have already achieved world domination and the status of an icon"

Henry Mathews 2 yıl önce

I’m literally subscribing, I’ve never seen someone dissect the Grammys and expose them for who they really are.............👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

Henry Mathews 2 yıl önce

@LindaMbalz yeah

Henry Mathews 2 yıl önce

@ma francisca correia 🤙🏽

ma francisca correia 2 yıl önce

SAME

James 2 yıl önce

Honestly the fact that Sonic Youth, a band who had a long, fruitful career and produced some of the greatest, most groundbreaking and influential rock music ever recorded, was not once even nominated for a Grammy in their entire 30-year-long career proves a lot of the points made here. The Grammys exist to celebrate the status quo of the music industry, shying away from promoting anything threatening to the status quo like Sonic Youth, who influenced the likes of Nirvana and Radiohead.

Liam McNicholas 2 yıl önce

In 2014 they cut off a back to back NIN/QOTSA performance (which was the finale of the ceremony) with a commercial. A lot of Nine Inch Nails and Queens fans were very angry with that.

Liam McNicholas 2 yıl önce

I also shouted "WHAT" when he said that only one Motown artist won an award.

Luke Watson 2 yıl önce

The comments: The fact that my favorite artist has never won a Grammy and this artist I dislike has 20 tells you everything you need to know about the Grammys 😒

Danilo Celle 2 yıl önce

Well its true for most of the cases...

Stalker 101 2 yıl önce

Y'all are having some great debates over the Academy's losing relevance and terrible judgement, but let's not overlook what a brilliant video essay this was and Mic the Snare's AMAZING editing.

Taylose6 4 aylar önce

As a MASSIVE Steely Dan fan, there is no right they deserved that album of the year Grammy lol

Matt S 2 yıl önce

There should be a TRvid Critics Academy featuring Mic, Mark from Spectrum Pulse, Anthony Fantano, Jon from ARTV, Luke from Rocked, Shawn Cee, the members of Dead End Hip Hop, Todd in the Shadows, the Rap Critic, and whoever else you can find.

Rayaz Khan 2 yıl önce

I like this idea as a starting point, but that could easily run into a similar systemic issue. So I’d entrust Mic the Snare and people of similar brilliance to figure out how to collaborate with an actually representative, diverse consumer base in order to shape the new Academy itself.

Josh Hale 2 yıl önce

“Fetch the Bolt Cutters” not being nominated for AOTY is a damn shame

Brody Schultz 2 yıl önce

Yes, such a shame.

Richard D’Orazi 2 yıl önce

If there's one thing with the Grammys that I think is better now is the fact that in the past decade they've largely stuck to rewarding big-name artists and big charting hits save for the occasional outlier like Beck and Arcade Fire. It's at least better than rewarding artists past their prime as an equivalent of a lifetime achievement award as they did with Steely Dan, Herbie Hancock, U2, etc.

Desire Yıl önce

I think the Grammys should stop branding themselves as "THE music award show" because they clearly don't know what they are doing with that dang committee of their's and they are only picking from songs that are huge in America (and they still pick and choose what THEY want while snubbing POC artistes and if not shoving them into tiny boxes) while ignoring a whole lot of good songs that aren't in English or Spanish

Cinnamon roll 2 yıl önce

At this point Reddit could make their own music award I would watch it instead of the Grammys

Max 2 yıl önce

Not sure why anyone expects anything from the Grammys. At least in the Olympics it's pretty cut and clear which person crosses the finish line (though admittedly less clear who twirled the ribbon the best) but when it comes to who acted the hardest or sang the coolest that's a bit less objective.

shadez 2 yıl önce

There's an upper limit to the subjectiveness though? How does a Macklemore's album win over GKMC? It almost does not matter whether one likes Mackemore's album more, it's pretty undeniable that GKMC is the more noteworthy album. No one is gonna remember The Heist in 10 years.

Browk 2 yıl önce

I find it fascinating how the grammys and oscars differ so much. Pretty much nobody respects the grammys. The grammy winners reflect the opinions of absolutely nobody. Not the charts, not critics, not internet weirdos like us. Nobody. The oscars on the other hand don't seem to try and maintain this balancing act between what's popular and what's critically good. Of course, they're not perfect, but they seem to reflect the actual good stuff that comes out each year.

Lisa Cox 2 yıl önce

That's not true that the Grammy and Oscars differ so much. It's also not true that "nobody respects the Grammys". Don't let The Weeknd and a few other people may you think that...because it's not true.

Catarina Barbosa 2 yıl önce

the oscars and the grammys have a lot of the same problems, just look at the way they treat the technical categories and animation

Michael Adkins 2 yıl önce

The Oscars have their own list of gross embarrassments for awards. Their are whole TRvid videos about it. Ill watch the Grammy performances the next day, include Blinding Lights and skip who won what.

Jen V 2 yıl önce

Love the video but bts fans do not only consist of teenage girls. In fact their image of a stereotypical boyband for 12 year olds really doesn’t fit them at all. They write their own lyrics, produce a lot of their stuff and their discography explores so many genres of music:)

Elina Tsaktsira 2 yıl önce

Glen Warne actually in the BE album only V did it and no one else. The op was talking about the band as a whole it doesn't matter who does it, the point is that they are very involved in the creation of their albums Plus the vocal line members have written a lot of songs, they just don't produce.

*POW* PunkOnWhiskey Yıl önce

It only matters to those nominated. The public don't really chat about the Grammy's or what it means because it doesn't really amass to anything. Its more of a self celebration if anything imo.

lazy_h Yıl önce

"The Grammys dont matter. But they matter to me." I felt that

orlock20 2 yıl önce

I believe the goal of the Grammy Awards is to get viewers and the actual awards don't matter. It does this by getting famous artists nominated for the night time awards rather than talented artists. It's the daytime nominees that interest the voters because it's friends voting for friends (if you are an outsider you won't get nominated).

Künstlerin-DAB1995 2 yıl önce

Sounds about right. It may also explain why they stuff in so many categories.

Shook is the Blaine Yıl önce

The fact Nicki Minaj has never won a Grammy says everything I need to know

alaanaahh Yıl önce

I feel like the Grammys whole point of existence is a control tactic for the artists themselves. It’s not for us. It’s a show and they make them dance like little puppets

crescentfreshbret Yıl önce

Good on you for acknowledging Jesca Hoop and Laura Marling. Those are both great albums by great artists.

Crazy Spirit 2 yıl önce

Man all the facts in this video are so on point. Grammys always award the most comfortable artist in my opinion, that are most easily digestible for the audience. They do nominate some well-deserved artist in this process but the amount of snubs are ridiculous.

baibiebaibea 2 yıl önce

eversince someone pointed out that they only nominate really great artist/performers (mostly bipoc) for them to perform hence more people watching and then give the award to those safe bets... its tiring... its a special little club of the elite. what if artists just boycott grammys? i wonder what would happen...

Satine Yıl önce

@user It basically means black, indigenous (Native American), and people of color all in one. Technically black people in this scenario doesn’t really count as a “person of color.” So, if you were to say “poc” when talking about black people, it’s not really correct (not saying black folks aren’t minorities). You would most likely just say black in that situation. Indigenous means Native American. But there have been debates if Native Americans count as poc or if their primary characteristic has to do with political issues (in this case, it has to do with political issues). So if you can’t understand my crusty definition, basically people use bipoc for this reason: - poc is a very very broad term. It’s hard to really tell what you mean when you say poc because it’s not very specific - bipoc is a little more specific because it focuses more on black and indigenous people (because that has often become the main topic of conversation regarding race) I personally don’t use it. I think it sounds too wordy and Twitter-ish. But if there’s a specific situation where that term fits. I would use it. Hope this helps.

Chai Zan 2 yıl önce

@baibiebaibea I agree but don't get your hopes up for nothing, there's a history and legacy behind the Grammys and that's what's allowing the academy to still persist throughout the years even tho it has lost all credibility. Essentially, I stand for artists who don't need a prize like this to get the respect they may need. No artist nowadays needs the recording academy to be deemed a "renowned musician", from Queen, to Bjök, to some may say BTS, or other Korean artists that definitely have it in them to get a Grammy. Nowadays the musicians themselves don't really need that award in my opinion.

Chai Zan 2 yıl önce

@Satine aight.

Satine 2 yıl önce

Well, shouldn’t the Grammys have talented people on the awards? Because I don’t want a total lip syncer on the stage.

baibiebaibea 2 yıl önce

@Chai Zan yeah true :< I really hope theres a new awards show fit for our times that will become more credible and bigger than the grammys!

Nelsaline 2 yıl önce

the Grammys dont matter but at the same time they're a tradition you keep doing because you've always done it before. I find year end top ten lists from music nerds to be really valuable because I can see what music everyone had in common, and sort through the lists to see what I want to check out. I would've never listened to punisher, perhaps my most listened to album of this year so far, without doing this.

Kris 2 yıl önce

It's certainly always very interesting to see which artists people WISH had been nominated, especially since there are smaller, sonically interesting artists who would benefit from some recognition that they might not get at a Billboard or VMAs ceremony. Seeing what music bloggers and youtubers wish could've been recognised is always a blast for me!

Taylor Swift Fan 5 aylar önce

Grammys have a lot of problems they also ignore critical favorite pop albums from smaller artists such as Carly Rae Jepsen & Mandy Moore. Wild Hope & Emotion are both strong with critics and got no nominations.

Niki Bronson Yıl önce

The black Pumas one was actually really good like I think it's because they just blew up so they wanted to recognize them

elektricis 2 yıl önce

whenever the academy is wrong (so, most of the time), i'm either angry and/or disappointed. but then when they get the win right, it feels so victorious and joyful*. i really can't explain why these inane circle-jerks evoke such intense feelings in me and so many others, even when we KNOW they ultimately don't matter. *can't remember the last time it happened w/ the grammys (rip) but a great example of a triumphant moment like this was the parasite oscar sweep

Mansi Gaur 2 yıl önce

Probably because America has always sold Grammy/Oscars as the pinnacle of artistry even though only few awards every year are won by deserving artists.

Ranne Adams 2 yıl önce

the way nicki minaj doesn't even have one and has 10 nominations..

Ranne Adams Yıl önce

Glen Warne wrong.

Ranne Adams Yıl önce

Glen Warne best new artist? or u also think white man bon iver deserved it. mk

barbiexan Yıl önce

@Ranne Adams they blackballed her way before that

Ranne Adams Yıl önce

@Titi Hamilton well what really is enough then?

Titi Hamilton Yıl önce

@Ranne Adams 18 hits is not enough that what it said on billboard Like she the queen of Rap

Leo 2 yıl önce

I just wanted to say thank you so much for the videos you make, the quality and the amount of effort you put into them is genuielly amazing, and it always brightens my day whenever you post a video, I just really appreciate what you do, as people on the internet go, you're pretty cool :)

Christopher Rohlf 2 yıl önce

Showing "thin white Duke" bowie right before saying "golden years" was inspired. Love the channel, bud. Keep it up!

rats belong nowhere 2 yıl önce

dude, you’re incredible your videos are so well done, funny, and informative. You deserve a lot more than what you got and I’m certain that you’re only gonna get more and more successful keep it up!!

Lucy May 2 yıl önce

Honestly just pisses me off how sexist and even internally mysoginistic the opinion of "fanatic teen girls" is. yes I'll admit they can get a bit too "excited" (which is how media always paints them) but why is that a bad thing? Can't we let people enjoy the things they love? Have you seen what football fans are like? Yet No one constantly ridicules or patronizes them for their taste and passions. The Beatles were dismissed for there large young female fan base, yet they're remembered as some of the greatest musical artists in history. These artists are liked for a reason and it's very disrespectful to dismiss them because of the harmful and sexist stereotypes portrayed onto the fan base. As well as being majorly generalizing to the fan base. (And yes I know that some of these fans take shit way too far, to the extend of stalking and physically harming these artists. And I do not condone that behaviour nor do I class them as real fans). But why is it when women like something it is used against her to ridicule her and even used to emasculate a man if he may share her interests?

Japanese Excellence 11 aylar önce

@Lucy May Bubble gum pop music is always looked down on by music snobs and critics, plus I think they single out teenage girls because they believe they only like them because they are attractive. There is also a hipster element of hate since it is a stereotype that a lot of girl bands and boy bands are manufactured by the music industry to specifically target teenage girls.

gerardo vazquez 11 aylar önce

there are hormonal phenomena the industry knows it. the industry knows how to profit. The industry also knows that it doesn't need great artists or great songs. just pretty faces, slim bodies and simple melodies. This is a dishonest, premeditated product. a product of second category, it is not serious. That's why it's not always about misogyny. It is a matter of artistic hierarchy

Louisdiraham Yıl önce

I agree omg

Lucy May 2 yıl önce

@WOLF STAR I agree with that to an extent, except the Beatles music was still amazing an revolutionary even from the beginning. Despite this, however, because of the mysoginistic and sexist view of the majority of their female fan base, they weren't taken "seriously" by these music critics. Therefore, my question is, why is it when a young girl likes something, she and the artist is belittled and even disregarded in terms of respect for the artistry in question?

WOLF STAR 2 yıl önce

While that's a good argument there's a point people don't get about The Beatles/teenage girl fan base all of you are making. There's a huge flaw with the "teenage girls and Beatlemania" yes that's true because the Beatles when they first started were technically a boy band with very accessible songs and they appealed to teenagers however Then the "Sgt Pepper" album came and they became a very different band with psychedelic music elements and experimentation and that was the point when their appeal became much more relevant to music snobs and critics. They weren't a band for teenage girls anymore. If The Beatles had only released anything pre-Rubber Soul I'm not sure they would be considered what they are now.

Lukas 2 yıl önce

Thank you for educating me on this. I honestly didn't know most of this. Especially the Deborah Dugan situation

amparoohoo 2 yıl önce

what i find a little bit frustrating is how some fans were trying to compare bts to the Beatles (because the beatles were ridiculed for having a largely female fanbase, and now they're cemented as an incredibly talented group) and people are trying to brush that off by saying that the beatles were only heartthrobs in the beginning of their career before having an artistic era where they began being more artistic. bts have BEEN artistic. they constantly challenge the bounds of genre and incorporate incredible word play into their songs. they're amazing at their craft and even if the multiple genres they sing and rap in isn't your style, you can't deny that they love music and know how to make it good. bts aren't just lucky to be famous because of their looks, they're talented, insightful people who continuously push out artistic albums. i don't know what else to say but to advise you to listen to their albums and actually try to understand their lyrics. their most recent album BE focused on the impact of the pandemic on loneliness and desperation. idk but it irks me that some people try to downplay bts like that.

Kevin 5012 2 yıl önce

Yesss I’m a massive fan to both the Beatles and BTS and I agree 100%, ever since 2 cool 4 school BTS have been artistically evolving and innovative, map of the soul persona 7 is a groundbreaking album, and had everything to sweep up the Grammys, but bc of the preconceived notions of KPOP and boy bands and western media’s racism/xenophobia is why it isn’t seen as huge.

momo luvr 2 yıl önce

as someone who has been stuck listening to the same music for years I would love to see a video of you recommending albums based on albums people may already like! your reviews are some of the only ones I trust lmao

manzoman96 2 yıl önce

That daft punk get lucky performance might be the best thing to ever come out of the grammys.

Tenison Junior 2 yıl önce

Oh, man... One gotta love a well written, produced and edited video essay

Milan Hasmonek 2 yıl önce

depeche mode is tragically underrated in the us! i doubt at this point they’ll be inducted into the rock n roll hall fame, another arbitrary and shallow measurement of american musical success

Lizzie ✨Taylor‘s version✨ Yıl önce

It doesn’t matter until your fav is nominated and got a Grammy, I’m talking about almost every music stan

Kam Oko 2 yıl önce

I stopped caring after the Grammys SNUBBED SZA out of all of her nominations😬

Apollo☮ 2 yıl önce

Kerry Foerster Amen

M J 2 yıl önce

@Rohirrim And a liar

Rohirrim 2 yıl önce

SZA is trash

monie802 2 yıl önce

Ok, so I love Black Pumas and I think Eric Burton is incredibly talented. I'm so proud of them for getting the credit they deserve with that Grammy nom...... but I did not put together the math on release dates. That is SO shady and really puts a damper on their nomination for me. :/

Alex 10 aylar önce

thank you! it's such a pleasure to hear you and watch you narrate each video. your efforts are greatly appreciated, keep going! :)

amaja 2 yıl önce

great, well researched video. honestly i don’t think award shows can ever be totally relevant now. there’s far too much mingling of genres and too much good music across the world for it ever to be represented fairly.

My name is Aminé 2 yıl önce

Hope this goes viral so people can educate themselves, I’m tired of having the same arguments about the Grammys over and over.

asmaassya Yıl önce

Watching this video just made me more annoyed that the weeknd didn’t get nominated the music and artistry of after hours was so impactful!

Alex Jenner Yıl önce

6:25 also noteworthy is one of the albums beaten by Christopher Cross, was "The Wall", by Pink Floyd, who never won a Grammy for any of their albums. They did go on to win Best Rock Instrumental Performance for "Marooned" in 1995 (no I don't remember that one either), so they arguably did better than Bowie did in his lifetime.

Bryce Terry 2 yıl önce

love how everyone's starting to do the Adam Neely thing of answering the clickbait title with the thumbnail

Gabriela Borges Yıl önce

@King Jive chapters arent about /style/ dummy it helps keep track of where you left off in a video, especially the longer ones like this. sometimes you cant sit for 40min straight. Also, the thumbnail thing doesnt happen in every video its not that deep

King Jive 2 yıl önce

I don't love it. The style is similiar with the chapters as well. TRvidrs without a style on their own bore me

W Spann 2 yıl önce

VSauce has a similar technique of bizarre, seemingly unrelated thumbnails that make sense once you’ve seen the video

jo_b 2 yıl önce

Adam Neely: trendsetter

André V. Souza Aylar önce

With artists like bjork not having one... it really says everything, doesn't it?

RVS 1984 2 yıl önce

Always remember this, Madonna was ignored by the Grammy's from 1983 up to 1998. Even her most artsy, most personal, and her critically and commercially successful album Like a Prayer in 1989 never gets a nomination. Only in 1999 when Madonna was finally recognized by Grammy's. So the point here is that, you can be a very big superstar in the world, even without a Grammy.